[NFB-Science] NFB-Science Digest, Vol 158, Issue 7
Emily Schlenker
eschlenker at cox.net
Tue Sep 24 14:43:59 UTC 2019
Hi, Kendra. I am sorry I have not gotten on here sooner. I understand why people are excited about technology, but I know you don’t have several semesters set aside for your school to purchase and set up the technology that would ensure a system for accessible documents. First of all, graphing in real time should be fairly straightforward. You need to get a sheet of cork from a craft store, and then you can put a piece of paper on top of it and use a pencil or pen with no more ink to create raised lines. Whoever is drawing needs to just press down a little harder than they normally would. Regular scratch paper is kind of thin, so doing this with braille paper would result in a more robust set of lines that would hold up for longer. They could use a ruler as a straight edge and draw the ex and Y axis with very heavy wide lines and then put the data lines as thinner ones. As for microscopy, what is important is that you know what someone should see when they look at slides. In other words, you should be able to ask educated questions about what someone is seeing so that you can take the answers and use them to deduce what is going on. It is also possible for someone to use all kinds of things to make basic models of the different types of organisms or structures that can be viewed under a microscope. This is not particularly expensive, but it can take some time. The best thing to do is use things with a lot of different textures and shapes and keep the interpretations as simple as possible. Feel free to have your professor contact me, I have been through five chemistry labs, a microbiology lab, and a lab for anatomy as well as one for physiology. I am currently in an ecology class that also has a lab.
Best of luck.
Emily
eschlenker at cox.net
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> On Sep 24, 2019, at 9:16 AM, Kendra Schaber via NFB-Science <nfb-science at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> Hi all!
> I’m also a broke college student and can’t currently afford a Braille embossed. I don’t even know if I can get one through the Oregon Commission for the blind. My school can’t get one either. Unfortunently, they don’t currently have a Braille printer either. I love that idea and it would work if I was as wealthy as Bill Gates. Also, I totally see the sense in it. Therefore, I may have to advocate for one, if I stay on my current major. I’m still trying to sort that out. In the mean time, it still leaves open a major gap. What’s the best low budget way to make and read scientific graphs? Also, I’ve gotten little response in answering my other question. How do I tackle the visible lab equipment? The only one I got wind of so far is a microscope. I’ll pick brains about other equipment once I find out what that is.
>
>
> "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author Unknown.
> Thank you for reading this email! Also, please note that I have eighth grade spelling. I'm well known for spelling mistakes. Ironicly, writing is one of my gifts.
> Blessed Be!
> Kendra Schaber,
> Student of Chemeketa Community College,
> member of 350.ORG Salem,
> Member of the National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter.
> Writing on my Polaris Braille Sense.
> Using both Gmail and Outlook.
> Go Detroit, Red Wings! Go Pittsburgh, Penguins! Go Portland, Winterhawks! Go Baltimore, Oriels! Go Baltimore, Ravens! Go Oregon State Beavers, baseball and football teams!
>
>
>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 05:56, Ashley N via NFB-Science <nfb-science at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> Regarding how you would get the information to Excel that you had asked John Gardener. One way you can do this is to use a Talking LabQuest as depending on what you’re recording, it can likely collect the data automatically putting things into an accessible chart, standard cartisian line graph with statistics, and can be transferred to the computer or ViewPlus Embosser.
>> If you need a format like a pie graph or other chart you can use the text file from the LabQuest to format it in Excel and print out a tactile graphic.
>> All these formats can easily be emailed and seen by a sighted instructor and if they insist on a printout, ViewPlus has an Embosser called Spot Dot that will print a raised line embossing with color underneath that won’t affect your reading or their seeing.
>> As John said in full disclosure I work for Independence Science who sells the LabQuest and we have a package deal with ViewPlus for $1000 off if you get the Embosser and LabQuest together though personally as a blind scientist I would say this is probably the most accurate accessible way to do this.
>> I love raised line drawing tools but I find them better for when a sighted person is showing me something on a board during class than to make your own graphs in an effective manner in terms of readability by others and accuracy. Unless you use a bunch of stencils or draw with much caution your lines can easily become wavy and look childish which isn’t what you want to give a professor as this gives the opportunity to misinterpret them. Also note most of these with the exception of the Tactile Blackboard end up giving either a white line on white paper or a clear line on clear plastic. While this will work great for you because it is raised, outside of TVIs and others used to working with blind people, sighted folks tend to not take kindly to graphs they perceive as all the same color in my experience.
