[NAGDU] NAGDU Digest, Vol 146, Issue 34
Mardi Hadfield
wolfsinger.lakota at gmail.com
Mon May 29 23:04:32 UTC 2017
Hi guys, Mardi here. I trained Sedona to pick up my keys as I tend to drop
them often,because I have nuropathy in my hands. I started when I would
catch her chewing on something inappropriate as a young puppy, by taking
that away and saying "give" and then I gave her a toy or a treat that she
could chew. I then played catch with her and when I would throw the ball,
kong or other toy that she wanted to play with,I would say "bring it" and
she always wanted me to throw it again so she associated the words with me
throwing it again if she brought it back to me. I used the word "give" for
her to release it into my hand and she got it pretty fast. I began throwing
the toy closer and closer to me and she would pick it up and bring it to me
and give it to me. Next, I used my keys instead of a toy and tossed them
about 3 or 4 feet away from me and she would pick them up and bring them to
me. I put a piece of leather on the key ring as dogs don't like the feel
of metal in their mouth. I then began tossing it closer to me,until I just
dropped them by my foot. I would give the commands to bring it and give and
she did. I can only do this about 3 times in a row,as she will only bring
them to me a certain amount of times. I guess she thinks that I should not
be that clumsy that many times in a row.. When we practice doing this, I
will only drop the keys twice so she will bring them to me and give them to
me every time. It is hard for me to bend down from a wheelchair as my back
hurts when I do it so this is very helpful. I have not taught her to pick
up any thing but her toy or my keys. She does it every time I ask her to.
I do not want her to pick up random things ,so I only ask for those 2
items. Lily was also good at picking things up for me, but she learned many
more things than just my keys. Both Lily and Sedona were puppies when I
taught them this. My other guides were not young puppies when I got them.
Shaman was 10 months and I tried to teach him but he decided he did not
want to do it. Both Nala and Neechee refused to learn to pick up any
thing. They were both,one and a half years old, when I got them. I do
agree that guiding is the most important thing and I was more disabled when
I had Lily than I was when I had the others. I am back in my wheelchair
almost full time now so it is help full to me now for my dog to at least
pick up the keys for me. Hope this is not to confusing. Mardi and
Shaman,retired and Neechee, GD and Sedona,GDI.
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> 1. Re: OFF NAGDU List ownership (Becky Frankeberger)
> 2. Re: Finding Dropped Items (Rachel Grider)
> 3. Re: Finding Dropped Items (Cindy Ray)
> 4. Re: Finding Dropped Items (Rachel Grider)
> 5. Re: Finding Dropped Items (Cindy Ray)
> 6. Re: Finding Dropped Items (Wayne & Harley)
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> Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 06:45:00 -0700
> From: "Becky Frankeberger" <b.butterfly at comcast.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] OFF NAGDU List ownership
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> To add a bit to Lyn's fine post, or the handler could voluntarily give up
> the dog. Now whether they care to admit they gave up ownership is another
> thing to look into.
>
> Warmly, Becky and the sweetest Jake
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of L Gwizdak via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 5:59 PM
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> Cc: L Gwizdak <leg1950 at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] OFF NAGDU List ownership
>
> Hi folks,
> I have had dogs from Seeing Eye for many years now and have never heard of
> any dog being repossessed by TSE. When you leave the school, your
> ownership
> begins as we have no contracts or graduations. Once at home, the only way
> TSE can have a dog removed from a graduate is through the person's home
> Humane Society or Animal Control. The issue is taken care of just like it
> is for any dog owner.
>
> Lyn and Aristotle
> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is like
> asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
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> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
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> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 12:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] OFF NAGDU List ownership
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>
> > Brenda,
> >
> > Since the incident you mention was hearsay, it is very difficult to
> > make a comment. I think that any repossession by TSE would be either
> > very improbable or a very serious issue. Whichever it is, I believe
> > there is much more to the story.
> >
> > Fraternally yours,
> > Marion
> >
> > Marion Gwizdala, President
> > National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU) National
> > Federation of the Blind
> > (813) 626-2789
> > President at NAGDU.ORG
> >
> >
> > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> > characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
> > expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind
> > people and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is
> > not what holds you back.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brenda via
> > NAGDU
> > Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 10:15 PM
> > To: The Pawpower Pack via NAGDU
> > Cc: Brenda
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] OFF NAGDU List ownership
> >
> > Hey Rox,
> >
> > No, someone told me there were situations at TSE a few years ago.
> > brenda
> >
> > On 5/19/2017 10:09 PM, The Pawpower Pack via NAGDU wrote:
> >> Hey Jeff,
> >> I think she was referring to South Eastern as se.
