[nfb-talk] Losing DVS

Fri Jan 16 21:13:03 UTC 2009

So quit your wining at us in the NFB and go change it.  You won't do
that, because then you will not have anything to complain to us about. 

THANKS, WILLIAM

-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of John G. Heim
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 9:27 AM
To: william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net; NFB Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Losing DVS

The fact is that I'm making sense. You can't argue with my logic so you
try 
to make it about me. Well, it's not about me. It's about the NFB doing 
things counter to the best interests of blind people.

The NFB's actions are partially responsible for my losing access to DVS.
Not 
only is it fair for me to complain about that, it's a *good* thing. The
NFB 
has to get back on track. You should take this as constructive
criticism. 
The NFB is never going to improve if everyone just says that whatever it

does is fine.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wm. Ritchhart" <william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Losing DVS

> John,
>
> Instead of wining at us, go forth and campaign for what you believe
you
> need somewhere where it can possible do you some good.  Most of us do
> not share your belief.  So we are not going to try to force people to
do
> what you want.
>
> You could, if you were so inclined, begin lobbying the government for
> what you want.  Before you claim that you cannot manage it as one
> person, you can align yourself with the ACB.  They are of the same
mind
> set as yourself on this issue.
>
> All your posts have done here is reinforce the belief held by most of
us
> that all you really want to do is complain about the NFB.  Take some
> positive action for a change and maybe we will take you more
seriously.
>
>
>
>
> THANKS, WILLIAM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of John G. Heim
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:43 PM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Losing DVS
>
> Exactly!
>
> The National Federation of the Blind -- note the word "blind" in the
> name --
> aligned itself withTV producers to overturn a FCC regulation that
would
> have
> meant that I'd still have DVS.  I lost my access to DVS because the
NFB
> doesn't think it should be mandatory.
>
> Thanks NFB.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Losing DVS
>
>
>> It's only your *OPINION* though that DVS should be mandatory.  You
are
>
>> just mad because the NFB doesn't share your opinion.  Let's be honest
>> about it.
>>
>>
>> In Christ,
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>
>> +-+-+-
>>
>>   Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD.
>> Deuteronomy 6:4
>> ~~~
>> awheeler at neb.rr.com
>> IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
>> Skype: redwheel1
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "John G. Heim" <jheim at math.wisc.edu>
>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 08:47
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Losing DVS
>>
>>
>>> Every time I criticize the NFB, all you people want to do is make it
>>> about
>>> me. Well, as usual, I'm not going to allow that. This is not about
> me.  I
>>> am
>>> going to discuss the issue whether you like it or not!
>>>
>>> I already provided a URL for a page that quotes the TV and movie
>>> producers
>>> using the NFB's own statements in it's legal argument.  These are
>>> *facts*.
>>> If you don't like them, too bad.
>>>
>>> The NFB made a mistake in opposing the mandate for DVS. If the
> mandate
>>> had
>>> continued, I'd have DVS on my digital broadcast today. Now, the best
> you
>>> can
>>> do is argue that the mandate would have been over turned regardless
> of
>>> what
>>> the NFB did. Yet the fact remains that the NFB opposed the mandate
> and
>>> almost certainly contributed to it being over turned.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>; "NFB Talk Mailing List"
>>> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 4:48 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Losing DVS
>>>
>>>
>>>> Ray,
>>>>
>>>> You're wasting your breath on this score.  The party line held by
> some
>>>> organizations is that we oppose DVS, and anyone who stops
supporting
> DVS
>>>> does so because of us.  You've been baited.
>>>>
>>>> Joseph
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 03:50:39PM -0600, Ray Foret jr wrote:
>>>>>With all due respect, sir, you are wrong.  Before explaining why,
> let me
>>>>>suggest that you correct your own misinformation by reading all we
> have
>>>>>to
>>>>>say on the subject in the various Braille Monitors now available on
> our
>>>>>site.  Maybe instead of spouting off in impulsive and emotional
>>>>>irrational
>>>>>anger, you should better aquaint yourself with what we really said
>>>>>first.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>>The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>>>>>
>>>>>"Old friend, what are you looking for?  After those many years
> abroad
>>>>>you
>>>>>come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away from your
> own
>>>>>land"
>>>>>George Seferis
>>>>>
>>>>>Phone or Fax::
>>>>>+1 (985) 360-3375
>>>>>e-mail:
>>>>>rforetjratcomcastdotnet
>>>>>Skype Name:
>>>>>barefootedray
>>>>
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