>> I would suggest against just having the assistant draw it as like was pointed out earlier this usurps the intent to have you draw and interpret graphs.
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>> 1. How do I best deal with making graphs and using scientific
>> instruments in my environmental science class? (Kendra Schaber)
>> 2. Re: How do I best deal with making graphs and using
>> scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
>> (John Gardner)
>> 3. Re: How do I best deal with making graphs and using
>> scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
>> (Newton Nguyen)
>> 4. Re: How do I best deal with making graphs and using
>> scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
>> (Kendra Schaber)
>> 5. Re: How do I best deal with making graphs and using
>> scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
>> (Dr Denise M Robinson)
>> 6. Re: How do I best deal with making graphs and using
>> scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
>> (redwing731 at gmail.com)
>> 7. Re: How do I best deal with making graphs and using
>> scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
>> (Elizabeth Mohnke)
>> 8. Re: How do I best deal with making graphs and using
>> scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
>> (Louis Maher)
>> 9. Re: How do I best deal with making graphs and using
>> scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
>> (Louis Maher)
>> 10. Re: How do I best deal with making graphs and using
>> scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
>> (Dr. Denise M Robinson)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:59:42 -0700
>> From: Kendra Schaber
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> , NFB Science and Engineering Division List
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>> Subject: [NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and using
>> scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
>> Message-ID: <3A22C085-D249-4A5B-B94D-B0F9C724FB1B at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
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>> Hi all!
>> I know I don?t post very often in less I run into something major. I ran into something major today for my environmental science class. I wasn?t effected during the first class period itself. When I met up with my science teacher after class during my lunch break, some questions came up that I had some idea on how to answer but was missing critical information. How do I go about making graphs in an environmental science class? According to my science teacher, he informed me that I have to actually turn scientific data and promptly turn it intto a graph. Since I?m blind, there are some major accessability problems around any graph items that come up in any form. I told him to use tables instead of graphs when sending me information electronically. But it still doesn?t answer the question of how to make them. I?m not just talking about the graphs that most see in math classes. I?m talking about things like bar graphs, pie graphs, exponential graphs and simular. How do you all navigate this problem? Also, the other query came up with scientific equipment. One example is microscopes. I said that my in class assistant might be able to look into one for me and give me the information that?s acquired only via looking through a microscope. There might be other tools that I don?t know about, however, it still leaves yet another accessability gap with us blind science students. So, how do I navigate scientific measuring and data colecting instruments? Do I only use my in class aid or will I have to acquire additional tools? Can I use an in class assistant until I can get such tools? The earlier I know this information, the better off I?ll be. Thank you!!!
>>
>>
>> "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author Unknown.
>> Thank you for reading this email! Also, please note that I have eighth grade spelling. I'm well known for spelling mistakes. Ironicly, writing is one of my gifts.
>> Blessed Be!
>> Kendra Schaber,
>> Student of Chemeketa Community College,
>> member of 350.ORG Salem,
>> Member of the National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter.
>> Writing on my Polaris Braille Sense.
>> Using both Gmail and Outlook.
>> Go Detroit, Red Wings! Go Pittsburgh, Penguins! Go Portland, Winterhawks! Go Baltimore, Oriels! Go Baltimore, Ravens! Go Oregon State Beavers, baseball and football teams!
>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 21:08:26 +0000
>> From: John Gardner
>> To: NFB Science and Engineering Division List
>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and
>> using scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
>> Message-ID:
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>> Kendra, you can make all those graphs/charts with Excel, and you can print them using any ViewPlus embosser - including changing labels to braille with the bundled TSS software.
>> John (full disclosure - I am president of ViewPlus)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NFB-Science On Behalf Of Kendra Schaber via NFB-Science
>> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 2:00 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; NFB Science and Engineering Division List
>> Cc: Kendra Schaber
>> Subject: [NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and using scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
>>
>> Hi all!
