[NAGDU] NAGDU guide dog schools

Sat Oct 5 02:25:29 UTC 2019

I applied to two different schools and read the book, A Guide to Guide
Dog Schools, which is available on NLS BARD and Bookshare.org. It is a
bit outdated, and does not include some of the newer schools like
Occupaws and Guide Dogs of Texas. I also read Handbook for Perspective
Guide Dog Users by Guide Dog Users Inc. I made a list of all the guide
dog schools by using assistance  Dogs International website adi.org,
which lists their member organizations, NFB's resource list of guide
dog schools, and American  Foundation for the blind afb.org database
of guide dog schools. I went on every website and read lots of
personal accounts of guide dog experience. Someone else already
mentioned making a list of pros and cons, and then also, make sure to
figure out what is emportant. Once you think you have it narrowed
down, call or email the schools and ask anything you feel you need to
know. Sometimes, the schools have their lectures online, and sometimes
they have things like tours of the campus, or detailed explanations of
the training program and training schedule. Also, almost all of the
schools have an email list you can join that will tell you about the
school and their philosophy. I am only on my first dog for three
months now, so I can't give you much of my personal experience with
training at other schools. Hope this helps Gretchen and guide dog
Beacon Grace.

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> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 20:08:05 -0600
> From: Emily Brown <emilyboudwin at gmail.com>
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> What guide dog school would you recommend and why?
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> From: "Jordan Gallacher" <jordangandoliver at gmail.com>
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> GDB and GDF are the two I would recommend.  They use positive training
> methods and seem to attract the best instructors.  GDA is also good but has
> three week classes instead of two and does not have classes June through
> August if I recall correctly.
> Jordan
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> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 22:34:12 -0400
> From: Rachel straneva <ralab at roadrunner.com>
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> Hi,
> Well this is a really personal decision that I recommend you do research on
> all of the guard dog programs available. Just because a school is close or
> you know people who have gone there doesn?t mean that that particular
> program is right for you. Everybody?s needs/wants are different. Not only
> should you ask the same questions to each potential program you?re
> interested in but I personally made a pro con list with my needs/wants. You
> need to decide which things are important to you like breed complete
> ownership right away the length of the training that will help. Those are
> some examples of things that you need to decide what?s important to you.
> That financial help is another thing that you need to decide whether you
> want or need or if that?s not a major priority for you. Personally for me
> The Seeing Eye in Morristown New Jersey was the right program for me. It had
> a longer class 3 1/2 weeks for first-time handlers 2 1/2 weeks for retrains
> excellent training as that hasn?t really changed much from when they began
> 90 years ago in 1929. The fact that they do a traffic check only a couple of
> days into training one of the only schools that do that very early I believe
> it is the only school that does it that early. I didn?t have a breed
> preference. Complete ownership was important to me so the small fee $$150
> for your first dog $50 for each successor was reasonable since that hasn?t
> changed in 90 years. They do require that you have excellent cane /Travel
> skills that they will evaluate when they come to do a home interview in
> person. Veterinary financial help wasn?t as much of a priority to me as
> complete ownership right away so it doesn?t bother me that I have to
> financially be 100% responsible for that myself. I also love their graduate
> follow-up services I?ve always had help either over the phone or a trainer
> come out to work with me depending on what I might need help with later on
> in our partnership. Those are some of the reasons why that particular
> program is what I have chosen I personally wouldn?t go anywhere else since
> they fit my needs/wants perfectly. As I said I did my own research though.
>
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>> On 3 Oct 2019, at 10:08 pm, Emily Brown via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
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> From: <cindyray at gmail.com>
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> Rachel makes good points. It is OK to learn what people would recommend, but
> we come with our biases. So you need to do the research.
> The fee at The Seeing Eye is pay it in as small amounts as you need to, or
> at least it always was. For me, the immediate ownership, especially since
> they have the vet facility, the opportunity to go for the dog's last check
> before taking him home, and the instruction is really very good. Their home
> visits are quite productive usually, and I appreciated the follow up
> training I have had.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
>
>
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> <emilyboudwin at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Guide Dog Schools
>
> Hi,
> Well this is a really personal decision that I recommend you do research on
> all of the guard dog programs available. Just because a school is close or
> you know people who have gone there doesn?t mean that that particular
> program is right for you. Everybody?s needs/wants are different. Not only
> should you ask the same questions to each potential program you?re
> interested in but I personally made a pro con list with my needs/wants. You
> need to decide which things are important to you like breed complete
> ownership right away the length of the training that will help. Those are
> some examples of things that you need to decide what?s important to you.