> >>
> >> Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
> >> Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
> >> Pawpower4me at gmail.com
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On May 19, 2017, at 9:02 PM, Jeffrey Young via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >
> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Brenda,
> >>> Your message intended for Marian went to the entire list. Just letting
> > you know.
> >>> I would however, like to hear of a TSE handlers dog being repossessed,
> >>> as
> > TSE grants unconditional ownership upon graduation. Therefore, such an
> > action would constitute theft under the law, and the handler would have
> > legal recourse, which is not the case when a school does not grant
> > ownership.
> >>>
> >>> Jeff Young
> >>>
> >>>> On May 19, 2017, at 8:21 PM, Brenda via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Marion,
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm writing off list.
> >>>>
> >>>> In a perfect world all guide dog schools would give instant ownership.
> > Because I'm not impressed with the schools that do, and those I am
> > interested in do not, I am willing to make compromises. Also, I have
> heard
> > from someone who had their TSE guide removed and TSE gives full ownership
> > so
> > it would appear even with full ownership there could be issues.
> >>>>
> >>>> I respect and agree with you about ownership, but practical
> application
> > wins out for me. The benefits will have to outweigh the risks as it were.
> >>>>
> >>>> I do respect your opinion so am sharing my comments and questions with
> > you.
> >>>>
> >>>> Southeastern has in addition to the 11-yr retirement rule, a provision
> > where they can reclaim the dog before 5 years if the team isn't working.
> > I
> > realize there is an expense to train a dog, but it is one more trauma for
> > a
> > handler who may have a situation where they can no longer work - if they
> > had
> > full ownership, this would not happen. I think they also have some other
> > stipulations regarding ownership. My friend who has a guide from
> > Southeastern said they have had incidents where they felt it necessary to
> > make these provisions.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am curious if you could tell me if you have ever run across a recent
> > situation where a handler from Guiding Eyes for the Blind had their dog
> > removed? If so, can you give me a summary of what happened? I can ask
> > GEB,
> > but I am interested in an outside source such as yourself.
> >>>>
> >>>> I have not made a final decision, and appreciate your input.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sincerely,
> >>>> Brenda
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 11:52:33 -0700
> From: Rachel Grider <rachel.grider at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Finding Dropped Items
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> Thank you for this information! I started this a couple days ago using
> sort of a mixture between the two methods described. Demi picked it up
> very quickly. She has mastered putting her paw on a dropped item both
> in and out of harness. when working in harness, I would drop an object
> like my phone or credit card, then would drop the harness and say
> "find it," and Demi would put her paw on the item. We have only done
> this for practice at home so far.
>
> I am wondering, though, for those of you who actually have your dogs
> pick up items, how one would train a dog to pick something up on
> command? Demi will fetch, but that is only with her toys, and it seems
> like using clicker to teach a dog to pick up an object would be
> counterproductive because the dog expects a treat at the sound of the
> clicker. Does anyone have insight on this? I don't know if I even want
> to train Demi to pick up items; I definitely wouldn't want her doing
> it in harness, but it could be a useful skill to have for certain
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> On 5/23/17, Julie Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > I taught this a bit different, basically just shaping natural
> > tendencies. I noticed that my dog would immediately go to something
> > out of place or new that he hadn't noticed before. I paired this
> > natural behavior with a phrase. I use, "find it". Then give praise
> > when he went to it. My dog does a nose target, which I found to work
> > just fine and so I continue to use that. He does not pick up random
> > objects, so that was not a worry for me.
> >
> > Later I set up situations with objects that I had placed in a known
> > location and then called him to find it. I used a lot of verbal
> > encouragement and praise. When he found the thing he got more praise,
> > pats and acknowledgement. I don't remember using clicker and treats to
> > teach this, but I may have at some point. I did try to teach a retrieve
> > at some point, but gave up because he absolutely refused to pick up
> > anything that he didn't recognize as his. We had a lot of problems when
> > he was a puppy with chewing up stuff, so I spent a lot of time teaching
> > him to only chew on his things. I guess he took that to heart. Of
> > course every dog is different and it is quite possible that with more
> > time I could have taught him a retrieve. Finding things on the floor
> > was really what I needed so I stopped with just locating objects.
> >
> > I think Danielle's method would work also. is a lot more
> > methodical and systematic. I do try to have training plans and teach
> > things step by step, but then life happens and we end up using the fly
> > by the seat of your pants method.
> >
> > Oh, I should add the find it is something that I only use at home or in
> > a hotel room, out of harness and off leash. Monty will not find objects
> > on the floor when working in harness.
> >
> > Good luck!
