[NAGDU] NAGDU Digest, Vol 156, Issue 8
Peter Wolf
pwolf1 at wolfskills.com
Sun Mar 18 04:57:47 UTC 2018
I’m very much behind you Julie on this one. The bond is really formed in the the first couple of years. At least for the first year, we did not leave our dogs behind. Well, actually, never since either. But had we found both a comfortably qualified person, and at that one who didn’t equal a second mortgage on our house in fees, we’d have considered it.
Yes, each country is different. Once you’ve gotten the basic drill, say, for flying to a regular EU country, then there are a few more requirements added on by countries such as UK countries and Sweden. But we’re careful about researching that. For example, England, Scotland and Ireland require not just current rabies, but if there has *ever* in the entire history of the dog, been even one day of lapse between current and next rabies booster shots, they require a fresh booster even if you are now current, within one year before entering. To us, that is over-vaccinating and there is plenty of evidence that this is bad for a dog’s immune system and overall long term health. So we’d time our visits accordingly rather than over-vaccinating. If you are just getting a dog, then your first shot is a year’s worth, and just be sure to get the next booster before it lapses, which will then be good for three years. Then you are ok. That’s UK. Landing in Amsterdam they barely even looked at us and waved us out the door.
-Peter
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> 2. Re: questions on when to get a dog and how it affects
> international travel (Tracy Carcione)
> 3. Re: College Dorms (NAGDU President)
> 4. Re: Questions for low-vision people (Tracy Carcione)
> 5. Shirley (Tracy Carcione)
> 6. NFB Ride Sharing Survey Links (Lucy Marr)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 12:38:19 +0000
> From: Gabriel Moloney <gmoloney6467 at googlemail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] questions on when to get a dog and how it affects
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> hi there
> I would agree with the comment from Julie I think, I am in work at the moment and am busy enough which is good. Again welcome to the list. Its hard to say when to apply for a guide, when I was diagnosed with R>P> awhile back it took me awhile to adapt to the OMI training with a kane before moving to working a guide I applied for my first guide a year after my R.P. was diagnosed.
> It is a personal choice when to apply. In regards to International Travel, I can only speak for Ireland you would need to get documents signed off from your Bet frames, flee and worm treatment at least 48ours before traveling to Ireland you would need to inform the DOA in ireland my email that you are traveling with a guide dog, you will be met at Dublin airport by inspector from DOA who will check your dog?s paperwork and that is it for your dog coming into Ireland, a bet to Ireland might be required for your return trip to USA I always do this when traveling overseas. Again at least 48hours before return trip.
> hope this has helped
> Gabriel
>
>> On Mar 15, 2018, at 11:56 AM, Julie Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Welcome to the list!
>>
>> When is it the right time to get a guide dog?
>> That's kind of like asking when is it the right time to have kids! *smile* I don't think there's one right answer that applies to everyone, or even makes sense to try to apply to everyone. It has to be the right time for you. You do need to have basic cane travel skills, be able to know where you are and have a sense of what you need to do to get where you want to go and feel a dog would help you. I suggest spending some time with someone who uses a guide dog. Go for a walk with the person and their dog, see what the dog does and doesn't do, ask some questions and get a feel for if a dog is for you.
>>
>> Most blind people don't have guide dogs. I heard somewhere that something like 10% of blind people have a guide dog. That's just a number rolling around in my head and may be off a bit. I've been to a lot of blindness events though and the 10% number feels about right. So if you never get a dog, that's totally fine too.
>>
>> You can travel to other countries with your dog, most of them anyway. You have to check the laws where you are going to know exactly what you need to do. Different countries have different requirements. Generally it's going to involve a lot of paperwork, up to date vaccinations/deworming/flea treatments, a trip to the vet before you travel and probably a meeting/interview when you arrive in the other country to review your documents. If you're good at advance planning, you'll be fine.
>>
>> On the topic of leaving the dog behind for a week or two while you travel, I think I'm probably in the minority here, but I think it's okay. It's better if you can do this further along in the working life of the dog. It's not a good idea to only have had the dog a month or two and then leave for a couple of weeks, but if you've had the dog for a year or two and need to do this, it's much less of a problem. I think it also depends on the individual dog. Some dogs are going to adapt to this better than others. Where your dog would be staying with familiar people in a familiar place, I think it's less of a problem. A dog isn't going to lose it's training after a week or two of not working. It takes months for the training to deteriorate to a problem level, at least with an experienced dog. Again a new dog is going to struggle with this more.
>>
>> Again welcome!
