[NAGDU] NAGDU Digest, Vol 144, Issue 8
Peter Wolf
pwolf1 at wolfskills.com
Tue Mar 7 18:36:28 UTC 2017
I’m sorry to hear of this. Respectfully, calling CPS is appropriate for issues like domestic violence, child abuse, sexual predatation, and similar, *very* serious violations. The can take someone’s children away. And they should if that kind of gross harmful behavior is happening. But calling CPS for dog distraction is like burning someone’s house down when you really could have just called to ask them to return your borrowed lawn mower sooner.
If you have a cordless phone, carry it, or your cell. While it is happening, call the police. Be clear but urgent. They will try to grill you for details, explanations of what is going on, and may even ask if there is a "history of dispute” with someone. Keep your feet on the ground. Be short and concise. Tell them you are blind, that you are being harrassed, and that you fear physical harm - please come now and help me. If they need more, state that a group of children is aggressively taunting and interfering with the function of your guide dog, and your ability to navigate. When they arrive, if you need to, tell the police what you fear physically, and that it is disabling your ability to function - that you are aware it is illegal under federal law and you need enforcement now. If you are having difficulty exiting, moving or returning home, tell them so, and ask them to respond immediately and help you. Don’t threaten anyone. If you need cops, just immediately dial them. But before you do any of that, talk again to the manager now, tell them how serious this is, and find the parents. Yes, have someone interpret if needed. Good idea you guys.
If that doesn’t work, send a letter to the manager, tell them what the problem is, and how to resolve it unless they have a better idea to fix it. Leave personal feelings and drama out, except your fear physical harm which is based in concrete reality - colliding with metal staircases and other features that you are trained to avoid without harassment. Send it by certified or registered mail, return receipt, and keep a copy. You are writing the letter for a judge’s eyes, not the recipient. Be factual and clear, and very brief. Tell them exactly what has happened, when (how many times), its consequence to you, and exactly what you need to happen. You don’t have to be congenial, but be the good person you are, and not a victim. Imagine the best, most to the heart and most direct thing that could be said to you if you didn’t know or didn’t understand what was happening to someone else from your kids. Be business-like, but do communicate the human seriousness of it.
If that doesn’t work, and you can’t afford three hundred bucks for lawyer to write a letter for you, go to your county legal aid clinic, and get a referral for the best service who has attorneys that will do it. They exist in most counties, and do low fee or pro bono work to advocate things like this. A letter from an attorney to a manager, with a copy to the owner(s) of the complex can scare the hell out of someone, and get them to take needed action. That may be all you need. Don’t get consumed with this business; I know it can be like that from my own experience. Just hit it today, 1-2-3, and dismiss it off your plate. It will be personally empowering as well as going for right action.
Best of luck. -Peter
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> 2. Re: New TSA screening (Becky Frankeberger)
> 3. Re: New TSA screening (Jordan Gallacher)
> 4. Re: New TSA screening (Cindy Ray)
> 5. dogs sense anxiety (Abby Bolling)
> 6. Re: need suggestions re kids without supervision in my
> apartment complex (Abby Bolling)
> 7. Belto dog distractions update (Jordan Gallacher)
> 8. Re: Belto dog distractions update (S L Johnson)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 10:26:18 -0500
> From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] need suggestions re kids without supervision in
> my apartment complex
> Message-ID: <169F2E916D6A432882D1AB3A88043351 at SLJohnson>
>
> Hello:
>
> I had a similar problem in my previous complex. I spoke to the manager and
> she made sure to speak to the parents. Most apartment complexes have rules
> about unattended children. Reporting it to the management can help to get
> the parents to understand how important it is for their children to leave
> your dog alone. If the children speak a foreign language it is possible the
> parents do not understand English. I had this and found ot from the manager
> that we had many families from several countries in the complex and many of
> the parents did not understand or speak any English so depended on their
> children who learned some English at school to interpret for them. if
> necessary see if the manager will get an interpreter to meet with them to be
> sure they understand the situation. In many foreign countries there are no
> guide dogs around so those families would not have any idea of how to act
> around a person walking with a guide dog. They would not know the
> significance of the guide dog harness. I also had my manager put a notice
> in the monthly newsletter. In that notice I made it clear that when I was
> walking with my dog she should not be bothered by children or adults and
> that people should keep their pet dogs under control and not let them
> distract her. These suggestions did help so I hope they help you too. Good
> luck.