> > Julie
> > http://www.guide-and-service-dogs.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5/22/2017 7:38 PM, Danielle Sykora via NAGDU wrote:
> >> I taught my dog how to find dropped items, by putting his paw on or
> >> near the object. Here's the outline of how I taught this, using the
> >> clicker.
> >>
> >> 1: Start with one object (I think I used an index card or some kind of
> >> paper/cardboard). Hold it in your hand, show it to the dog, and click
> >> and treat when the dog paws it. My dog tried nosing the object,
> >> mouthing it, and barking in frustration before he finally got it.
> >> 2: Once your dog paws the object reliably, put the command to it, (I
> >> used "get it"). Make sure the dog reliably paws the object when you
> >> give the command.
> >> 3: Drop the object right in front of the dog from just a few inches
> >> off the ground. Tell the dog "get it", and click and treat for pawing
> >> the object.
> >> 4: Drop the object from higher off the ground, but still in front of the
> >> dog.
> >> 5: start dropping the object progressively further away from the dog.
> >> 6: Temporarily pair the "get it" and "stay" commands. This way, the
> >> dog will paw the object and then stay there until you come over to
> >> pick it up. Release the dog from the stay only after you pick up the
> >> object. Eventually, you can drop "stay" and just say "get it".
> >> 7: Start practicing with a variety of different items.
> >>
> >> **In the initial stages, make sure to use something that is easy to
> >> hear when your dog's paw makes contact with it.
> >>
> >> Danielle and Thai
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5/22/17, Rachel Grider via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>> Hello, All:
> >>>
> >>> Awhile ago, there was a discussion about teaching dogs to fetch, and
> >>> someone on this list (I don't remember who) talked about teaching a
> >>> guide dog how to find dropped items--not necessarily how to pick them
> >>> up, but just to find them by touching the item. I would like to learn
> >>> more about training my guide dog to do that. Does anyone have
> >>> information about this?
> >>>
> >>> Thank you!
> >>>
> >>> Rachel
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> Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 14:29:06 -0500
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
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> When I say this, it is not meant as a criticism of what
> people do. I had a black lab, my second dog, who was just a masterful
> fetcher, and she would pick things up and drop them in my hand. Once she
> even took a cookie off a tray and I put my hand under her chin and said
> "out", and the cookie dropped into my hand. She was the only dog I had who
> would do this. I was disappointed that more of my dogs didn't fetch or find
> things. And oh yes, if she was playing with a toy and it went where she
> couldn't quite find it, she would go as close as she could and put her nose
> in the vicinity and whine. I think that was her anyway, though it could
> have
> been Spencer. Anyway, thing is, the dog is a guide. That is its primary
> purpose. I personally decided that having it do the fetching and finding
> things was nice but full unnecessary. Please remember that I appreciate why
> people want it, and I would be proud if I had a dog that did it, but it
> isn't important to me. The one thing that would be just too cool about it
> would be that I could say I trained the dog to do it.
>
> Cindy Lou Ray, Moderator
> cindyray at gmail.com
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> Cc: Rachel Grider <rachel.grider at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Finding Dropped Items
>
> Thank you for this information! I started this a couple days ago using sort
> of a mixture between the two methods described. Demi picked it up very
> quickly. She has mastered putting her paw on a dropped item both in and out
> of harness. when working in harness, I would drop an object like my phone
> or
> credit card, then would drop the harness and say "find it," and Demi would
> put her paw on the item. We have only done this for practice at home so
> far.
>
> I am wondering, though, for those of you who actually have your dogs pick
> up
> items, how one would train a dog to pick something up on command? Demi will
> fetch, but that is only with her toys, and it seems like using clicker to
> teach a dog to pick up an object would be counterproductive because the dog
> expects a treat at the sound of the clicker. Does anyone have insight on
> this? I don't know if I even want to train Demi to pick up items; I
> definitely wouldn't want her doing it in harness, but it could be a useful
> skill to have for certain situations when off leash at home or in a hotel
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> On 5/23/17, Julie Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > I taught this a bit different, basically just shaping natural
> > tendencies. I noticed that my dog would immediately go to something
> > out of place or new that he hadn't noticed before. I paired this
> > natural behavior with a phrase. I use, "find it". Then give praise
> > when he went to it. My dog does a nose target, which I found to work
> > just fine and so I continue to use that. He does not pick up random
> > objects, so that was not a worry for me.