>> I know I don?t post very often in less I run into something major. I ran into something major today for my environmental science class. I wasn?t effected during the first class period itself. When I met up with my science teacher after class during my lunch break, some questions came up that I had some idea on how to answer but was missing critical information. How do I go about making graphs in an environmental science class? According to my science teacher, he informed me that I have to actually turn scientific data and promptly turn it intto a graph. Since I?m blind, there are some major accessability problems around any graph items that come up in any form. I told him to use tables instead of graphs when sending me information electronically. But it still doesn?t answer the question of how to make them. I?m not just talking about the graphs that most see in math classes. I?m talking about things like bar graphs, pie graphs, exponential graphs and simular. How do you all navigate this problem? Also, the other query came up with scientific equipment. One example is microscopes. I said that my in class assistant might be able to look into one for me and give me the information that?s acquired only via looking through a microscope. There might be other tools that I don?t know about, however, it still leaves yet another accessability gap with us blind science students. So, how do I navigate scientific measuring and data colecting instruments? Do I only use my in class aid or will I have to acquire additional tools? Can I use an in class assistant until I can get such tools? The earlier I know this information, the better off I?ll be. Thank you!!!
>>
>>
>> "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author Unknown.
>> Thank you for reading this email! Also, please note that I have eighth grade spelling. I'm well known for spelling mistakes. Ironicly, writing is one of my gifts.
>> Blessed Be!
>> Kendra Schaber,
>> Student of Chemeketa Community College, member of 350.ORG Salem, Member of the National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter.
>> Writing on my Polaris Braille Sense.
>> Using both Gmail and Outlook.
>> Go Detroit, Red Wings! Go Pittsburgh, Penguins! Go Portland, Winterhawks! Go Baltimore, Oriels! Go Baltimore, Ravens! Go Oregon State Beavers, baseball and football teams!
>>
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 14:09:49 -0700
>> From: Newton Nguyen
>> To: NFB Science and Engineering Division List
>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and
>> using scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
>> Message-ID: <6BAF33B5-37B3-4117-97A5-0FDAB7D76F27 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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>> Dear Kendra,
>>
>> Try a tactile drawing board. I use it for my work and during coursework. You can have your lab assistant draw the graph or plot in real time.
>>
>> Here is the link: https://www.aph.org/product/draftsman-tactile-drawing-board/
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>> I hope this helps, and please let me know if you have any more questions.
>> Best,
>>
>> Newton Nguyen
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 23, 2019, at 1:59 PM, Kendra Schaber via NFB-Science wrote:
>>>
>>> Kendra
>>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 14:38:09 -0700
>> From: Kendra Schaber
>> To: NFB Science and Engineering Division List
>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and
>> using scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
>> Message-ID:
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
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>> Hi John!
>> Can I make these graphs and quickly send them into my science teacher too?
>>
>>
>> "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author Unknown.
>> Thank you for reading this email! Also, please note that I have eighth grade spelling. I'm well known for spelling mistakes. Ironicly, writing is one of my gifts.
>> Blessed Be!
>> Kendra Schaber,
>> Student of Chemeketa Community College,
>> member of 350.ORG Salem,
>> Member of the National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter.
>> Writing on my Polaris Braille Sense.
>> Using both Gmail and Outlook.
>> Go Detroit, Red Wings! Go Pittsburgh, Penguins! Go Portland, Winterhawks! Go Baltimore, Oriels! Go Baltimore, Ravens! Go Oregon State Beavers, baseball and football teams!
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 23, 2019, at 14:08, John Gardner via NFB-Science wrote:
>>>
>>> Kendra, you can make all those graphs/charts with Excel, and you can print them using any ViewPlus embosser - including changing labels to braille with the bundled TSS software.
>>> John (full disclosure - I am president of ViewPlus)
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NFB-Science On Behalf Of Kendra Schaber via NFB-Science
>>> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 2:00 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; NFB Science and Engineering Division List
>>> Cc: Kendra Schaber
>>> Subject: [NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and using scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
>>>
>>> Hi all!
>>> I know I don?t post very often in less I run into something major. I ran into something major today for my environmental science class. I wasn?t effected during the first class period itself. When I met up with my science teacher after class during my lunch break, some questions came up that I had some idea on how to answer but was missing critical information. How do I go about making graphs in an environmental science class? According to my science teacher, he informed me that I have to actually turn scientific data and promptly turn it intto a graph. Since I?m blind, there are some major accessability problems around any graph items that come up in any form. I told him to use tables instead of graphs when sending me information electronically. But it still doesn?t answer the question of how to make them. I?m not just talking about the graphs that most see in math classes. I?m talking about things like bar graphs, pie graphs, exponential graphs and simular. How do you all navigate this problem? Also, the other query came up with scientific equipment. One example is microscopes. I said that my in class assistant might be able to look into one for me and give me the information that?s acquired only via looking through a microscope. There might be other tools that I don?t know about, however, it still leaves yet another accessability gap with us blind science students. So, how do I navigate scientific measuring and data colecting instruments? Do I only use my in class aid or will I have to acquire additional tools? Can I use an in class assistant until I can get such tools? The earlier I know this information, the better off I?ll be. Thank you!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author Unknown.