>
> Sandra and Eva
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Star Gazer via NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2017 5:21 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Star Gazer
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] need suggestions re kids without supervision in my
> apartment complex
>
> Why would you assume they are in a fenced area? They may be, they may not
> be, but either way they shouldn't be out alone, and most jurisdictions have
> rules against such behavior.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Sunday, March 5, 2017 8:28 PM
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> Cc: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] need suggestions re kids without supervision in my
> apartment complex
>
> Of course they are in a fenced area. I should think they would care though.
> They do sound to be very young.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
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>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Cc: Star Gazer <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] need suggestions re kids without supervision in my
> apartment complex
>
> It sounds like the kids are very young, maybe preschool age? That's too
> young in most jurisdictions to be playing without an adult present,
> especially in a common area. The police would want to know about that. If
> she starts in about how "the neighborhood kids are distracting my dog", it
> will come off as someone who's dog isn't well-trained. She may even give the
> impression that "the neighborhood kids" are older then they really are. Law
> enforcement won't much care about older kids unless property is destroyed or
> a human gets hurt. They will care very much about young children.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Sunday, March 5, 2017 3:05 PM
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> Cc: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] need suggestions re kids without supervision in my
> apartment complex
>
> Rebecca, I am wondering why you would leave the dog issue out of it? Why do
> you think it might be more effective to do that.
> I have sort of mixed feelings about it myself.
>
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
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>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Sunday, March 5, 2017 12:31 PM
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> Cc: Star Gazer <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] need suggestions re kids without supervision in my
> apartment complex
>
> How young are these kids? I'd call CPS if they are too young to play alone
> and tell them when to come by and observe. Sounds harsh, I know, but that's
> how I'd handle it. I'd leave the dog issue out of it, just say that they
> appear to be unsupervised, that this happens every day and you'd like them
> to check it out. You could also try local law enforcement, again, I'd leave
> the dog issue out of it.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha Dudley via
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> Sent: Friday, March 3, 2017 6:58 PM
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> Cc: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [NAGDU] need suggestions re kids without supervision in my
> apartment complex
>
> Hey all,
> I have an interesting situation in my apartment complex that I would like
> your thoughts about.
> All the apartments in this building face a central grass courtyard. Every
> day, someone allows their two very small, non-English speaking children to
> run and play in that yard without direct supervision. If I am outside with
> my dog, these kids come racing over, and start distracting my dog. They
> stare at her, squeal, run around us, stick their hands out and then run
> away, and otherwise taunt her. I have tried on various occasions to ask them
> to stop, shake my head, etc, but nothing has worked. Itâ?Ts been bad enough
> at times that I literally canâ?Tt do anything without these kids following
> us and distracting Whitley. Unfortunately, i cannot easily unlock my door
> with them around, because Whitley is always trying to watch them to see what
> they are doing. I know that I could and should do some more work with
> Whitley on child distractions, but I feel like some of this is not her
> fault. Staring is competitive and playful body language to a dog, and, in
> that situation, she canâ?Tt help but react. Also, I feel like these kids are
> interfering with her work and could well get us hurt, especially since there
> are big, wrought iron staircases on the outside of the building that just
> out over the edge of the sidewalk and could do some serious damage to my
> head if Whitley was not paying attention. Do any of you have any thoughts? I
> have called my landlord once, but the had no success.