> >
> > Later I set up situations with objects that I had placed in a known
> > location and then called him to find it. I used a lot of verbal
> > encouragement and praise. When he found the thing he got more praise,
> > pats and acknowledgement. I don't remember using clicker and treats
> > to teach this, but I may have at some point. I did try to teach a
> > retrieve at some point, but gave up because he absolutely refused to
> > pick up anything that he didn't recognize as his. We had a lot of
> > problems when he was a puppy with chewing up stuff, so I spent a lot
> > of time teaching him to only chew on his things. I guess he took that
> > to heart. Of course every dog is different and it is quite possible
> > that with more time I could have taught him a retrieve. Finding
> > things on the floor was really what I needed so I stopped with just
> locating objects.
> >
> > I think Danielle's method would work also. is a lot more
> > methodical and systematic. I do try to have training plans and teach
> > things step by step, but then life happens and we end up using the fly
> > by the seat of your pants method.
> >
> > Oh, I should add the find it is something that I only use at home or
> > in a hotel room, out of harness and off leash. Monty will not find
> > objects on the floor when working in harness.
> >
> > Good luck!
> > Julie
> > http://www.guide-and-service-dogs.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5/22/2017 7:38 PM, Danielle Sykora via NAGDU wrote:
> >> I taught my dog how to find dropped items, by putting his paw on or
> >> near the object. Here's the outline of how I taught this, using the
> >> clicker.
> >>
> >> 1: Start with one object (I think I used an index card or some kind
> >> of paper/cardboard). Hold it in your hand, show it to the dog, and
> >> click and treat when the dog paws it. My dog tried nosing the object,
> >> mouthing it, and barking in frustration before he finally got it.
> >> 2: Once your dog paws the object reliably, put the command to it, (I
> >> used "get it"). Make sure the dog reliably paws the object when you
> >> give the command.
> >> 3: Drop the object right in front of the dog from just a few inches
> >> off the ground. Tell the dog "get it", and click and treat for pawing
> >> the object.
> >> 4: Drop the object from higher off the ground, but still in front of
> >> the dog.
> >> 5: start dropping the object progressively further away from the dog.
> >> 6: Temporarily pair the "get it" and "stay" commands. This way, the
> >> dog will paw the object and then stay there until you come over to
> >> pick it up. Release the dog from the stay only after you pick up the
> >> object. Eventually, you can drop "stay" and just say "get it".
> >> 7: Start practicing with a variety of different items.
> >>
> >> **In the initial stages, make sure to use something that is easy to
> >> hear when your dog's paw makes contact with it.
> >>
> >> Danielle and Thai
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5/22/17, Rachel Grider via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>> Hello, All:
> >>>
> >>> Awhile ago, there was a discussion about teaching dogs to fetch, and
> >>> someone on this list (I don't remember who) talked about teaching a
> >>> guide dog how to find dropped items--not necessarily how to pick
> >>> them up, but just to find them by touching the item. I would like to
> >>> learn more about training my guide dog to do that. Does anyone have
> >>> information about this?
> >>>
> >>> Thank you!
> >>>
> >>> Rachel
> >>>
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> Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 12:45:32 -0700
> From: Rachel Grider <rachel.grider at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Finding Dropped Items
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> That is a great point, Cindy. That is the reason that I will probably
> not be doing it with Demi--it isn't really necessary for my needs and
> would end up being more of a novelty trick. The reason I am
> considering it is because--and for those of you who have insight on
> this, please correct me if I'm wrong--I would really like to
> eventually teach Demi to put away her toys, and I am pretty sure that
> teaching this starts with the dog being able to pick something up on
> command. At this point, I can say something like "Go get your (insert
> name of toy)," and she will usually do it, but if I have her toy in
> front of her and say the same, she won't take it because she doesn't
> understand why I would be asking her to get something that is
> literally right there in front of her. If I tell her to "Bring it to
> me," she will either bring it close and drop it or try and throw or
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> On 5/27/17, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > When I say this, it is not meant as a criticism of what
> > people do. I had a black lab, my second dog, who was just a masterful
> > fetcher, and she would pick things up and drop them in my hand. Once she
> > even took a cookie off a tray and I put my hand under her chin and said
> > "out", and the cookie dropped into my hand. She was the only dog I had
> who
> > would do this. I was disappointed that more of my dogs didn't fetch or
> find
> > things. And oh yes, if she was playing with a toy and it went where she
> > couldn't quite find it, she would go as close as she could and put her
> nose
> > in the vicinity and whine. I think that was her anyway, though it could
> > have
> > been Spencer. Anyway, thing is, the dog is a guide. That is its primary
> > purpose. I personally decided that having it do the fetching and finding
> > things was nice but full unnecessary. Please remember that I appreciate
> why
> > people want it, and I would be proud if I had a dog that did it, but it
> > isn't important to me. The one thing that would be just too cool about it
> > would be that I could say I trained the dog to do it.
