[NAGDU] Some Questions About Guiding Eyes

Wed Jul 31 00:18:50 UTC 2019

Hi Danielle,
Can you please email me privately? I have a question for you; but I don't want to add to the list traffic. My email address is:
Maddymartin at mymts.net
Good luck with your choice and please keep us posted. Thanks
Madison

-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle Ledet via NAGDU
Sent: July-30-19 6:40 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Danielle Ledet <singingmywayin at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Some Questions About Guiding Eyes

Ok I get it. Thanks for the explanation Tracy. I don't think any of my dogs did this per se.
Lisa, I'm with you I see no problems with this. I'm not always good at it with a cane.
Thanks Julie, I was talking to a recent grad today and he mentioned the paperwork that needs to be completed. No problem! and thanks for answering about the visits. I do like that. It says alot about the school's trust in there dogs and human partners. And I have never had a problem recognizing when to call for help.
Thanks Mary! How have you been?
Hey Raven, I wondered if you were still here. Thanks for the information. Nope not bothersome to me at all. I am happy to know they will help with new routes because next year at this time I will be moving to a new Apartment complex.
Milissa, thanks for the candid overview. I'm not big on strictly food rewards either but I want to be fair and give it a try since we treated at my previous school but it was not overemphasized just for targeting new behaviors and we gradually fazed it out. I wish they gave ownership but alas, they don't and that is something I willl have to contend with should all go well.

So, my questions for today. I saw on the website that average food costs are $80 to $100 per month. What do they feed and recommend? And, lastly, what comes with the dog when you graduate?
Oh, and, what should I expect during the home interview? Thanks you guys for your patience and candor!

On 7/30/19, Dan Weiner via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I don't doubt it, Jordan. I've seen some really weird reasons that 
> schools are giving people now for rejecting them, not talking about 
> you, or not talking about GEB per se. things like "too much 
> construction in your neighborhood"... "applicant is accompanied too 
> much to give dog a chance for viable work" (blind people shouldn't 
> have any friends???--lol...or... "does not follow instructional 
> protocol"  ones that have been read to me by friends...i ask myself 
> whether schools just don't like certain people or things about them 
> and just will find any reason or cloak their reasons in gibberish.
>
> And now, remember I'm not referring to any one school I can site at 
> least four schools I heard of this stuff from...
>
>
> Cordially,
>
> Dan the man with Parker the nut
>
>
> On 7/30/2019 2:10 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU wrote:
>> The letter that I received denying my application stated that they do 
>> not like their dogs doing complicated and complex crossings Jordan
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jul 30, 2019, at 2:07 PM, Mary Metzger via NAGDU 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> My first three dogs came from Guiding Eyes, and I still know many 
>>> current graduates.  Many of these graduates live or work in large 
>>> cities and regularly navigate complex crossings.
>>>
>>> Mary Beth Metzger
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lisa 
>>> Belville via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 1:34 PM
>>> To: Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Lisa Belville <missktlab1217 at frontier.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Some Questions About Guiding Eyes
>>>
>>> Tracey, this is what I thought backtracking was, too.?? I've also 
>>> heard it called reversing a route, i.e. you go someplace using 
>>> mostly right turns and the route back uses left turns.?? Some dogs 
>>> find it boring, especially ones with more initiative.?? Still, there 
>>> are times when this is the way I want to go.?? It could be for 
>>> safety reasons such as construction work or me just being too 
>>> hot/tired.
>>>
>>>
>>> I wouldn't want a school telling me this is something I shouldn't be 
>>> doing with my dogs.?? IMO if someone doesn't use backtracking often 
>>> there's no harm in doing it occasionally.?????? I'd be interested to 
>>> hear GEB's reasoning for this policy.
>>>
>>>
>>> Lisa
>>>
>>>
>>> Lisa Belville
>>> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>>>
>>>> On 7/30/2019 12:19 PM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote:
>>>> What I call backtracking is when the dog can reverse a path, 
>>>> without too much input from me.  I had one dog who was really good 
>>>> at it.  If we'd go hiking, say, then decide after a while we wanted 
>>>> to go back the way we'd come, I'd turn her around, tell her 
>>>> Forward, and she'd remember where we turned and go back to where we 
>>>> started.  Pretty handy.  But not all dogs can do it well.  For me, 
>>>> it's a nice extra, but
>>> by no means a must-have.
>>>> Others may feel differently.
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>>> Hmm, what do you mean by backtracking?
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/29/19, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>  From what I was told when I had my home visit from Guiding Eyes, 
>>>>>> they do have mandatory follow ups, and the following is what 
>>>>>> ended up me taking them off the list.  They absolutely do not 
>>>>>> want you doing any back tracking nor do they want their dogs 
>>>>>> doing anything but really simple street crossings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jordan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Danielle 
>>>>>> Ledet via NAGDU
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 9:48 PM
>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Cc: Danielle Ledet <singingmywayin at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Some Questions About Guiding Eyes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey yall,
>>>>>> I am considering strongly putting in my application for Guiding Eyes.
>>>>>> How long do retrains have to stay? And, do they have mandatory 
>>>>>> yearly followup visits? That's all for now, but do share your 
>>>>>> experiences with the school for training and after you and your 
>>>>>> dog have been working for awhile.
>>>>>> Positives? Negatives? Thanks you guys!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I met a Guiding Eyes dog and was very impressed with the 
>>>>>> responsiveness even when not in harness. I prefer my dogs to be 
>>>>>> seroius when working and not be easily distracted. This was a dog 
>>>>>> fresh out of training and all of 2 years old.
>>>>>>
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