> Thanks,
> Aleeha
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 09:59:27 -0800
> From: "Becky Frankeberger" <b.butterfly at comcast.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] New TSA screening
> Message-ID: <00a101d296a3$6626cc20$32746460$@comcast.net>
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>
> Marion, will our guide dogs get a more invasive screening also?
>
> Becky and a snoring Tomasso
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Becky
> Frankeberger via NAGDU
> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2017 12:38 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Becky Frankeberger <b.butterfly at comcast.net>
> Subject: [NAGDU] New TSA screening
>
> Bloomberg article published in today's online version of the "Seattle
> Times."
>
> While few have noticed, U.S. airport security workers long had the option of
> using five different types of physical pat-downs for the screening line.
> Those have been eliminated, replaced instead with one universal approach.
> This time, you will notice.
>
> The new touching - for those selected to have a pat-down - will be more
> invasive in what the federal agency describes as a more "comprehensive"
> physical screening, according to a Transportation Security Administration
> (TSA) spokesman.
>
>
>
> Denver International Airport, for example, notified employees and flight
> crews Thursday that the "more rigorous" searches "will be more thorough and
> may involve an officer making more intimate contact than before."
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "I would say people who in the past would have gotten a pat-down that
> wasn't involved will notice that the [new] pat-down is more involved," TSA
> spokesman Bruce Anderson said Friday. The shift from the previous,
> risk-based assessment about which pat-down procedure an officer should use
> was phased in over the past two weeks after tests at smaller airports, he
> said.
>
>
>
>
> The TSA screens about 2 million people daily at U.S. airports. The agency
> doesn't track how many passengers are subject to pat-down searches after
> they pass through an imaging scanner. People who decline to use this
> screening technology are automatically subject to physical searches.
>
> While passengers may find the process more intrusive than before, the new
> procedure isn't expected to increase overall airport-security delays.
> However, "for the person who gets the pat-down, it will slow them down,"
> Anderson said.
>
> The change is partly the result of the agency's study of a 2015 report that
> criticized aspects of TSA screening procedures. That audit, by the
> Department of Homeland Security's Inspector General, drew headlines because
> airport officers had failed to detect handguns and other weapons. Another
> change prompted by the report was the TSA decision to end its "managed
> inclusion" program by which some everyday travelers were allowed to use
> PreCheck lanes to speed things up at peak times.
>
>
> Physical screening has long been one of the traveling public's strongest
> dislikes related to airport-security protocols. The TSA conducts all
> pat-downs with an officer of the same sex, and allows for a passenger to
> request a private area for the screening and to have a witness. Likewise,
> the traveler can request that the pat-down occur in public view.
>
> The new policy also applies to airline pilots and flight attendants,
> classified as "known crew members," who generally receive less scrutiny at
> checkpoints. The TSA conducts random searches of these employees, and
> airlines this week had inquired about whether their employees would be
> subject to more frequent pat-downs. The number of random searches for
> airline crews isn't changing, Anderson said, although airport employees may
> face more random checks.
>
> "Sometimes it's random, sometimes they're consistent based on the door you
> enter," he said of the searches of workers with airport ID badges.
> "Sometimes those measures call for a pat-down."
>
>
>
>
> In their notice, Denver airport officials said employees are subject to
> search at random locations. "If a pat down is required as part of the
> operation, badged employees will be required to comply with a TSA officer's
> request to conduct a full body pat down."
>
>
> In December, a CNN political commentator, Angela Rye, posted an article
> online describing her "humiliation" during a TSA agent's search. Rye wrote
> in graphic detail about the pat-down of her genitals during a search at the
> Detroit Metro Airport before a flight to New York.
>
> TSA officials didn't immediately address whether the new universal pat-down
> protocol will mandate touching of passenger genitals.