> >
> > Cindy Lou Ray, Moderator
> > cindyray at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rachel Grider
> > via
> > NAGDU
> > Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 1:53 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Rachel Grider <rachel.grider at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Finding Dropped Items
> >
> > Thank you for this information! I started this a couple days ago using
> sort
> > of a mixture between the two methods described. Demi picked it up very
> > quickly. She has mastered putting her paw on a dropped item both in and
> out
> > of harness. when working in harness, I would drop an object like my phone
> > or
> > credit card, then would drop the harness and say "find it," and Demi
> would
> > put her paw on the item. We have only done this for practice at home so
> > far.
> >
> > I am wondering, though, for those of you who actually have your dogs pick
> > up
> > items, how one would train a dog to pick something up on command? Demi
> will
> > fetch, but that is only with her toys, and it seems like using clicker to
> > teach a dog to pick up an object would be counterproductive because the
> dog
> > expects a treat at the sound of the clicker. Does anyone have insight on
> > this? I don't know if I even want to train Demi to pick up items; I
> > definitely wouldn't want her doing it in harness, but it could be a
> useful
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> > On 5/23/17, Julie Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> I taught this a bit different, basically just shaping natural
> >> tendencies. I noticed that my dog would immediately go to something
> >> out of place or new that he hadn't noticed before. I paired this
> >> natural behavior with a phrase. I use, "find it". Then give praise
> >> when he went to it. My dog does a nose target, which I found to work
> >> just fine and so I continue to use that. He does not pick up random
> >> objects, so that was not a worry for me.
> >>
> >> Later I set up situations with objects that I had placed in a known
> >> location and then called him to find it. I used a lot of verbal
> >> encouragement and praise. When he found the thing he got more praise,
> >> pats and acknowledgement. I don't remember using clicker and treats
> >> to teach this, but I may have at some point. I did try to teach a
> >> retrieve at some point, but gave up because he absolutely refused to
> >> pick up anything that he didn't recognize as his. We had a lot of
> >> problems when he was a puppy with chewing up stuff, so I spent a lot
> >> of time teaching him to only chew on his things. I guess he took that
> >> to heart. Of course every dog is different and it is quite possible
> >> that with more time I could have taught him a retrieve. Finding
> >> things on the floor was really what I needed so I stopped with just
> > locating objects.
> >>
> >> I think Danielle's method would work also. is a lot more
> >> methodical and systematic. I do try to have training plans and teach
> >> things step by step, but then life happens and we end up using the fly
> >> by the seat of your pants method.
> >>
> >> Oh, I should add the find it is something that I only use at home or
> >> in a hotel room, out of harness and off leash. Monty will not find
> >> objects on the floor when working in harness.
> >>
> >> Good luck!
> >> Julie
> >> http://www.guide-and-service-dogs.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5/22/2017 7:38 PM, Danielle Sykora via NAGDU wrote:
> >>> I taught my dog how to find dropped items, by putting his paw on or
> >>> near the object. Here's the outline of how I taught this, using the
> >>> clicker.
> >>>
> >>> 1: Start with one object (I think I used an index card or some kind
> >>> of paper/cardboard). Hold it in your hand, show it to the dog, and
> >>> click and treat when the dog paws it. My dog tried nosing the object,
> >>> mouthing it, and barking in frustration before he finally got it.
> >>> 2: Once your dog paws the object reliably, put the command to it, (I
> >>> used "get it"). Make sure the dog reliably paws the object when you
> >>> give the command.
> >>> 3: Drop the object right in front of the dog from just a few inches
> >>> off the ground. Tell the dog "get it", and click and treat for pawing
> >>> the object.
> >>> 4: Drop the object from higher off the ground, but still in front of
> >>> the dog.
> >>> 5: start dropping the object progressively further away from the dog.
> >>> 6: Temporarily pair the "get it" and "stay" commands. This way, the
> >>> dog will paw the object and then stay there until you come over to
> >>> pick it up. Release the dog from the stay only after you pick up the
> >>> object. Eventually, you can drop "stay" and just say "get it".
> >>> 7: Start practicing with a variety of different items.
> >>>
> >>> **In the initial stages, make sure to use something that is easy to
> >>> hear when your dog's paw makes contact with it.
> >>>
> >>> Danielle and Thai
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 5/22/17, Rachel Grider via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>> Hello, All:
> >>>>
> >>>> Awhile ago, there was a discussion about teaching dogs to fetch, and
> >>>> someone on this list (I don't remember who) talked about teaching a
> >>>> guide dog how to find dropped items--not necessarily how to pick
> >>>> them up, but just to find them by touching the item. I would like to
> >>>> learn more about training my guide dog to do that. Does anyone have
> >>>> information about this?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you!
