[NAGDU] doggy repo

Tue Mar 9 16:38:21 UTC 2021

Thanks for saying this Mike. I agree wholeheartedly. Regardless of the
backstory, the circumstances are pretty horrible, and there is certainly
reason to believe the lady is 100% truthful given past incidents with
schools. I admit that I was skeptical of this issue when I joined the
organization but I do personally know of folks who have had their dogs
taken from them without good reason, without an appeals process or even a
chance for the handler to defend themselves.

I hope that NAGDU steps up and supports this lady and takes a stand against
this issue generally. As a member of the organization I am happy to support
in any way I can.

- Mike

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 11:21 AM Catherine Clegg via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> All I can say is I second that!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 9, 2021, at 11:11 AM, Mike Hingson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > All,
> >
> > Part of the difficulty here is within our own organization. Do we have
> the commitment to, organizationally speaking, take a stand against such
> things as what happened to this lady? Are we finally ready to take a stand
> against schools retaining ownership and thus demeaning all of us? Are we
> ready to recognize that instead of being beholding to guide dog schools and
> giving them passes when they misbehave as may have happened with South
> Eastern we are ready to recognize that guide dog schools are providing a
> service and that they do not own us?
> >
> > In the past, debates concerning guide dog schools have come up on the
> National convention floor amidst fierce debate due to people feeling we
> should have gratitude toward guide dog schools and not holding these
> schools to a higher standard.
> >
> > NAGDU as a division of the NFB should step in and lead a real effort to
> bring about change in the attitudes toward blind people by guide dog
> schools. This does include real dog ownership, trust of clients and a real
> appeals process if there is a dispute between schools and clients. As we
> are seeing with other aspects of our movement today, we should be
> supporting the lady involved. The school is NOT going to provide NAGDU with
> any more information than it has provided in the past. Has NAGDU reached
> out to the lady who unexpected and, apparently, unreasonably had her guide
> removed? A "neutral investigation" is fine, but there is nothing wrong with
> starting by accepting the word of the victim here and going on from there.
> South Eastern has a track record of improper treatment of others whom it
> says mistreated guide dogs.
> >
> > NAGDU is a consumer organization and should therefore start by accepting
> the word of the consumer and going from there. This situation is not a new
> one. NAGDU should be on the front line in working hard and publicly for
> change. Raul, we have a National convention coming up. I'm happy to help
> you write a resolution defining Federation policy for this. Also, I would
> hope you would be addressing this with President Riccobono and getting
> lawyers involved and reversing this kind of action. This is what you signed
> up for when you accepted the presidency. You do have our support. If people
> won't support you if you take the actions I submitted here then shame on
> them. Either we fight for the rights of blind people or we stop
> complaining. It really is that simple.
> >
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> >
> > Michael Hingson
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NAGDU
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 6:33 AM
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] doggy repo
> >
> > I think we should do something more immediate, like help Rev. Blake
> appeal the seizure of her dog.  Assuming Southeastern has some kind of
> appeal process, if only on paper.
> > Tracy
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jody ianuzzi
> via NAGDU
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2021 9:12 AM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Cc: Jody ianuzzi
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] doggy repo
> >
> > This story is horrifying! There is no way that I would give up a dog
> without a fight.  I would go back in my house and lock the door and tell
> them they have to take legal action. I would go to the media and any other
> means available! There was no way that I would handover my dog under these
> circumstances!
> >
> > I am so glad I got my dog from a  School the grant full ownership to the
> handler when they graduate!
> >
> > I think we have to get the word out and perhaps people will no longer
> apply to southeastern for a dog. See how they handle the situation when
> they have no applicants!
> >
> > JODY
> >
> > To Boldly Go  🖖🏻
> >
> >
> > thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
> >
> > "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS
> Erik Weihenmayer
> >
> >> On Mar 8, 2021, at 10:56 PM, Susan Jones via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Repossessing a dog at that age is CRIMINAL!
> >> And to think they charge $5,000 for a dog that old, a dog that will
> >> most probably have health problems that need attention, and possibly
> >> bonding and fear issues from being separated from a handler they have
> loved for so long!
> >>
> >> Criminal!
> >> Susan
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sandra Johnson via
> >> NAGDU
> >> Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 12:45 PM
> >> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Cc: Sandra Johnson <sljohnson25 at comcast.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] doggy repo
> >>
> >> Marion:
> >>
> >> No wonder they want their grads to retire their dogs when they turn 11
> >> years old,  Every dog returned to them is another $5,000 in their
> pockets.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Marion Gwizdala,
> >> via NAGDU
> >> Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 11:55 AM
> >> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Cc: Marion Gwizdala, <blind411 at verizon.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] doggy repo
> >>
> >> Richard,
> >>
> >>   You ask, "what in the world does a guide dog school do with a five
> >> or six-year-old dog they have taken from a handler?" Well, since this
> >> dog in question was nearly ten years old, it furthers begs the
> >> question. The answer is they adopt it out for $5,000.
> >> https://www.guidedogs.org/public-adoption/),Marion Gwizdala
> >>
> >> Marion Gwizdala
> >> (813) 626-2789
> >> Blind411 at verizon.net
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Richard via NAGDU
> >> Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 10:09 AM
> >> To: NAGDU at nfbnet.org
> >> Cc: richardfiorello716 at gmail.com
> >> Subject: [NAGDU] doggy repo
> >>
> >> This brings up a few rather interesting questions.  What in the world
> >> does a school do with a five or six year old dog that they have taken
> >> from a handler?  Apparently if the dog is under three there is demand
> >> and maybe money from fire departments and similar organizations.  The
> >> one dog that I had to send back the school very much insisted that he
> >> come back prior to three years old and he went into the bomb sniffing
> business.
> >>
> >> As for gdf please understand I have never contacted the school and
> >> have zero first hand knowledge about their program.  When attending
> >> another program a class member was a former gdf graduate.  For the
> >> entire time I was there he kept saying that veterans get the good dogs
> >> and blind people get the left overs.  The only thing that gets me
> >> curious is that I am sure that VA pays a school for whatever dogs they
> >> are taking ownership of.  Has anyone else felt this to be the case or
> was this gentlemen just handing out bad information.
> >>
> >> Richard
> >>
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