>
>
> Becky Frankeberger
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 12:50:06 -0600
> From: "Jordan Gallacher" <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] New TSA screening
> Message-ID: <049b01d296aa$7998f600$6ccae200$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I might have missed it, but when does this take effect? I was appauled to
> be honest a few weeks ago when TSA totally missed the weapon I usually carry
> when I discovered that I had not removed it from the pouch I carry it in
> along with my phone and had not put it in my checked luggage. To keep this
> on topic for this list, I did not notice any differences between the way
> Belto would be patted down from before. At least I solved one problem I was
> having where they kept wanting me to remove the harness and/or wanted me to
> give them the dog, both of which were not happening.
> Jordan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Becky
> Frankeberger via NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 11:59 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Becky Frankeberger
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] New TSA screening
>
> Marion, will our guide dogs get a more invasive screening also?
>
> Becky and a snoring Tomasso
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Becky
> Frankeberger via NAGDU
> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2017 12:38 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Becky Frankeberger <b.butterfly at comcast.net>
> Subject: [NAGDU] New TSA screening
>
> Bloomberg article published in today's online version of the "Seattle
> Times."
>
> While few have noticed, U.S. airport security workers long had the option of
> using five different types of physical pat-downs for the screening line.
> Those have been eliminated, replaced instead with one universal approach.
> This time, you will notice.
>
> The new touching - for those selected to have a pat-down - will be more
> invasive in what the federal agency describes as a more "comprehensive"
> physical screening, according to a Transportation Security Administration
> (TSA) spokesman.
>
>
>
> Denver International Airport, for example, notified employees and flight
> crews Thursday that the "more rigorous" searches "will be more thorough and
> may involve an officer making more intimate contact than before."
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "I would say people who in the past would have gotten a pat-down that
> wasn't involved will notice that the [new] pat-down is more involved," TSA
> spokesman Bruce Anderson said Friday. The shift from the previous,
> risk-based assessment about which pat-down procedure an officer should use
> was phased in over the past two weeks after tests at smaller airports, he
> said.
>
>
>
>
> The TSA screens about 2 million people daily at U.S. airports. The agency
> doesn't track how many passengers are subject to pat-down searches after
> they pass through an imaging scanner. People who decline to use this
> screening technology are automatically subject to physical searches.
>
> While passengers may find the process more intrusive than before, the new
> procedure isn't expected to increase overall airport-security delays.
> However, "for the person who gets the pat-down, it will slow them down,"
> Anderson said.
>
> The change is partly the result of the agency's study of a 2015 report that
> criticized aspects of TSA screening procedures. That audit, by the
> Department of Homeland Security's Inspector General, drew headlines because
> airport officers had failed to detect handguns and other weapons. Another
> change prompted by the report was the TSA decision to end its "managed
> inclusion" program by which some everyday travelers were allowed to use
> PreCheck lanes to speed things up at peak times.
>
>
> Physical screening has long been one of the traveling public's strongest
> dislikes related to airport-security protocols. The TSA conducts all
> pat-downs with an officer of the same sex, and allows for a passenger to
> request a private area for the screening and to have a witness. Likewise,
> the traveler can request that the pat-down occur in public view.
>
> The new policy also applies to airline pilots and flight attendants,
> classified as "known crew members," who generally receive less scrutiny at
> checkpoints. The TSA conducts random searches of these employees, and
> airlines this week had inquired about whether their employees would be
> subject to more frequent pat-downs. The number of random searches for
> airline crews isn't changing, Anderson said, although airport employees may
> face more random checks.
>
> "Sometimes it's random, sometimes they're consistent based on the door you
> enter," he said of the searches of workers with airport ID badges.
> "Sometimes those measures call for a pat-down."
>
>
>
>
> In their notice, Denver airport officials said employees are subject to
> search at random locations. "If a pat down is required as part of the
> operation, badged employees will be required to comply with a TSA officer's
> request to conduct a full body pat down."
>
>
> In December, a CNN political commentator, Angela Rye, posted an article
> online describing her "humiliation" during a TSA agent's search. Rye wrote
> in graphic detail about the pat-down of her genitals during a search at the
> Detroit Metro Airport before a flight to New York.