>>> Thank you for reading this email! Also, please note that I have eighth grade spelling. I'm well known for spelling mistakes. Ironicly, writing is one of my gifts.
>>> Blessed Be!
>>> Kendra Schaber,
>>> Student of Chemeketa Community College, member of 350.ORG Salem, Member of the National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter.
>>> Writing on my Polaris Braille Sense.
>>> Using both Gmail and Outlook.
>>> Go Detroit, Red Wings! Go Pittsburgh, Penguins! Go Portland, Winterhawks! Go Baltimore, Oriels! Go Baltimore, Ravens! Go Oregon State Beavers, baseball and football teams!
>>>
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 19:24:42 -0400
>> From: Dr Denise M Robinson
>> To: NFB Science and Engineering Division List
>> Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> , Kendra Schaber
>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and
>> using scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
>> Message-ID: <5F67F35E-1DC4-4521-BFEF-EA7C734213B4 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> For the graphs Excel is incredibly accessible and you can make any type of graph you need in order to hand in.
>>
>> Sent from Dr Denise M Robinson
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 23, 2019, at 4:59 PM, Kendra Schaber via NFB-Science wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all!
>>> I know I don?t post very often in less I run into something major. I ran into something major today for my environmental science class. I wasn?t effected during the first class period itself. When I met up with my science teacher after class during my lunch break, some questions came up that I had some idea on how to answer but was missing critical information. How do I go about making graphs in an environmental science class? According to my science teacher, he informed me that I have to actually turn scientific data and promptly turn it intto a graph. Since I?m blind, there are some major accessability problems around any graph items that come up in any form. I told him to use tables instead of graphs when sending me information electronically. But it still doesn?t answer the question of how to make them. I?m not just talking about the graphs that most see in math classes. I?m talking about things like bar graphs, pie graphs, exponential graphs and simular. How do you all navigate this problem? Also, the other query came up with scientific equipment. One example is microscopes. I said that my in class assistant might be able to look into one for me and give me the information that?s acquired only via looking through a microscope. There might be other tools that I don?t know about, however, it still leaves yet another accessability gap with us blind science students. So, how do I navigate scientific measuring and data colecting instruments? Do I only use my in class aid or will I have to acquire additional tools? Can I use an in class assistant until I can get such tools? The earlier I know this information, the better off I?ll be. Thank you!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author Unknown.
>>> Thank you for reading this email! Also, please note that I have eighth grade spelling. I'm well known for spelling mistakes. Ironicly, writing is one of my gifts.
>>> Blessed Be!
>>> Kendra Schaber,
>>> Student of Chemeketa Community College,
>>> member of 350.ORG Salem,
>>> Member of the National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter.
>>> Writing on my Polaris Braille Sense.
>>> Using both Gmail and Outlook.
>>> Go Detroit, Red Wings! Go Pittsburgh, Penguins! Go Portland, Winterhawks! Go Baltimore, Oriels! Go Baltimore, Ravens! Go Oregon State Beavers, baseball and football teams!
>>>
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 17:22:44 -0700
>> From: redwing731 at gmail.com
>> To: "'NFB Science and Engineering Division List'"
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and
>> using scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
>> Message-ID: <000d01d5726e$30411bc0$90c35340$@gmail.com>
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>> Hi all!
>> I was looking at tactile graphing boards a few weeks ago only to discover
>> that there is one that APH use to sell that they don't sell any more. I
>> think that particular board isn't being made any more. Do you know of any
>> others that are being produced?
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NFB-Science On Behalf Of Newton
>> Nguyen via NFB-Science
>> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 2:10 PM
>> To: NFB Science and Engineering Division List
>> Cc: Newton Nguyen
>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and using
>> scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
>>
>> Dear Kendra,
>>
>> Try a tactile drawing board. I use it for my work and during coursework. You
>> can have your lab assistant draw the graph or plot in real time.