> >>>>
> >>>> Rachel
> >>>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 14:59:41 -0500
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Finding Dropped Items
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> I have heard of a few people doing this, but it is hard to get kids to do
> that. LOL. I think I would have been much happier if all of the dogs were
> putting toys away. My ex-husband had a dog who when it wanted to go out
> would go get the shoes that Chuck wore out into the yard, but I don't know
> if it was just a fluke or something it did naturally and on a regular
> basis.
> I don't think he trained that into him. On this one I am thinking it would
> be nice, but I might be too lazy to take it on. LOL. Let us know how it
> goes.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
>
>
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> Cc: Rachel Grider <rachel.grider at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Finding Dropped Items
>
> That is a great point, Cindy. That is the reason that I will probably not
> be
> doing it with Demi--it isn't really necessary for my needs and would end up
> being more of a novelty trick. The reason I am considering it is
> because--and for those of you who have insight on this, please correct me
> if
> I'm wrong--I would really like to eventually teach Demi to put away her
> toys, and I am pretty sure that teaching this starts with the dog being
> able
> to pick something up on command. At this point, I can say something like
> "Go
> get your (insert name of toy)," and she will usually do it, but if I have
> her toy in front of her and say the same, she won't take it because she
> doesn't understand why I would be asking her to get something that is
> literally right there in front of her. If I tell her to "Bring it to me,"
> she will either bring it close and drop it or try and throw or kick the
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> On 5/27/17, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > When I say this, it is not meant as a criticism of what
> people do. I
> > had a black lab, my second dog, who was just a masterful fetcher, and
> > she would pick things up and drop them in my hand. Once she even took
> > a cookie off a tray and I put my hand under her chin and said "out",
> > and the cookie dropped into my hand. She was the only dog I had who
> > would do this. I was disappointed that more of my dogs didn't fetch or
> > find things. And oh yes, if she was playing with a toy and it went
> > where she couldn't quite find it, she would go as close as she could
> > and put her nose in the vicinity and whine. I think that was her
> > anyway, though it could have been Spencer. Anyway, thing is, the dog
> > is a guide. That is its primary purpose. I personally decided that
> > having it do the fetching and finding things was nice but full
> > unnecessary. Please remember that I appreciate why people want it, and
> > I would be proud if I had a dog that did it, but it isn't important to
> > me. The one thing that would be just too cool about it would be that I
> > could say I trained the dog to do it.
> >
> > Cindy Lou Ray, Moderator
> > cindyray at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rachel
> > Grider via NAGDU
> > Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 1:53 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Rachel Grider <rachel.grider at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Finding Dropped Items
> >
> > Thank you for this information! I started this a couple days ago using
> > sort of a mixture between the two methods described. Demi picked it up
> > very quickly. She has mastered putting her paw on a dropped item both
> > in and out of harness. when working in harness, I would drop an object
> > like my phone or credit card, then would drop the harness and say
> > "find it," and Demi would put her paw on the item. We have only done
> > this for practice at home so far.
> >
> > I am wondering, though, for those of you who actually have your dogs
> > pick up items, how one would train a dog to pick something up on
> > command? Demi will fetch, but that is only with her toys, and it seems
> > like using clicker to teach a dog to pick up an object would be
> > counterproductive because the dog expects a treat at the sound of the
> > clicker. Does anyone have insight on this? I don't know if I even want
> > to train Demi to pick up items; I definitely wouldn't want her doing
> > it in harness, but it could be a useful skill to have for certain
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> >> I taught this a bit different, basically just shaping natural
> >> tendencies. I noticed that my dog would immediately go to something
> >> out of place or new that he hadn't noticed before. I paired this
> >> natural behavior with a phrase. I use, "find it". Then give praise
> >> when he went to it. My dog does a nose target, which I found to work
> >> just fine and so I continue to use that. He does not pick up random
> >> objects, so that was not a worry for me.
> >>
> >> Later I set up situations with objects that I had placed in a known
> >> location and then called him to find it. I used a lot of verbal
> >> encouragement and praise. When he found the thing he got more
> >> praise, pats and acknowledgement. I don't remember using clicker and
> >> treats to teach this, but I may have at some point. I did try to
> >> teach a retrieve at some point, but gave up because he absolutely
> >> refused to pick up anything that he didn't recognize as his. We had
> >> a lot of problems when he was a puppy with chewing up stuff, so I
> >> spent a lot of time teaching him to only chew on his things. I guess
> >> he took that to heart. Of course every dog is different and it is
> >> quite possible that with more time I could have taught him a
> >> retrieve. Finding things on the floor was really what I needed so I
> >> stopped with just
> > locating objects.