>
> TSA officials didn't immediately address whether the new universal pat-down
> protocol will mandate touching of passenger genitals.
>
>
> Becky Frankeberger
> Butterfly Knitting
> - Ponchos
> - Afghans
> - Shawls
> - Custom Knitting
> 360-426-8389
> becky at butterflyKnitting.com
>
> www.butterflyknitting.com
>
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 13:11:00 -0600
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] New TSA screening
> Message-ID: <014a01d296ad$6510e3c0$2f32ab40$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Well, a few weeks ago this wasn't an issue. The reason for the change has to
> do with hidden weapons partly. As for the difference in how they pat down
> your dog, I'm wondering about it a bit, too. I think it is being phased in,
> but I don't know for sure.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jordan Gallacher
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 12:50 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Jordan Gallacher <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] New TSA screening
>
> I might have missed it, but when does this take effect? I was appauled to
> be honest a few weeks ago when TSA totally missed the weapon I usually carry
> when I discovered that I had not removed it from the pouch I carry it in
> along with my phone and had not put it in my checked luggage. To keep this
> on topic for this list, I did not notice any differences between the way
> Belto would be patted down from before. At least I solved one problem I was
> having where they kept wanting me to remove the harness and/or wanted me to
> give them the dog, both of which were not happening.
> Jordan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Becky
> Frankeberger via NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 11:59 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Becky Frankeberger
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] New TSA screening
>
> Marion, will our guide dogs get a more invasive screening also?
>
> Becky and a snoring Tomasso
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> Cc: Becky Frankeberger <b.butterfly at comcast.net>
> Subject: [NAGDU] New TSA screening
>
> Bloomberg article published in today's online version of the "Seattle
> Times."
>
> While few have noticed, U.S. airport security workers long had the option of
> using five different types of physical pat-downs for the screening line.
> Those have been eliminated, replaced instead with one universal approach.
> This time, you will notice.
>
> The new touching - for those selected to have a pat-down - will be more
> invasive in what the federal agency describes as a more "comprehensive"
> physical screening, according to a Transportation Security Administration
> (TSA) spokesman.
>
>
>
> Denver International Airport, for example, notified employees and flight
> crews Thursday that the "more rigorous" searches "will be more thorough and
> may involve an officer making more intimate contact than before."
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "I would say people who in the past would have gotten a pat-down that
> wasn't involved will notice that the [new] pat-down is more involved," TSA
> spokesman Bruce Anderson said Friday. The shift from the previous,
> risk-based assessment about which pat-down procedure an officer should use
> was phased in over the past two weeks after tests at smaller airports, he
> said.
>
>
>
>
> The TSA screens about 2 million people daily at U.S. airports. The agency
> doesn't track how many passengers are subject to pat-down searches after
> they pass through an imaging scanner. People who decline to use this
> screening technology are automatically subject to physical searches.
>
> While passengers may find the process more intrusive than before, the new
> procedure isn't expected to increase overall airport-security delays.
> However, "for the person who gets the pat-down, it will slow them down,"
> Anderson said.
>
> The change is partly the result of the agency's study of a 2015 report that
> criticized aspects of TSA screening procedures. That audit, by the
> Department of Homeland Security's Inspector General, drew headlines because
> airport officers had failed to detect handguns and other weapons. Another
> change prompted by the report was the TSA decision to end its "managed
> inclusion" program by which some everyday travelers were allowed to use
> PreCheck lanes to speed things up at peak times.
>
>
> Physical screening has long been one of the traveling public's strongest
> dislikes related to airport-security protocols. The TSA conducts all
> pat-downs with an officer of the same sex, and allows for a passenger to
> request a private area for the screening and to have a witness. Likewise,
> the traveler can request that the pat-down occur in public view.