>>
>> Here is the link:
>> https://www.aph.org/product/draftsman-tactile-drawing-board/
>>
>>
>> I hope this helps, and please let me know if you have any more questions.
>> Best,
>>
>> Newton Nguyen
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 23, 2019, at 1:59 PM, Kendra Schaber via NFB-Science
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Kendra
>>
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 01:03:36 +0000
>> From: Elizabeth Mohnke
>> To: NFB Science and Engineering Division List
>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and
>> using scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
>> Message-ID:
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>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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>> Hello Kendra,
>>
>> Accommodations like these depend on your skills and resources as well as the skills and resources of your college or university. Others have already given you some alternatives for creating graphs that can be handed in to your sighted professor. However, if you do not know how to use the technology they mentioned to you, or you do not have access to it, you can also use a reader or scribe to create graphs using pencil and paper.
>>
>> We were required to create a simple bar graph by hand in my general environmental biology class. However, I found that I had no trouble doing this using the reader who was assigned to work with me when working on lab assignments and other in-class activities. I know some blind students will pair up with another sighted classmate for this sort of thing. But I never found working with other sighted classmates to work well for me.
>>
>> Finally, if you are required to learn how to read and interpret graphs as a part of class, then I am not completely sure how receiving all your course materials as tables will help you accomplish this goal. It seems to me that tactile graphics would be a more suitable alternative as turning graphical information into a table may alter the assignment or course goal of learning how to read and interpret graphs.
>>
>> I hope you can find the best way of dealing with this graphnical information for your class. I feel like tactile graphics should be considered and discussed for any math, science, or statistics class.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NFB-Science [mailto:nfb-science-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kendra Schaber via NFB-Science
>> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 5:00 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; NFB Science and Engineering Division List
>> Cc: Kendra Schaber
>> Subject: [NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and using scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
>>
>> Hi all!
>> I know I don?t post very often in less I run into something major. I ran into something major today for my environmental science class. I wasn?t effected during the first class period itself. When I met up with my science teacher after class during my lunch break, some questions came up that I had some idea on how to answer but was missing critical information. How do I go about making graphs in an environmental science class? According to my science teacher, he informed me that I have to actually turn scientific data and promptly turn it intto a graph. Since I?m blind, there are some major accessability problems around any graph items that come up in any form. I told him to use tables instead of graphs when sending me information electronically. But it still doesn?t answer the question of how to make them. I?m not just talking about the graphs that most see in math classes. I?m talking about things like bar graphs, pie graphs, exponential graphs and simular. How do you all navigate this problem? Also, the other query came up with scientific equipment. One example is microscopes. I said that my in class assistant might be able to look into one for me and give me the information that?s acquired only via looking through a microscope. There might be other tools that I don?t know about, however, it still leaves yet another accessability gap with us blind science students. So, how do I navigate scientific measuring and data colecting instruments? Do I only use my in class aid or will I have to acquire additional tools? Can I use an in class assistant until I can get such tools? The earlier I know this information, the better off I?ll be. Thank you!!!
>>
>>
>> "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author Unknown.
>> Thank you for reading this email! Also, please note that I have eighth grade spelling. I'm well known for spelling mistakes. Ironicly, writing is one of my gifts.
>> Blessed Be!
>> Kendra Schaber,
>> Student of Chemeketa Community College,
>> member of 350.ORG Salem,
>> Member of the National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter.
>> Writing on my Polaris Braille Sense.
>> Using both Gmail and Outlook.
>> Go Detroit, Red Wings! Go Pittsburgh, Penguins! Go Portland, Winterhawks! Go Baltimore, Oriels! Go Baltimore, Ravens! Go Oregon State Beavers, baseball and football teams!
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 02:19:11 +0000
>> From: Louis Maher
>> To: NFB Science and Engineering Division List
>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and
>> using scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
>> Message-ID:
>>
>>
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>> Look at:
>>
>> sensational blackboards
>> 303-238-4760
>> "Sensational Books
>> P.O. Box 261085
>> Lakewood, CO 80226
>>
>> http://sensationalbooks.com/products.html
>>
>> Regards
>> Louis Maher
>> Phone: 713-444-7838
>> E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NFB-Science On Behalf Of Kendra Schaber via NFB-Science
>> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 7:23 PM
>> To: 'NFB Science and Engineering Division List'
>> Cc: redwing731 at gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and using scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
>>
>> Hi all!
