[Nfb-science] Nfb-science Digest, Vol 81, Issue 9
Brian Buhrow
buhrow at nfbcal.org
Tue Apr 30 18:02:10 UTC 2013
hello. If you record the interview and only plan to use it for your
own private purposes, you are probably Ok. However, if you do that, you
won't be able to use that recording in any legal proceeding if you decide
you need to go that route. If you record the interview overtly, you'll be
setting up an adversarial situation between you and your interviewers, probably
not a good thing to be doing on your maiden voyage with folks you want to
work with. I suggest giving yourself some time after the interview to
record verbal notes or write notes about the interview rather than
recording the interview itself.
-Brian
On Apr 30, 12:48pm, bzjss at yahoo.com wrote:
} Subject: Re: [Nfb-science] Nfb-science Digest, Vol 81, Issue 9
} Question: what do you guys think about recording the interview ?
}
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} > 1. Re: How and When to Let Prospective Employers Know About
} > Vision Loss (Brian Buhrow)
} > 2. Re: How and When to Let Prospective Employers Know About
} > Vision Loss (Suzanne Germano)
} > 3. Re: How and When to Let Prospective Employers Know About
} > Vision Loss (rhonda cruz)
} > 4. Re: How and When to Let Prospective Employers Know About
} > Vision Loss (Nathanael T. Wales)
} > 5. Re: How and When to Let Prospective Employers Know About
} > Vision Loss (Suzanne Germano)
} > 6. Note of Thanks (Christine Szostak)
} >
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} >
} > Message: 1
} > Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 11:06:06 -0700
} > From: Brian Buhrow <buhrow at nfbcal.org>
} > To: NFB Science and Engineering Division List <nfb-science at nfbnet.org>
} > Subject: Re: [Nfb-science] How and When to Let Prospective Employers
} > Know About Vision Loss
} > Message-ID: <201304291806.r3TI66nB007131 at lothlorien.nfbcal.org>
} >
} > Hello. I agree with most of what Mike Freeman said except that I
} > would suggest disclosing when you arrive at the interview rather than
} > before the interview itself. While it may be the case that if an employer
} > is going to discriminate they're going to do it whether or not you get to
} > the interview, I've found that I'm able to make them feel much more
} > comfortable in person rather than letting them stew and worry about what
} > might be between the time of disclosure and the interview itself. I've done
} > it both ways and I've found that letting them meet me and discovering my
} > blindness when they shake my hand really does work much better.
} > Alo, keep in mind, that it may be that if you're going into a line of
} > work that is a result of your education, chances are good that your
} > prospective colleagues will know who you are and know of your blindness
} > before you even get the application turned in. If this is true and you are
} > liked and respected by them, your blindness will still be an issue, but it
} > will be one everyone is willing to work around and accomodate as best they
} > can. Again, your confidence and comfort level with your blindness will set
} > the tone for everyone to follow. If you don't let it get in your way, they
} > won't either.
} >
} > Hope that helps.
} > -Brian
} >
} > On Apr 27, 3:52pm, "Mike Freeman" wrote:
} > } Subject: Re: [Nfb-science] How and When to Let Prospective Employers Know
} > } Christine:
} > }
} > } Whether to disclose one's blindness depends upon what jobs you are seeking
} > } and, of course, on your preference. In the case of jobs with the Federal
} > } government, it is to your advantage to disclose blindness on the application
} > } as you are then eligible for being hired on Schedule A which is a much less
} > } onerous process -- both for you and for those hiring you.
} > }
} > } In most other cases, I advise disclosing your blindness -- and I would call
} > } it that and if pressed, say you had some remaining vision if this is so --
} > } after you've been scheduled for an interview. I know some people advocate
} > } hitting the employer cold but I believe this to be counterproductive. After
} > } all, you may have to discuss what systems and software are being used and
} > } whether these can be made accessible and/or what reasonable accommodations
} > } you might need. Be prepared to answer questions about your blindness both
} > } before the interview and while it is being conducted but try to steer the
} > } conversation so that your blindness isn't the sole subject of the interview
} > } because this short-changes your opportunity to convince the interviewer that
} > } you are the right person for the job etc.
} > }
} > } Get the interview invitation in writing (email is okay) and, after
} > } disclosure of your blindness, if there are suddenly no positions available
} > } for you, get this in written form also. This lays the groundwork for legal
} > } action should this become necessary.
} > }
} > } Some employers are sufficiently savvy to be reluctant to put things in
} > } writing if they are prejudiced kbut it looks pretty squirrely if they won't
} > } do this.
} > }
} > } Good luck!