> That financial help is another thing that you need to decide whether you
> want or need or if that?s not a major priority for you. Personally for me
> The Seeing Eye in Morristown New Jersey was the right program for me. It had
> a longer class 3 1/2 weeks for first-time handlers 2 1/2 weeks for retrains
> excellent training as that hasn?t really changed much from when they began
> 90 years ago in 1929. The fact that they do a traffic check only a couple of
> days into training one of the only schools that do that very early I believe
> it is the only school that does it that early. I didn?t have a breed
> preference. Complete ownership was important to me so the small fee $$150
> for your first dog $50 for each successor was reasonable since that hasn?t
> changed in 90 years. They do require that you have excellent cane /Travel
> skills that they will evaluate when they come to do a home interview in
> person. Veterinary financial help wasn?t as much of a priority to me as
> complete ownership right away so it doesn?t bother me that I have to
> financially be 100% responsible for that myself. I also love their graduate
> follow-up services I?ve always had help either over the phone or a trainer
> come out to work with me depending on what I might need help with later on
> in our partnership. Those are some of the reasons why that particular
> program is what I have chosen I personally wouldn?t go anywhere else since
> they fit my needs/wants perfectly. As I said I did my own research though.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 3 Oct 2019, at 10:08 pm, Emily Brown via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 23:25:17 -0400
> From: Rachel straneva <ralab at roadrunner.com>
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> Hi,
> Yes they still will let you pay in instalments if that is something that you
> need. They?ve never turned anybody away for an inability to pay the entire
> amount upfront. They will work with you on a payment plan. Everything Cindy
> said is correct. Yes you still go to the vet before you go home for a last
> check up.  I?m happy to discuss the training programs andSeeing Eye with
> anyone interested in that school off this list. My dog is starting to slow
> down so in anticipation for her retirement in a couple of years I?ve already
> started my re-train application I?ve been so happy with their training that
> I never considered switching schools since the training I received has been
> nothing but excellent.
> Rachel & Fancy,
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On 3 Oct 2019, at 11:11 pm, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Rachel makes good points. It is OK to learn what people would recommend,
>> but we come with our biases. So you need to do the research.
>> The fee at The Seeing Eye is pay it in as small amounts as you need to, or
>> at least it always was. For me, the immediate ownership, especially since
>> they have the vet facility, the opportunity to go for the dog's last check
>> before taking him home, and the instruction is really very good. Their
>> home visits are quite productive usually, and I appreciated the follow up
>> training I have had.
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Rachel straneva via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2019 9:34 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Rachel straneva <ralab at roadrunner.com>; Emily Brown
>> <emilyboudwin at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Guide Dog Schools
>>
>> Hi,
>> Well this is a really personal decision that I recommend you do research
>> on all of the guard dog programs available. Just because a school is close
>> or you know people who have gone there doesn?t mean that that particular
>> program is right for you. Everybody?s needs/wants are different. Not only
>> should you ask the same questions to each potential program you?re
>> interested in but I personally made a pro con list with my needs/wants.
>> You need to decide which things are important to you like breed complete
>> ownership right away the length of the training that will help. Those are
>> some examples of things that you need to decide what?s important to you.
>> That financial help is another thing that you need to decide whether you
>> want or need or if that?s not a major priority for you. Personally for me
>> The Seeing Eye in Morristown New Jersey was the right program for me. It
>> had a longer class 3 1/2 weeks for first-time handlers 2 1/2 weeks for
>> retrains excellent training as that hasn?t really changed much from when
>> they began 90 years ago in 1929. The fact that they do a traffic check
>> only a couple of days into training one of the only schools that do that
>> very early I believe it is the only school that does it that early. I
>> didn?t have a breed preference. Complete ownership was important to me so
>> the small fee $$150 for your first dog $50 for each successor was
>> reasonable since that hasn?t changed in 90 years. They do require that you
>> have excellent cane /Travel skills that they will evaluate when they come
>> to do a home interview in person. Veterinary financial help wasn?t as much
>> of a priority to me as complete ownership right away so it doesn?t bother
>> me that I have to financially be 100% responsible for that myself. I also
>> love their graduate follow-up services I?ve always had help either over
>> the phone or a trainer come out to work with me depending on what I might
>> need help with later on in our partnership. Those are some of the reasons
>> why that particular program is what I have chosen I personally wouldn?t go
>> anywhere else since they fit my needs/wants perfectly. As I said I did my
>> own research though.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 3 Oct 2019, at 10:08 pm, Emily Brown via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
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>>> What guide dog school would you recommend and why?