> >>
> >> I think Danielle's method would work also. is a lot more
> >> methodical and systematic. I do try to have training plans and
> >> teach things step by step, but then life happens and we end up using
> >> the fly by the seat of your pants method.
> >>
> >> Oh, I should add the find it is something that I only use at home or
> >> in a hotel room, out of harness and off leash. Monty will not find
> >> objects on the floor when working in harness.
> >>
> >> Good luck!
> >> Julie
> >> http://www.guide-and-service-dogs.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5/22/2017 7:38 PM, Danielle Sykora via NAGDU wrote:
> >>> I taught my dog how to find dropped items, by putting his paw on or
> >>> near the object. Here's the outline of how I taught this, using the
> >>> clicker.
> >>>
> >>> 1: Start with one object (I think I used an index card or some kind
> >>> of paper/cardboard). Hold it in your hand, show it to the dog, and
> >>> click and treat when the dog paws it. My dog tried nosing the
> >>> object, mouthing it, and barking in frustration before he finally got
> it.
> >>> 2: Once your dog paws the object reliably, put the command to it, (I
> >>> used "get it"). Make sure the dog reliably paws the object when you
> >>> give the command.
> >>> 3: Drop the object right in front of the dog from just a few inches
> >>> off the ground. Tell the dog "get it", and click and treat for
> >>> pawing the object.
> >>> 4: Drop the object from higher off the ground, but still in front of
> >>> the dog.
> >>> 5: start dropping the object progressively further away from the dog.
> >>> 6: Temporarily pair the "get it" and "stay" commands. This way, the
> >>> dog will paw the object and then stay there until you come over to
> >>> pick it up. Release the dog from the stay only after you pick up the
> >>> object. Eventually, you can drop "stay" and just say "get it".
> >>> 7: Start practicing with a variety of different items.
> >>>
> >>> **In the initial stages, make sure to use something that is easy to
> >>> hear when your dog's paw makes contact with it.
> >>>
> >>> Danielle and Thai
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 5/22/17, Rachel Grider via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>> Hello, All:
> >>>>
> >>>> Awhile ago, there was a discussion about teaching dogs to fetch,
> >>>> and someone on this list (I don't remember who) talked about
> >>>> teaching a guide dog how to find dropped items--not necessarily how
> >>>> to pick them up, but just to find them by touching the item. I
> >>>> would like to learn more about training my guide dog to do that.
> >>>> Does anyone have information about this?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you!
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> Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 19:28:56 -0500
> From: Wayne & Harley <k9dad at k9di.org>
> To: Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Finding Dropped Items
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> *Hello Cindy,
> I didn't teach the retrieve with Harley D, and I regret it. However, I
> could, if I wanted to, teach it to him. Harley D not learning to
> retrieve, however, isn't his fault, it's mine, as his trainer. While not
> part of actual guiding, per se, it is handy and more than a neat trick.
> To my way of thinking anyway. Since it is something that I desire my
> next Guide to do, an I will be the one drawing up his syllabus for his
> own personal Guide Dog University, retrieving will be in that syllabus.
> I suspect that Harley's successor will (pardon the pun) pick it up
> quickly....
> That, you see is the beauty of living in a free country. We are all free
> to decide what is, and isn't important to each of us on an individual
> basis.
>
> Your Mileage May Vary...
>
> Wayne And Harley D
>
> k9dad at k9di.org
>
> *n 5/27/2017 2:29 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU wrote:
> > When I say this, it is not meant as a criticism of what
> > people do. I had a black lab, my second dog, who was just a masterful
> > fetcher, and she would pick things up and drop them in my hand. Once she
> > even took a cookie off a tray and I put my hand under her chin and said
> > "out", and the cookie dropped into my hand. She was the only dog I had
> who
> > would do this. I was disappointed that more of my dogs didn't fetch or
> find
> > things. And oh yes, if she was playing with a toy and it went where she
> > couldn't quite find it, she would go as close as she could and put her
> nose
> > in the vicinity and whine. I think that was her anyway, though it could
> have
> > been Spencer. Anyway, thing is, the dog is a guide. That is its primary
> > purpose. I personally decided that having it do the fetching and finding
> > things was nice but full unnecessary. Please remember that I appreciate
> why
> > people want it, and I would be proud if I had a dog that did it, but it
> > isn't important to me. The one thing that would be just too cool about it
> > would be that I could say I trained the dog to do it.