} > }
} > } Mike Freeman
} > }
} > }
} > } -----Original Message-----
} > } From: Nfb-science [mailto:nfb-science-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
} > } Christine Szostak
} > } Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 3:21 PM
} > } To: social-sciences-list at nfbnet.org; NFB Science and Engineering Division
} > } List
} > } Subject: [Nfb-science] How and When to Let Prospective Employers Know About
} > } Vision Loss
} > }
} > } Hi All,
} > } I am on the job market right now, and am wondering if others hear could
} > } share when they noted their vision loss (e.g. during the application, after
} > } the application but before the interview, during the interview, after
} > } accepting the job...) with prospective employers. Also, how did you approach
} > } the subject? In other words, how did you let the prospective employer know
} > } of your vision loss (e.g., terminology used, how it was brought up...).
} > } Many thanks,
} > } Christine
} > } Christine M. Szostak
} > } Doctoral Candidate and Research Consultant
} > } Language Perception Laboratory
} > } Department of Psychology, Cognitive Area
} > } The Ohio State University
} > } Columbus, Ohio
} > } szostak.1 at osu.edu
} > } www.soundresearchconsulting.wordpress.com
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} >
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} >
} > ------------------------------
} >
} > Message: 2
} > Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 13:16:34 -0700
} > From: Suzanne Germano <sgermano at asu.edu>
} > To: NFB Science and Engineering Division List <nfb-science at nfbnet.org>
} > Subject: Re: [Nfb-science] How and When to Let Prospective Employers
} > Know About Vision Loss
} > Message-ID:
} > <CAF=_avdoNk0=w17L7HxaUcd4FWcAD-6Qv75YmHNTdJUPAQ7L_g at mail.gmail.com>
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} >
} > I also wonder about this. I am partially sighted and my biggest question
} > comes with careers fairs at my university. Because I don't use a cane or
} > dog my visual impairment is not obvious. I do however have severe light
} > sensitivity so I wear red contacts and squint. So I feel at a career fair I
} > am almost better off telling them about my vision then make them wonder
} > what's up. Is she on drugs? which many people have thought due to the
} > squinting. But I also know that at career fairs they may just weed me out
} > once they know because you don't' get the chance to really explain how it
} > is not a factor on the job.
} >
} > Also on the job hunt front, How does voc rehab view summer internships? Do
} > they consider you employable and stop your eligibility? Also SSDI how do
} > they view it? Does the months just start counting toward the 9 months of
} > substantial gainful employment?
} >
} > I was told in a class that you cannot just graduate with a degree. That you
} > really need internships, research, volunteering etc and I feel especially
} > with our vision we have to almost be far superior as a candiate to get the
} > job.
} >
} >
} > On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Brian Buhrow <buhrow at nfbcal.org> wrote:
} >
} >> Hello. I agree with most of what Mike Freeman said except that I
} >> would suggest disclosing when you arrive at the interview rather than
} >> before the interview itself. While it may be the case that if an employer
} >> is going to discriminate they're going to do it whether or not you get to
} >> the interview, I've found that I'm able to make them feel much more
} >> comfortable in person rather than letting them stew and worry about what
} >> might be between the time of disclosure and the interview itself. I've done
} >> it both ways and I've found that letting them meet me and discovering my
} >> blindness when they shake my hand really does work much better.
} >> Alo, keep in mind, that it may be that if you're going into a line
} >> of
} >> work that is a result of your education, chances are good that your
} >> prospective colleagues will know who you are and know of your blindness
} >> before you even get the application turned in. If this is true and you are
} >> liked and respected by them, your blindness will still be an issue, but it
} >> will be one everyone is willing to work around and accomodate as best they
} >> can. Again, your confidence and comfort level with your blindness will set
} >> the tone for everyone to follow. If you don't let it get in your way, they
} >> won't either.
} >>
} >> Hope that helps.
} >> -Brian
} >>
} >> On Apr 27, 3:52pm, "Mike Freeman" wrote:
} >> } Subject: Re: [Nfb-science] How and When to Let Prospective Employers Know
} >> } Christine:
} >> }
} >> } Whether to disclose one's blindness depends upon what jobs you are
} >> seeking
} >> } and, of course, on your preference. In the case of jobs with the Federal
} >> } government, it is to your advantage to disclose blindness on the
} >> application
} >> } as you are then eligible for being hired on Schedule A which is a much
} >> less
} >> } onerous process -- both for you and for those hiring you.
} >> }
} >> } In most other cases, I advise disclosing your blindness -- and I would
} >> call
} >> } it that and if pressed, say you had some remaining vision if this is so
} >> --
} >> } after you've been scheduled for an interview. I know some people advocate
} >> } hitting the employer cold but I believe this to be counterproductive.
} >> After
} >> } all, you may have to discuss what systems and software are being used and
} >> } whether these can be made accessible and/or what reasonable
} >> accommodations
} >> } you might need. Be prepared to answer questions about your blindness both
} >> } before the interview and while it is being conducted but try to steer the
} >> } conversation so that your blindness isn't the sole subject of the
} >> interview
} >> } because this short-changes your opportunity to convince the interviewer
} >> that
} >> } you are the right person for the job etc.