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> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 10:50:53 +0000
> From: "Newton, Cherie" <cnewton at itsmarta.com>
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> I'd recommend The Seeing Eye. I got my 4th guide from there this past May-it
> was my first from TSE. While I was waiting I kept being told by TSE staff to
> get the full TSE experience I needed to come there to class. I first thought
> it was some sort of an advertising ploy, but once I was there and had my dog
> for a few days I realized what they'd been saying was true. I was extremely
> impressed with the level of care and detail the instructors put into
> matching me with my wonderful partner and the unparalleled training I
> received.
>
> Having the large class split up with 4 students per instructor who stayed
> with us the entire time created an atmosphere of closeness and comradery I
> don't think I've ever experienced before. My team grew very close and we
> supported each other the entire time-celebrating victories, giving
> encouragement and support during down times and just generally being there
> for each other. Our instructor Ryan was top of the line! In fact every
> instructor in our class was excellent!
>
> You can't control the wind, but you can adjust your sails
>
> Cheers,
>
> Cherie Newton & German Shepherd Guide Astrid
>
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> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 07:12:40 -0400
> From: Dan Weiner <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
> To: "Newton, Cherie via NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Guide Dog Schools
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> all schools go through stages and? so on I'd recommend talking to the
> various schools and seeing who talks to you with respect and takes what
> you say seriously and their responses and so on. You never really know
> that much about how they'll treat you until youapply. Also talk to grads
> which of course, by writing to this list youa re doing...smile.? Problem
> is we all have our opinions based on our experiences, I've met people
> who will love one school and then on the same day talk to someone who
> hates it.
>
>
> I think the guide dog movement is in a transitional stage and I'm not
> sure whom to recommend, the use of treats and clickers and what would
> seem to me a change in training and so on leads me to wonder how things
> will b e in a few years, by the way, not saying either is bad, just
> commenting.
>
> For example, though I have used treats for my own dogs for certain
> things I do get the impression that nowadays quite? a? few of the
> schools have you treat the doggies for just about everything, something
> which I personally wouldnt' want to do if I were training myself.
>
> None of this to bash anyone just saying gather your info, talk to
> people,a nd talk to the schools you are interested in, I recommend
> applying to a few, not just one.
>
> I really hope you kep us in the lloop about all of it, because whenever
> i hear of someone starting out with a dog it reminds me of? the
> emotions, excitement and all the stuff going on when I started out low
> those 25 years ago.
>
> I'd say if I really had to, GDB, GDF, Pilot, Seeing Eye, Freedom, GDA
> (guide dogs of america) I've heard of people also who have success and
> are happy with GEB (guiding eyes).? but then again this is based on
> things I'm looking for or hthings I've
>
>  ?heard, I put those in no particular order it wasn't a ranking--lol?
> also I know people who don't like any of those and like other
> places--smile sorry to be confusing but I think you get my point.
>
>
> I will say that when I applied this time around, though I'm not going to
> the Seeing Eye at present, that the Seeing Eye was very helpful,
> respectful, and professional during the application process,? .
>
>
>
> Yours cordially,
>
>
> Dan W.
>
>
>
> On 10/4/2019 6:50 AM, Newton, Cherie via NAGDU wrote:
>> I'd recommend The Seeing Eye. I got my 4th guide from there this past
>> May-it was my first from TSE. While I was waiting I kept being told by TSE
>> staff to get the full TSE experience I needed to come there to class. I
>> first thought it was some sort of an advertising ploy, but once I was
>> there and had my dog for a few days I realized what they'd been saying was
>> true. I was extremely impressed with the level of care and detail the
>> instructors put into matching me with my wonderful partner and the
>> unparalleled training I received.
>>
>> Having the large class split up with 4 students per instructor who stayed
>> with us the entire time created an atmosphere of closeness and comradery I
>> don't think I've ever experienced before. My team grew very close and we
>> supported each other the entire time-celebrating victories, giving
>> encouragement and support during down times and just generally being there
>> for each other. Our instructor Ryan was top of the line! In fact every
>> instructor in our class was excellent!
>>
>> You can't control the wind, but you can adjust your sails
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Cherie Newton & German Shepherd Guide Astrid
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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