>> Julie
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>> -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Boudwin via NAGDU
>> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 4:18 AM
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>> Cc: Ryan Boudwin
>> Subject: [NAGDU] questions on when to get a dog and how it affects international travel
>>
>> Hey everyone,
>>
>> I was recently diagnosed with retinitis pigmentosa. I'm pretty early in the
>> progression; my mid-periphery is gone but I still have reliable central
>> vision and some far periphery, but it will get worse over time.
>>
>> I am now using a cane and have stopped driving. At what point would it make
>> sense for me to consider getting a guide dog? I'm 33 and pretty active. I'm
>> employed in IT management and I like to go hiking a lot. I walk very fast.
>> I am assuming I have too much usable vision to get a dog right now but I'm
>> wondering at what vision loss threshold should I look into it?
>>
>> My other question is that I travel for work from the USA to Ireland 1-2
>> times a year for 1-2 weeks each time. I may end up needing to travel to
>> Singapore occasionally as well as we are opening an office there.
>> Maintaining my ability to travel for work is important to my job and I
>> enjoy travelling internationally. How do you take a service animal on a
>> long haul flight like that? Should I just revert to a cane for trips like
>> that? If I did that how would my dog handle my absence? I have a wife and
>> three kids, so the dog wouldn't be alone but I've heard guide dogs struggle
>> with absences sometimes.
>>
>> Ryan Boudwin
>> ryanboudwin at gmail.com
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> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 08:40:17 -0400
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] questions on when to get a dog and how it affects
> international travel
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> In addition to Julie's excellent points, different countries have different
> laws about guide dog access. My dog was welcome everywhere in Ireland. I
> don't know about laws in Singapore.
> Also, some dogs thrive on a lot of travel, and some get stressed out by it.
> If at some time you do decide to get a dog, be sure to let the program you
> choose know about your lifestyle, so they can try to pick the dog that will
> suit you best.
> Mike Hingson, who is on the NAGDU board, and on this list, travels a lot,
> and could probably give you good advice.
>
> BTW, I also work in IT, but on the technical side.
> Welcome to the list.
> Tracy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Boudwin via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:18 AM
> To: NAGDU at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Ryan Boudwin
> Subject: [NAGDU] questions on when to get a dog and how it affects
> international travel
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> I was recently diagnosed with retinitis pigmentosa. I'm pretty early in the
> progression; my mid-periphery is gone but I still have reliable central
> vision and some far periphery, but it will get worse over time.
>
> I am now using a cane and have stopped driving. At what point would it make
> sense for me to consider getting a guide dog? I'm 33 and pretty active. I'm
> employed in IT management and I like to go hiking a lot. I walk very fast.
> I am assuming I have too much usable vision to get a dog right now but I'm
> wondering at what vision loss threshold should I look into it?
>
> My other question is that I travel for work from the USA to Ireland 1-2
> times a year for 1-2 weeks each time. I may end up needing to travel to
> Singapore occasionally as well as we are opening an office there.
> Maintaining my ability to travel for work is important to my job and I enjoy
> travelling internationally. How do you take a service animal on a long haul
> flight like that? Should I just revert to a cane for trips like that? If I
> did that how would my dog handle my absence? I have a wife and three kids,
> so the dog wouldn't be alone but I've heard guide dogs struggle with
> absences sometimes.
>
> Ryan Boudwin
> ryanboudwin at gmail.com
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> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 11:55:35 -0400
> From: "NAGDU President" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] College Dorms
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> Wayne,
>
> Student housing is covered by the Fair Housing Act.
>
> Marion
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Wayne And Harley D via NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 9:55 PM
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> Cc: Wayne And Harley D
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] College Dorms
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> Hello Ms. Grocer,I may be wrong, but the school's housing, would fall under the FHA. If so, you may need to submit a written reasonable accomodation request to have your Service Dog with you as you would with any landlord. The legal beagles on the list can correct me if I'm incorrect on that.One clarification that I would like to offer.If you are in the U.S. and your Service Dog was trained in the U.S. then it is not certified. 1. The law does not require it.2. The law does not recognize it.
> Your Mileage May Vary
>
> Wayne And Harley D
> k9dad at k9di.org
> -------- Original message --------From: Rachel Grider via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> Date: 3/14/18 20:26 (GMT-06:00) To: NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> Cc: Rachel Grider <rachel.grider at gmail.com> Subject: [NAGDU] College Dorms
> Hello, All:
>
> This summer, I will be attending a young artist professional
> fellowship which will take place at a music school. It lasts for
> about three weeks, and I will be staying in the dorms there. The
> person in charge of the program commented to me in an email that
> my guide dog may not be welcome in the housing facility, but she
> was not sure and would check; I wrote back and explained that my
> dog is a certified service dog and not an ESA. I have not heard
> back as of yet.
>
> Is anyone familiar with housing laws in private campuses as they
> relate to service dogs? I want to make sure I know my rights in
> case there is a problem.