} >> }
} >> } Get the interview invitation in writing (email is okay) and, after
} >> } disclosure of your blindness, if there are suddenly no positions
} >> available
} >> } for you, get this in written form also. This lays the groundwork for
} >> legal
} >> } action should this become necessary.
} >> }
} >> } Some employers are sufficiently savvy to be reluctant to put things in
} >> } writing if they are prejudiced kbut it looks pretty squirrely if they
} >> won't
} >> } do this.
} >> }
} >> } Good luck!
} >> }
} >> } Mike Freeman
} >> }
} >> }
} >> } -----Original Message-----
} >> } From: Nfb-science [mailto:nfb-science-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
} >> } Christine Szostak
} >> } Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 3:21 PM
} >> } To: social-sciences-list at nfbnet.org; NFB Science and Engineering
} >> Division
} >> } List
} >> } Subject: [Nfb-science] How and When to Let Prospective Employers Know
} >> About
} >> } Vision Loss
} >> }
} >> } Hi All,
} >> } I am on the job market right now, and am wondering if others hear could
} >> } share when they noted their vision loss (e.g. during the application,
} >> after
} >> } the application but before the interview, during the interview, after
} >> } accepting the job...) with prospective employers. Also, how did you
} >> approach
} >> } the subject? In other words, how did you let the prospective employer
} >> know
} >> } of your vision loss (e.g., terminology used, how it was brought up...).
} >> } Many thanks,
} >> } Christine
} >> } Christine M. Szostak
} >> } Doctoral Candidate and Research Consultant
} >> } Language Perception Laboratory
} >> } Department of Psychology, Cognitive Area
} >> } The Ohio State University
} >> } Columbus, Ohio
} >> } szostak.1 at osu.edu
} >> } www.soundresearchconsulting.wordpress.com
} >> } _______________________________________________
} >> } Nfb-science mailing list
} >> } Nfb-science at nfbnet.org
} >> } http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-science_nfbnet.org
} >> } To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
} >> } Nfb-science:
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} >> }
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} >>> -- End of excerpt from "Mike Freeman"
} >>
} >>
} >>
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} >
} > ------------------------------
} >
} > Message: 3
} > Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:17:39 -0700
} > From: rhonda cruz <rhondaprincess at gmail.com>
} > To: NFB Science and Engineering Division List <nfb-science at nfbnet.org>
} > Subject: Re: [Nfb-science] How and When to Let Prospective Employers
} > Know About Vision Loss
} > Message-ID: <6FC67294-2466-4438-8C34-3517BE4C5E6D at gmail.com>
} > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
} >
} > hi i'm totally blind, with a little bit of vision left.
} > but i would tell my future boss in the in the interview.
} > i use a guide dog.
} > so. it works fine.
} > i use voice over.
} > & braille.
} > for reading info.
} > so. i'm looking forward to a job.
} > i'm greatful, that i will be able to work with my family.
} > doing costumer service.
} > work.
} >
} >
} > On Apr 29, 2013, at 1:16 PM, Suzanne Germano wrote:
} >
} >> I also wonder about this. I am partially sighted and my biggest question
} >> comes with careers fairs at my university. Because I don't use a cane or
} >> dog my visual impairment is not obvious. I do however have severe light
} >> sensitivity so I wear red contacts and squint. So I feel at a career fair I
} >> am almost better off telling them about my vision then make them wonder
} >> what's up. Is she on drugs? which many people have thought due to the
} >> squinting. But I also know that at career fairs they may just weed me out
} >> once they know because you don't' get the chance to really explain how it
} >> is not a factor on the job.
} >>
} >> Also on the job hunt front, How does voc rehab view summer internships? Do
} >> they consider you employable and stop your eligibility? Also SSDI how do
} >> they view it? Does the months just start counting toward the 9 months of
} >> substantial gainful employment?
} >>
} >> I was told in a class that you cannot just graduate with a degree. That you
} >> really need internships, research, volunteering etc and I feel especially
} >> with our vision we have to almost be far superior as a candiate to get the
} >> job.
} >>
} >>
} >> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Brian Buhrow <buhrow at nfbcal.org> wrote:
} >>
} >>> Hello. I agree with most of what Mike Freeman said except that I
} >>> would suggest disclosing when you arrive at the interview rather than
} >>> before the interview itself. While it may be the case that if an employer
} >>> is going to discriminate they're going to do it whether or not you get to
} >>> the interview, I've found that I'm able to make them feel much more
} >>> comfortable in person rather than letting them stew and worry about what
} >>> might be between the time of disclosure and the interview itself. I've done
} >>> it both ways and I've found that letting them meet me and discovering my
} >>> blindness when they shake my hand really does work much better.
} >>> Alo, keep in mind, that it may be that if y
}
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