[NAGDU] Disappointed in Guiding Eyes for the Blind's Response

Buddy Brannan buddy at brannan.name
Fri Jan 26 01:34:41 UTC 2018 

Yes...that's exactly how it works. Because the standard should be behavior. I don't care if your dog is a service dog or not, if it is not properly behaved and if the handler doesn't address the behavior, it should not fly, period amen. Why is that so difficult? 

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> On Jan 25, 2018, at 3:07 PM, Raul A. Gallegos via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> basicly people don't want to be bothered to show paperwork, but they
> expect to just be let through like everyone else but the fakes can't.
> it doesn't work that way.
> 
> On 1/25/18, Scott Berry via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Stacy and all,
>> 
>> If people are that concerned then why not put a chip in the ear with all
>> that info and just scan the chip let’s make it real simple.  Not to be a
>> smart aleck but you know the way it’s going we’ll probably have chips some
>> day as well. We’ll be similar to a robot I think it may be quite some time
>> but I see it coming.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 25, 2018, at 12:49 PM, Stacie Hardy - NFBHOU via NAGDU
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Julie and all,
>>> 
>>> Julie, those were my thoughts exactly with regards to our dogs wearing
>>> rabies tags. If you think about it, we are already he’s traveling with the
>>> necessary documentation. Rabies is the most important of any concern as it
>>> is a disease that is easily transmitted between human and animal. With the
>>> exception of our recent cruise, I typically don’t travel with my dogs vet
>>> records. However, I do have in my contacts my vets contact information and
>>> can easily provide that to any vet where ever I am traveling. I’m
>>> wondering when it will be, requirement for parents to travel with
>>> immunization records for their children :-)?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> President: NFB of Texas Houston Chapter
>>> Voice and Text: (346) 704-0190 or (832) 779-7477
>>> 
>>> "A question never asked is an answer never known"
>>> "Live the life you want!"
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 25, 2018, at 1:43 PM, d m gina via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I think I am missing a step here.
>>>> The school is willing to give out the cards, what I am hearing you say is
>>>> we don't show the cards?
>>>> The school feels if you show the card this would help?
>>>> Is this what I am understanding?
>>>> Then if you keep up with the certificate of all shots, this would be
>>>> fine?
>>>> I am not sure what else I would need to bring?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> I’d like to share the link to the guiding eyes page on which the
>>>>> statement is posted.
>>>>> Here’s the link:
>>>> 
>>>>> https://www.guidingeyes.org/33497/access-hotline-for-our-graduates/
>>>> 
>>>>> Here’s the text:
>>>>> “[...]
>>>> 
>>>>> On January 19, 2018, Delta Airlines announced the requirement of a
>>>>> health certificate for service animals on all domestic flights. Guiding
>>>>> Eyes is communicating with Delta to understand how to help our graduates
>>>>> navigate these new procedures.
>>>> 
>>>>> Guiding Eyes currently provides health certificates to all graduates
>>>>> that are valid up to one year (depending on date of vaccinations.) After
>>>>> the initial certificate expires, we can provide an updated health
>>>>> certificate to graduates who bring their guides to the Guiding Eyes
>>>>> Training Center in Yorktown Heights, NY, for a check-up by a staff
>>>>> veterinarian.
>>>> 
>>>>> We continue to issue I.D. cards and letters to all graduates certifying
>>>>> that each Guiding Eyes guide dog has been formally trained as a service
>>>>> dog and has been taught to be well behaved in public. While not required
>>>>> by law, these can be helpful in resolving access challenges.
>>>> 
>>>>> The entire Guiding Eyes community works hard to make sure our dogs are
>>>>> bred, socialized and trained to be well behaved in public. Guiding Eyes
>>>>> remains committed to assisting our graduates and are pleased to add this
>>>>> enhancement to our comprehensive follow up services. If you have any
>>>>> questions about this announcement please contact me directly.
>>>> 
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> 
>>>>> Ben Cawley
>>>>> Director of Admissions
>>>>> Guiding Eyes for the Blind
>>>>> 914-243-2227<tel:914-243-2227>
>>>>> 800-942-0149<tel:800-942-0149>
>>>>> bcawley at guidingeyes.org<mailto:bcawley at guidingeyes.org>”
>>>> 
>>>>> Check us out
>>>>> @chief - a service dog
>>>>> on Facebook
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 24, 2018, at 10:16 PM, Milissa Garside via NAGDU
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Wow, I just saw the statement on the guiding eyes website that this
>>>>> response refers to. Pretty darn disappointing.
>>>> 
>>>>> Milissa
>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 25, 2018, at 12:12 AM, Sonja O via NAGDU
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Very disappointing, indeed.
>>>>> Thanks for sharing.
>>>>> Best wishes to you, sonja
>>>> 