>
> The new policy also applies to airline pilots and flight attendants,
> classified as "known crew members," who generally receive less scrutiny at
> checkpoints. The TSA conducts random searches of these employees, and
> airlines this week had inquired about whether their employees would be
> subject to more frequent pat-downs. The number of random searches for
> airline crews isn't changing, Anderson said, although airport employees may
> face more random checks.
>
> "Sometimes it's random, sometimes they're consistent based on the door you
> enter," he said of the searches of workers with airport ID badges.
> "Sometimes those measures call for a pat-down."
>
>
>
>
> In their notice, Denver airport officials said employees are subject to
> search at random locations. "If a pat down is required as part of the
> operation, badged employees will be required to comply with a TSA officer's
> request to conduct a full body pat down."
>
>
> In December, a CNN political commentator, Angela Rye, posted an article
> online describing her "humiliation" during a TSA agent's search. Rye wrote
> in graphic detail about the pat-down of her genitals during a search at the
> Detroit Metro Airport before a flight to New York.
>
> TSA officials didn't immediately address whether the new universal pat-down
> protocol will mandate touching of passenger genitals.
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 15:16:45 -0500
> From: Abby Bolling <violingirl30794 at gmail.com>
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> Subject: [NAGDU] dogs sense anxiety
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> Hey yall!
>
> I'm wondering what some of you may do when your dog senses that you are
> anxious and starts doing the "You are upset, so I'm going to do all the
> cute to make you smile!"
>
> This usually isn't an issue, but sometimes Cricket does it in harness.
> Any suggestions?
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 16:18:57 -0500
> From: Abby Bolling <violingirl30794 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] need suggestions re kids without supervision in
> my apartment complex
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> do some treat training with her. when you hear the kids coming, practice
> either the touch or focus command to keep her attention on you.
>
> If you at least act like you are ignoring the kids, your dog should take
> the cue from you and ignore them too.
> Kids are hard for dogs because they are at the dog's nose level, and
> kids smell so interesting!
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Abby and Cricket, Strider and Ruby.
>
> On 3/6/2017 10:26 AM, S L Johnson via NAGDU wrote:
>> Hello:
>>
>> I had a similar problem in my previous complex. I spoke to the manager and
>> she made sure to speak to the parents. Most apartment complexes have rules
>> about unattended children. Reporting it to the management can help to get
>> the parents to understand how important it is for their children to leave
>> your dog alone. If the children speak a foreign language it is possible the
>> parents do not understand English. I had this and found ot from the manager
>> that we had many families from several countries in the complex and many of
>> the parents did not understand or speak any English so depended on their
>> children who learned some English at school to interpret for them. if
>> necessary see if the manager will get an interpreter to meet with them to be
>> sure they understand the situation. In many foreign countries there are no
>> guide dogs around so those families would not have any idea of how to act
>> around a person walking with a guide dog. They would not know the
>> significance of the guide dog harness. I also had my manager put a notice
>> in the monthly newsletter. In that notice I made it clear that when I was
>> walking with my dog she should not be bothered by children or adults and
>> that people should keep their pet dogs under control and not let them
>> distract her. These suggestions did help so I hope they help you too. Good
>> luck.
>>
>> Sandra and Eva
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Star Gazer via NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2017 5:21 AM
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>> Cc: Star Gazer
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] need suggestions re kids without supervision in my
>> apartment complex
>>
>> Why would you assume they are in a fenced area? They may be, they may not
>> be, but either way they shouldn't be out alone, and most jurisdictions have
>> rules against such behavior.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Sunday, March 5, 2017 8:28 PM
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>> Cc: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] need suggestions re kids without supervision in my
>> apartment complex
>>
>> Of course they are in a fenced area. I should think they would care though.
>> They do sound to be very young.
