[nfb-talk] NFB Centers and Rock Climbing

David Andrews dandrews at visi.com
Fri Oct 16 14:52:36 UTC 2009


Brian:

The explanation for most people is that it is true.  It does boost 
their confidence, and help them in unforeseen ways.

Do you have personal experience that it doesn't work, or are you just 
being skeptical and taking a cheap shot?

Dave

At 11:14 AM 10/15/2009, you wrote:
>hi,
>
>the gobbly goop explanation is that you will gain confidence from 
>the rock climbing so you can transfer that to other tasks that seem 
>impossible to you.
>
>Bryan Schulz
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "John G. Heim" <jheim at math.wisc.edu>
>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:03 AM
>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] NFB Centers and Rock Climbing
>
>
>>I'm unclear as to the purpose of these centers? Do people go to 
>>them for the opportunity to do things like rock climbing?  Because 
>>I would imagine that if the NFB didn't provide opportunities like 
>>that, it would be very difficult to find them otherwise. I can't 
>>imagine most rock climbing places letting blind people participate. 
>>Heck, one time I tried to sign up for a wood working class and they 
>>kicked me out when they found out I was blind.
>>
>>But if a person wants to work on his job and mobility skills, he 
>>shouldn't be forced to climb rocks. I wouldn't have a problem with 
>>state governments supporting recreational facilities for the blind. 
>>But if these centers are intended primarily as rehab centers, then 
>>they shouldn't be forcing people to climb rocks.
>>
>>---- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:17 PM
>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] NFB Centers and Rock Climbing
>>
>>
>>>Hello Jim and listers,
>>>
>>>    Okay let me take a stab at this one. I'll insert my comments following
>>>yours and will indicate them with the letter A. Here goes:
>>>
>>>Hello all!
>>>
>>>Do all NFB centers insist that clients rock climb?  I'm referring to the
>>>three NFB centers in Minnesota, Colorado, and Louisiana as well as centers
>>>which are a part of a state's rehab program as is the case in Iowa and
>>>Nebraska?
>>>
>>>A. Yes
>>>
>>>  Can a client be exempt from this exercise due to health, age or
>>>other complications?
>>>
>>>A.
>>>    Each case is considered on an individual basis.
>>>
>>>Have people been denied services from all of the above
>>>agencies if they refused to rock climb or they obtained a doctor's statement
>>>that they shouldn't engage in such activity?
>>>
>>>A.
>>>    Recall the discussion of informed choice we've had from time-to-time.
>>>These centers have a set curriculum students are required to take including
>>>participation in recreational activities such as rock climbing.     Such
>>>exemptions could be viewed as attempts by center students to "Menuize" the
>>>training. They never realize the full benefit of the program if they attempt
>>>to "Water down" these center curriculums by requesting exemptions from this
>>>or that part of the training. Here again each case is considered on an
>>>individual basis.
>>>
>>>  What exempts people from this
>>>activity and if they are exempt, can they still receive services from our
>>>NFB agencies?
>>>
>>>    A.
>>>    Much of my answer can be found above but I'll add here that if a student
>>>chooses not to participate in a class or activity all center students must
>>>attend or take part in they should reconsider their choice of orientation
>>>and adjustment center if they're unwilling to participate in the entire
>>>center curriculum.
>>>
>>>A friend of mine returned from one of these centers.  He has a badly
>>>sprained leg or he has pulled ligaments in his leg!  Needless to say, he is
>>>out of the program or is immobile for an undetermined amount of time! This
>>>person was otherwise happy with the program and I commend this person for
>>>giving it a good try but I think there comes a time when a person my age who
>>>is twice 30 shouldn't attempt such a thing!  If I were in my 20s and 30s, I
>>>wouldn't question this but when one is in their late 40s and beyond, I'd
>>>question whether this is such a good idea!
>>>
>>>Any thoughts?A.
>>>
>>>    Our centers have had students in their 80s participate in roc climbing,
>>>skydiving, and other high-impact activities. There are several accounts of
>>>blind senior citizens that attended our centers and participated in all
>>>aspects of their programs and had a darn good time doing so published in The
>>>Braille Monitor. Your friend needs to not allow his accident prevent him
>>>from returning to the NFB center to finish his training. There are numerous
>>>accounts of students who due to accident or illness were unable to complete
>>>the initial part of their training but returned later to finish. This should
>>>not be a problem.
>>>
>>>    As far as doctors exemptions go remember that health care professionals
>>>are influanced by the same prevailing attitudes and beliefs about blindness
>>>and our capabilities as is the general public. It would be easy for a doctor
>>>to "issue a letter requesting that a student not be required to participate
>>>in this or that part of the center program due to these mistaken attitudes
>>>and beliefs about the blind. What happens if that same doctor is presented
>>>with a health report for a blind individual in their 80s wishing to attend a
>>>sports camp where rock climbing is one of the activities offered and that
>>>patient chooses to participate in that activity. There's the possibility
>>>that the doctor may discourage this person from engaging in rock climbing
>>>even though the person is healthy. They can thank the patient who mistakenly
>>>believed that older blind individuals shouldn't participate in this
>>>activity. Let me recommend that you take some rock climbing lessons and then
>>>reread your post.
>>>
>>>    I hope I was able to shed some light on this issue for you. All the
>>>best.
>>>
>>>Peter Donahue





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