>>>>> Check us out
>>>>> @chief - a service dog
>>>>> on Facebook
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 24, 2018, at 8:59 PM, NAGDU President via NAGDU
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Dear NAGDU Members & Supporters,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> I am writing to share with you my comments to Guiding Eyes for the Blind
>>>>> regarding their comments on Delta's proposed service animal policy.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>> 
>>>>> Marion Gwizdala their statement
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> January 24, 2018
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Dear Mr. Cawley,
>>>> 
>>>>> Via Email: bcawley at guidingeyes.org<mailto:bcawley at guidingeyes.org>
>>>> 
>>>>>           I want to express my extreme disappointment with the
>>>>> response by Guiding eyes for the Blind to the issue we are facing with
>>>>> delta
>>>>> Airlines. The National Association of Guide Dog Users, a strong and
>>>>> proud
>>>>> division of the National Federation of the Blind,  is committed to
>>>>> advocating for all guide dog users, whether they receive their guide
>>>>> dogs
>>>>> from a formal training program or choose to owner-train their dogs. We
>>>>> are
>>>>> also aware that, when we advocate for policies that affect us as guide
>>>>> dog
>>>>> users, we have a more global responsibility to the entire service dog
>>>>> industry. We take this responsibility seriously and reject any attempt
>>>>> to
>>>>> weaken our civil rights. This being said, we oppose any measures that
>>>>> have
>>>>> the effect of discriminating against disabled individuals who use
>>>>> service
>>>>> dogs, including the imposition of an unequal benefit, something Guiding
>>>>> Eyes
>>>>> for the Blind seems to condone in their recent statement.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Though it is true that consumers of Guiding Eyes for the Blind and other
>>>>> guide dog training programs are issued identification cards, these cards
>>>>> are
>>>>> not and should not be required as a precondition for access under the
>>>>> Air
>>>>> Carrier Access Act or a covered entity under the Americans with
>>>>> Disabilities
>>>>> Act. Though it is equally true that all responsible animal owners,
>>>>> including
>>>>> guide and service dog users, must accept the responsibility of
>>>>> maintaining
>>>>> the health of their dogs, it is paternalistic to require us to
>>>>> demonstrate
>>>>> that we are doing so just because we are blind or otherwise disabled and
>>>>> use
>>>>> a service dog! The requirement to present a health record as a
>>>>> precondition
>>>>> to travel is discriminatory and imposes an undue burden for those of us
>>>>> who
>>>>> use service dogs. Likewise, the inability to book on-demand travel and
>>>>> check-in online, curbside, or by means of a kiosk is a discriminatory
>>>>> unequal benefit.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>           By issuing their statement, Guiding Eyes for the Blind has
>>>>> done a disservice to their consumers and the entire service dog using
>>>>> public. Such an ill-informed position compromises the progress made by
>>>>> the
>>>>> National Federation of the Blind and the National Association of Guide
>>>>> Dog
>>>>> Users to ensure that service dog users have the right to full
>>>>> participation
>>>>> in society on terms of full equality and to travel freely without
>>>>> harassment
>>>>> or the imposition of unnecessary, burdensome requirements.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>           The National Association of Guide Dog Users strongly urges
>>>>> Guiding Eyes for the Blind to rescind their statement and take a stand
>>>>> with
>>>>> us to demand that those of us who choose to use service dogs have the
>>>>> ability to travel freely and on equal terms with our nondisabled peers.
>>>>> We
>>>>> further urge
>>>> 
>>>>> all guide and service dog training programs to stand with the National
>>>>> Federation of the blind and its National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> to
>>>>> ensure that their consumers are well-informed about their civil rights
>>>>> under
>>>>> the law and take an active role in advocating for those rights.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>           For more information about the National Association of Guide
>>>>> Dog Users, please visit our website
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> http://nagdu.org
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Live the life you want; nobody can stop you!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Respectfully yours,
>>>> 
>>>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>>>> 
>>>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU)
>>>> 
>>>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>>> 
>>>>> (813) 626-2789
>>>> 
>>>>> President at NAGDU.ORG<mailto:President at NAGDU.ORG>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
>>>>> expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind
>>>>> people
>>>>> and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not what
>>>>> holds
>>>>> you back.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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