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> NAGDU
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>> Cc: Star Gazer <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] need suggestions re kids without supervision in my
>> apartment complex
>>
>> It sounds like the kids are very young, maybe preschool age? That's too
>> young in most jurisdictions to be playing without an adult present,
>> especially in a common area. The police would want to know about that. If
>> she starts in about how "the neighborhood kids are distracting my dog", it
>> will come off as someone who's dog isn't well-trained. She may even give the
>> impression that "the neighborhood kids" are older then they really are. Law
>> enforcement won't much care about older kids unless property is destroyed or
>> a human gets hurt. They will care very much about young children.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Sunday, March 5, 2017 3:05 PM
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>> Cc: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] need suggestions re kids without supervision in my
>> apartment complex
>>
>> Rebecca, I am wondering why you would leave the dog issue out of it? Why do
>> you think it might be more effective to do that.
>> I have sort of mixed feelings about it myself.
>>
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> NAGDU
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>> Cc: Star Gazer <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] need suggestions re kids without supervision in my
>> apartment complex
>>
>> How young are these kids? I'd call CPS if they are too young to play alone
>> and tell them when to come by and observe. Sounds harsh, I know, but that's
>> how I'd handle it. I'd leave the dog issue out of it, just say that they
>> appear to be unsupervised, that this happens every day and you'd like them
>> to check it out. You could also try local law enforcement, again, I'd leave
>> the dog issue out of it.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> Cc: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [NAGDU] need suggestions re kids without supervision in my
>> apartment complex
>>
>> Hey all,
>> I have an interesting situation in my apartment complex that I would like
>> your thoughts about.
>> All the apartments in this building face a central grass courtyard. Every
>> day, someone allows their two very small, non-English speaking children to
>> run and play in that yard without direct supervision. If I am outside with
>> my dog, these kids come racing over, and start distracting my dog. They
>> stare at her, squeal, run around us, stick their hands out and then run
>> away, and otherwise taunt her. I have tried on various occasions to ask them
>> to stop, shake my head, etc, but nothing has worked. It??Ts been bad enough
>> at times that I literally can??Tt do anything without these kids following
>> us and distracting Whitley. Unfortunately, i cannot easily unlock my door
>> with them around, because Whitley is always trying to watch them to see what
>> they are doing. I know that I could and should do some more work with
>> Whitley on child distractions, but I feel like some of this is not her
>> fault. Staring is competitive and playful body language to a dog, and, in
>> that situation, she can??Tt help but react. Also, I feel like these kids are
>> interfering with her work and could well get us hurt, especially since there
>> are big, wrought iron staircases on the outside of the building that just
>> out over the edge of the sidewalk and could do some serious damage to my
>> head if Whitley was not paying attention. Do any of you have any thoughts? I
>> have called my landlord once, but the had no success.
>> Thanks,
>> Aleeha
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 17:17:09 -0600
> From: "Jordan Gallacher" <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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> Subject: [NAGDU] Belto dog distractions update
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> It looks like the prong collar was the trick. I usually have a big problem
> with Belto at the farmers market because of him really wanting to go after
> other dogs, but since using the pinch collar, he started to try to go after
> the dog that appeared, but one correction, and Belto could really careless,
> and while leaving, we walked right past that dog with no problems. Belto's
> overall work seems to be better as well, which makes me wonder what else he
> has been distracted by that I have not picked up on yet.
>
> Jordan
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 18:33:47 -0500
> From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Belto dog distractions update
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> Jordan:
>
> I am glad the pinch collar worked for you. It seems like things are much
> better. I hope your good luck continues.
>
> Sandra and Eva
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2017 6:17 PM
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> Cc: Jordan Gallacher
> Subject: [NAGDU] Belto dog distractions update
>
> It looks like the prong collar was the trick. I usually have a big problem
> with Belto at the farmers market because of him really wanting to go after
> other dogs, but since using the pinch collar, he started to try to go after
> the dog that appeared, but one correction, and Belto could really careless,
> and while leaving, we walked right past that dog with no problems. Belto's
> overall work seems to be better as well, which makes me wonder what else he
> has been distracted by that I have not picked up on yet.
>
> Jordan
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