>> I was looking at tactile graphing boards a few weeks ago only to discover that there is one that APH use to sell that they don't sell any more. I think that particular board isn't being made any more. Do you know of any others that are being produced?
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NFB-Science On Behalf Of Newton Nguyen via NFB-Science
>> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 2:10 PM
>> To: NFB Science and Engineering Division List
>> Cc: Newton Nguyen
>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and using scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
>>
>> Dear Kendra,
>>
>> Try a tactile drawing board. I use it for my work and during coursework. You can have your lab assistant draw the graph or plot in real time.
>>
>> Here is the link:
>> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aph.org%2Fproduct%2Fdraftsman-tactile-drawing-board%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ccf7d373d6cf04b64a64d08d740858b6b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637048814620668915&sdata=54L%2FQfLGWQEpzqPx0ubfztZWqMFCZVvmUjpqtbO5RaE%3D&reserved=0
>>
>>
>> I hope this helps, and please let me know if you have any more questions.
>> Best,
>>
>> Newton Nguyen
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 23, 2019, at 1:59 PM, Kendra Schaber via NFB-Science
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Kendra
>>
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>> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 02:20:47 +0000
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>> using scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
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>> You can also look at:
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>> http://www.easytactilegraphics.com/
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NFB-Science On Behalf Of Kendra Schaber via NFB-Science
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>> Cc: redwing731 at gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and using scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
>>
>> Hi all!
>> I was looking at tactile graphing boards a few weeks ago only to discover that there is one that APH use to sell that they don't sell any more. I think that particular board isn't being made any more. Do you know of any others that are being produced?
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NFB-Science On Behalf Of Newton Nguyen via NFB-Science
>> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 2:10 PM
>> To: NFB Science and Engineering Division List
>> Cc: Newton Nguyen
>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and using scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
>>
>> Dear Kendra,
>>
>> Try a tactile drawing board. I use it for my work and during coursework. You can have your lab assistant draw the graph or plot in real time.
>>
>> Here is the link:
>> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aph.org%2Fproduct%2Fdraftsman-tactile-drawing-board%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ccf7d373d6cf04b64a64d08d740858b6b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637048814620668915&sdata=54L%2FQfLGWQEpzqPx0ubfztZWqMFCZVvmUjpqtbO5RaE%3D&reserved=0
>>
>>
>> I hope this helps, and please let me know if you have any more questions.
>> Best,
>>
>> Newton Nguyen
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 23, 2019, at 1:59 PM, Kendra Schaber via NFB-Science
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Kendra
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>> Message: 10
>> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 03:51:57 -0400
>> From: "Dr. Denise M Robinson"
>> To: NFB Science and Engineering Division List
>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and
>> using scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
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>> APH still sells the draftsman--every one of our students has one--it is a
>> must education tool
>>
>> * Dr Denise M Robinson*
>>
>> *Denise M Robinson, TVI, PhD*
>>
>> Specialist-Technology/Blind Skills | Teacher of the Blind and Visually
>> Impaired
>> 425-220-6935 | www.yourtechvision.com
>>
>> [image: TechVision Logo]
>> ?Helping the visually impaired see their world changed through technology?
>> "While they were saying among themselves it cannot be done, it was done."
>> --Helen Keller
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 8:23 PM Kendra Schaber via NFB-Science <
>> nfb-science at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all!
>>> I was looking at tactile graphing boards a few weeks ago only to discover
>>> that there is one that APH use to sell that they don't sell any more. I
>>> think that particular board isn't being made any more. Do you know of any
>>> others that are being produced?
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NFB-Science On Behalf Of Newton
>>> Nguyen via NFB-Science
>>> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 2:10 PM
>>> To: NFB Science and Engineering Division List
>>> Cc: Newton Nguyen
>>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and using
>>> scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
>>>
>>> Dear Kendra,
>>>
>>> Try a tactile drawing board. I use it for my work and during coursework.
>>> You
>>> can have your lab assistant draw the graph or plot in real time.
>>>
>>> Here is the link:
>>> https://www.aph.org/product/draftsman-tactile-drawing-board/
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope this helps, and please let me know if you have any more questions.
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Newton Nguyen
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sep 23, 2019, at 1:59 PM, Kendra Schaber via NFB-Science
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Kendra
>>>
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