[NAGDU] Treats VS. clicker training

[Miranda B.]

Hi Julie and all,
I am considering The Seeing Eye and Freedom Dogs. It is my understanding
(please do correct me if I am wrong) that The Seeing Eye uses clicker
training, and that Freedom Dogs uses treats and no clickers.
Thanks again to everyone for your continued patience in answering my many
questions, and have a wonderful week!

Best wishes, Miranda


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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Treats VS. clicker training

Miranda,

I'm not Tami, but I get what she's saying.  Some people use the words: 
treat training, clicker training or positive reinforcement to mean the same
thing.  In my mind there are differences, but there is significant overlap
in the way people use these terms. So to really answer your question super
accurately, we'd need more information.

Perhaps if you said witch schools you are looking at, graduates from there
could describe how they use treats or clicker etc.

Julie
http://guide-and-service-dogs.com

On 6/20/2017 10:18 AM, Miranda B. via NAGDU wrote:
> Hi Tami and all,
> Thanks for the great feedback thus far. I would like to clarify 
> something that may have been miscommunicated in my original message.
> When I speak of "treats versus clicker training", I am not referring 
> to one school's comparison. I'm wondering about the pros and cons of 
> each, as schools that I'm exploring use either one method or the 
> other, not both. So, one school uses treats, and another uses clicker 
> training. I'm trying to determine advantages and disadvantages of each 
> of these training methods as part of the criteria used to evaluate the
right school for me.
> Thanks again for your time and assistance, and I'm sorry for any
confusion!
>
> Best wishes, Miranda
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> via NAGDU
> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 10:48 AM
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> Cc: Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Treats VS. clicker training
>
> Miranda,
>
> Clicker training also involves treats. Some people give a treat with 
> every click. I use random treats with the clicker, once the dog 
> understands what the clicker means.
>
> So the clicker itself is a marker, to let the dog know it has 
> performed the desired behavior. The treat follows. The great thing 
> about the clicker is that it's closer to instantaneous than even a 
> verbal marker, so you can capture behavior in a pretty refined way. A 
> verbal marker would be "good dog" or whatever you teach the dog to 
> know as an indication it has done the right thing. Hope that makes sense.
>
> For guide work, I especially prefer being able to click (or praise, 
> sometimes both) without having to treat every time, so we can just 
> keep on going.
>
> I'm not sure that answers the question of what a given school means by 
> "clicker training" vs. treats for positive reinforcement. They may 
> mean the same thing but are just saying it differently.
>
> hth
>
> Tami
>
> On 06/20/2017 03:35 AM, Miranda via NAGDU wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>> As I research guide dog schools, I am wondering about the pros and 
>> cons of
> positive reinforcements with treats versus clicker training. Any 
> insight would be very much appreciated.
>> Thanks as always for your time and assistance, and have a wonderful week!
>>
>> Best wishes, Miranda
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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