>
> Thank you, and all best!
>
> Rachel
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 18:27:52 -0400
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Questions for low-vision people
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> Hi Sandy.
> So there are people who feel that way. Now you mention it, I remember my
> first walk with my first dog, zooming down the sidewalk, zipping around an
> overhanging tree. It was sheer joy. Thanks for reminding me.
> Tracy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of S L Johnson via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 4:43 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: S L Johnson
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Questions for low-vision people
>
> Hi Tracy:
>
> I was born legally blind. As my vision got worse in high school I had to
> begin using a cane. I lost all my vision after unsuccessful detached retina
> surgery in my junior year of high school. I used a cane my first two years
> of college in a small town in upstate New York. . A transfer to a college
> in New York City made me realize that using a cane in the big busy city was
> not for me, especially in the crowded noisy subways. It is not hype. I
> still remember my first walk with my first dog. As I flew down the street I
> felt a sense of excitement and freedom that I never felt when walking with a
> cane. When I reached the curb I began to cry and through my tears I told
> the trainer that walking with a guide dog was almost as good as having my
> sight back. Since that hot summer day in 1975I have never been without a
> guide dog. I felt as if I really could see again as we flawlessly traveled
> around the city. I was thrilled with the new confidence I had with a guide
> dog. I no longer wanted to hide in the corner and throw that cane in the
> trash. I loved getting out for walks just for the pleasure of walking not
> having to tap that cane and feel for every step and hope I did not run into
> anything that my cane missed. I remember with a cane I was always slamming
> into signs, light poles and phone booths that stuck out at shoulder or head
> height that I would miss with my cane. I was a very fast walker so often
> fell off a curb or steps before I felt them with my cane. No more of that
> nonsense when my guide dog would take me around all those injuries waiting
> to happen. No, the dog could not give me back my vision but, it felt that
> way. I had my furry golden pair of eyes to keep me safe. I think if your
>
> husband took a walk with a guide dog he would be amazed how much easier and
> faster he could walk without the risk of injury. Good luck to both of you
> as you help get him through this difficult adjustment.
>
> Sandra and Golden Eva
> SLJohnson25 at comcast.net
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tracy Carcione via NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 11:18 AM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Tracy Carcione
> Subject: [NAGDU] Questions for low-vision people
>
> I have questions for people who had vision, then lost most of it. I've been
> blind most of my life, and I'd like your perspective to help my husband. He
> had low but OK vision for many years, but has lost most of it over the past
> few years. He uses a cane, but still wants to move fast, like he did when
> he could see better, and isn't always as cautious as he should be. He had
> an accident recently. Nothing too bad, yet, but it easily could have been.
> I'm arguing with him to get a dog, because I think it's the safest and
> fastest way to get around the big city safely, and what you get is well
> worth the pain of eventually having to say goodbye.
>
> My first question is: I was watching a publicity video yesterday for TSE,
> and 2 people said that getting a dog was like getting some of their vision
> back. It gave them a set of eyes to use, and an extra brain to assess
> situations. Do other people feel this way, or is it just hype?
> My second question is: What got you to change your approach and get a dog,
> or sharpen your cane skills? Listening to classmates at TSE, it seems to
> take a real hard shove from someone, or a bad accident. But maybe that's
> not always so?
>
> If people want, they can write privately to me at carcione at access.net.
> Thanks.
> Tracy
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 18:29:02 -0400
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
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> Subject: [NAGDU] Shirley
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> Hi Shirley. I tried to reply to your private message, but my email provider
> says your email doesn't exist. But I appreciate what you said. Thanks.
>
> Tracy
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 20:19:49 -0400
> From: "Lucy Marr" <septembergirl95 at gmail.com>
> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [NAGDU] NFB Ride Sharing Survey Links
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> Please consider using the following social media messaging this month to reach potential testers via Twitter, Facebook, and your affiliate?s listserv.
>
> ? Planning to travel for spring break? If you have a service animal and use Uber or Lyft to get around on vacation, be sure to fill out our questionnaire: https://nfb.org/rideshare-test.
>
> ? Did you spring forward on your resolution to submit more rideshare tests? Take Uber or Lyft with your service animal and then fill out our survey: https://nfb.org/rideshare-test.
>
> ? Spring into action today! Ride Uber or Lyft with your service animal and then fill out our survey: https://nfb.org/rideshare-test.
>
> ? If you use Uber or Lyft with a service animal, we'd love to hear from you: https://nfb.org/rideshare-test .
>
>
>
> Thank you, again, for your help with the NFB?s rideshare testing program. If you haven?t yet, please take time to review the related webpages: https://nfb.org/rideshare and https://nfb.org/rideshare-faq.
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