> >
> > Cindy Lou Ray, Moderator
> > cindyray at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rachel
> Grider via
> > NAGDU
> > Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 1:53 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Rachel Grider <rachel.grider at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Finding Dropped Items
> >
> > Thank you for this information! I started this a couple days ago using
> sort
> > of a mixture between the two methods described. Demi picked it up very
> > quickly. She has mastered putting her paw on a dropped item both in and
> out
> > of harness. when working in harness, I would drop an object like my
> phone or
> > credit card, then would drop the harness and say "find it," and Demi
> would
> > put her paw on the item. We have only done this for practice at home so
> far.
> >
> > I am wondering, though, for those of you who actually have your dogs
> pick up
> > items, how one would train a dog to pick something up on command? Demi
> will
> > fetch, but that is only with her toys, and it seems like using clicker to
> > teach a dog to pick up an object would be counterproductive because the
> dog
> > expects a treat at the sound of the clicker. Does anyone have insight on
> > this? I don't know if I even want to train Demi to pick up items; I
> > definitely wouldn't want her doing it in harness, but it could be a
> useful
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> > On 5/23/17, Julie Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> I taught this a bit different, basically just shaping natural
> >> tendencies. I noticed that my dog would immediately go to something
> >> out of place or new that he hadn't noticed before. I paired this
> >> natural behavior with a phrase. I use, "find it". Then give praise
> >> when he went to it. My dog does a nose target, which I found to work
> >> just fine and so I continue to use that. He does not pick up random
> >> objects, so that was not a worry for me.
> >>
> >> Later I set up situations with objects that I had placed in a known
> >> location and then called him to find it. I used a lot of verbal
> >> encouragement and praise. When he found the thing he got more praise,
> >> pats and acknowledgement. I don't remember using clicker and treats
> >> to teach this, but I may have at some point. I did try to teach a
> >> retrieve at some point, but gave up because he absolutely refused to
> >> pick up anything that he didn't recognize as his. We had a lot of
> >> problems when he was a puppy with chewing up stuff, so I spent a lot
> >> of time teaching him to only chew on his things. I guess he took that
> >> to heart. Of course every dog is different and it is quite possible
> >> that with more time I could have taught him a retrieve. Finding
> >> things on the floor was really what I needed so I stopped with just
> > locating objects.
> >> I think Danielle's method would work also. is a lot more
> >> methodical and systematic. I do try to have training plans and teach
> >> things step by step, but then life happens and we end up using the fly
> >> by the seat of your pants method.
> >>
> >> Oh, I should add the find it is something that I only use at home or
> >> in a hotel room, out of harness and off leash. Monty will not find
> >> objects on the floor when working in harness.
> >>
> >> Good luck!
> >> Julie
> >> http://www.guide-and-service-dogs.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5/22/2017 7:38 PM, Danielle Sykora via NAGDU wrote:
> >>> I taught my dog how to find dropped items, by putting his paw on or
> >>> near the object. Here's the outline of how I taught this, using the
> >>> clicker.
> >>>
> >>> 1: Start with one object (I think I used an index card or some kind
> >>> of paper/cardboard). Hold it in your hand, show it to the dog, and
> >>> click and treat when the dog paws it. My dog tried nosing the object,
> >>> mouthing it, and barking in frustration before he finally got it.
> >>> 2: Once your dog paws the object reliably, put the command to it, (I
> >>> used "get it"). Make sure the dog reliably paws the object when you
> >>> give the command.
> >>> 3: Drop the object right in front of the dog from just a few inches
> >>> off the ground. Tell the dog "get it", and click and treat for pawing
> >>> the object.
> >>> 4: Drop the object from higher off the ground, but still in front of
> >>> the dog.
> >>> 5: start dropping the object progressively further away from the dog.
> >>> 6: Temporarily pair the "get it" and "stay" commands. This way, the
> >>> dog will paw the object and then stay there until you come over to
> >>> pick it up. Release the dog from the stay only after you pick up the
> >>> object. Eventually, you can drop "stay" and just say "get it".
> >>> 7: Start practicing with a variety of different items.
> >>>
> >>> **In the initial stages, make sure to use something that is easy to
> >>> hear when your dog's paw makes contact with it.
> >>>
> >>> Danielle and Thai
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 5/22/17, Rachel Grider via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>> Hello, All:
> >>>>
> >>>> Awhile ago, there was a discussion about teaching dogs to fetch, and
> >>>> someone on this list (I don't remember who) talked about teaching a
> >>>> guide dog how to find dropped items--not necessarily how to pick
> >>>> them up, but just to find them by touching the item. I would like to
> >>>> learn more about training my guide dog to do that. Does anyone have
> >>>> information about this?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you!
> >>>>
> >>>> Rachel
> >>>>
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