[nfb-talk] NFB Centers and Rock Climbing
awheeler at neb.rr.com
Thu Oct 15 16:55:49 UTC 2009
Hmmm, biased against the centers, are we?
Personally, I think it's a nice approach, and they don't act like nazis or
dictators about it, either.
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From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
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> the gobbly goop explanation is that you will gain confidence from the rock
> climbing so you can transfer that to other tasks that seem impossible to
> Bryan Schulz
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> From: "John G. Heim" <jheim at math.wisc.edu>
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>> I'm unclear as to the purpose of these centers? Do people go to them for
>> the opportunity to do things like rock climbing? Because I would imagine
>> that if the NFB didn't provide opportunities like that, it would be very
>> difficult to find them otherwise. I can't imagine most rock climbing
>> places letting blind people participate. Heck, one time I tried to sign
>> up for a wood working class and they kicked me out when they found out I
>> was blind.
>> But if a person wants to work on his job and mobility skills, he
>> shouldn't be forced to climb rocks. I wouldn't have a problem with state
>> governments supporting recreational facilities for the blind. But if
>> these centers are intended primarily as rehab centers, then they
>> shouldn't be forcing people to climb rocks.
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>> From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
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>>> Hello Jim and listers,
>>> Okay let me take a stab at this one. I'll insert my comments
>>> yours and will indicate them with the letter A. Here goes:
>>> Hello all!
>>> Do all NFB centers insist that clients rock climb? I'm referring to the
>>> three NFB centers in Minnesota, Colorado, and Louisiana as well as
>>> which are a part of a state's rehab program as is the case in Iowa and
>>> A. Yes
>>> Can a client be exempt from this exercise due to health, age or
>>> other complications?
>>> Each case is considered on an individual basis.
>>> Have people been denied services from all of the above
>>> agencies if they refused to rock climb or they obtained a doctor's
>>> that they shouldn't engage in such activity?
>>> Recall the discussion of informed choice we've had from time-to-time.
>>> These centers have a set curriculum students are required to take
>>> participation in recreational activities such as rock climbing. Such
>>> exemptions could be viewed as attempts by center students to "Menuize"
>>> training. They never realize the full benefit of the program if they
>>> to "Water down" these center curriculums by requesting exemptions from
>>> or that part of the training. Here again each case is considered on an
>>> individual basis.
>>> What exempts people from this
>>> activity and if they are exempt, can they still receive services from
>>> NFB agencies?
>>> Much of my answer can be found above but I'll add here that if a
>>> chooses not to participate in a class or activity all center students
>>> attend or take part in they should reconsider their choice of
>>> and adjustment center if they're unwilling to participate in the entire
>>> center curriculum.
>>> A friend of mine returned from one of these centers. He has a badly
>>> sprained leg or he has pulled ligaments in his leg! Needless to say, he
>>> out of the program or is immobile for an undetermined amount of time!
>>> person was otherwise happy with the program and I commend this person
>>> giving it a good try but I think there comes a time when a person my age
>>> is twice 30 shouldn't attempt such a thing! If I were in my 20s and
>>> 30s, I
>>> wouldn't question this but when one is in their late 40s and beyond, I'd
>>> question whether this is such a good idea!
>>> Any thoughts?A.
>>> Our centers have had students in their 80s participate in roc
>>> skydiving, and other high-impact activities. There are several accounts
>>> blind senior citizens that attended our centers and participated in all
>>> aspects of their programs and had a darn good time doing so published in
>>> Braille Monitor. Your friend needs to not allow his accident prevent him
>>> from returning to the NFB center to finish his training. There are
>>> accounts of students who due to accident or illness were unable to
>>> the initial part of their training but returned later to finish. This
>>> not be a problem.
>>> As far as doctors exemptions go remember that health care
>>> are influanced by the same prevailing attitudes and beliefs about
>>> and our capabilities as is the general public. It would be easy for a
>>> to "issue a letter requesting that a student not be required to
>>> in this or that part of the center program due to these mistaken
>>> and beliefs about the blind. What happens if that same doctor is
>>> with a health report for a blind individual in their 80s wishing to
>>> attend a
>>> sports camp where rock climbing is one of the activities offered and
>>> patient chooses to participate in that activity. There's the possibility
>>> that the doctor may discourage this person from engaging in rock
>>> even though the person is healthy. They can thank the patient who
>>> believed that older blind individuals shouldn't participate in this
>>> activity. Let me recommend that you take some rock climbing lessons and
>>> reread your post.
>>> I hope I was able to shed some light on this issue for you. All the
>>> Peter Donahue
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