[nfb-talk] my ideas for ending SSI & SSDI

Thu Apr 29 16:15:37 UTC 2010

Well that was 40 years ago and the company went out of business shortly 
after when they were investigated by the Better Business Bureau for 
questionable business practices.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] my ideas for ending SSI & SSDI


>I think it would be difficult to regulate that kind of stupidity out of 
>existence.  Moreover, the attempt is somewhat dangerous, because the power 
>of the government to control what is in your employer's sales script for a 
>telemarketer is most fundamentally an infringement of free speech.
>
> I'd never work for a person who attempted to use my disability to make a 
> buck.  I don't know many who would.  Exposure tends to end such practices 
> without government intervention, most of the time.
>
> There is danger in under-regulation, but I don't think this example holds 
> very well.  I don't believe you can legislate or regulate morality or 
> common sense.  If you could, Congress would be illegal.
>
> No, such lessons must be taught by hitting the people like your lightbulb 
> salesman where it counts—right in the pocketbook.
>
> Joseph
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 02:04:25AM -0700, ckrugman at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>>The concern that needs to be raised about relying on private industries 
>>without adequate regulation is the potential exploitation that still 
>>occurs in the name of charity through ventures such as sheltered work 
>>shops and the like. When I was in high school a company advertised in 
>>hclassified ads for telemarketers to sell light bulbs and other products. 
>>The catch was they would hire people with disabilities and required their 
>>telemarketers to identify themselves as a disabled person in the course of 
>>making calls. Of course, I didn't want the job that badly to stoop to that 
>>level.
>>Chuck
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter" 
>><carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:33 PM
>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] my ideas for ending SSI & SSDI
>>
>>
>>>Indeed I would oppose the removal of the minimum wage for people with 
>>>disabilities, and I recognize that raising the minimum wage results in 
>>>fewer jobs available to those who need them.
>>>
>>>If we're bellyaching here about how a tax exemption makes people think we 
>>>are incapable of being equal, how does being exempt from the minimum wage 
>>>or government subsidized employment make us look?  That's a giant leap 
>>>backward, in my opinion.  That's especially true when you start 
>>>considering the government paperwork and bureaucracy involved in such a 
>>>program.
>>>
>>>What John doesn't seem to get was that the NFB was founded to bring about 
>>>the END what he proposes to create.  Maybe the notion that you do the 
>>>same work for less pay and don't dare question the voc rehab agency that 
>>>(literally) feeds you is acceptable to some members of the Progressive 
>>>Party who would gladly give government total power and zero oversight. 
>>>The rest of us have heard and lived enough government horror stories to 
>>>politely decline.
>>>
>>>Not that politely declining means anything to the Progressive Party. 
>>>They'll ram it through no matter what, because them having a dictatorship 
>>>is good for you.
>>>
>>>Joseph
>>>
>>>
>>>On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 10:11:51AM -0700, ckrugman at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>>>>The modification of minimum wage laws would actually be a step backward 
>>>>as it undermines equal pay for equal work and would not receive support 
>>>>from organized labor. Either we are competing equally in the work force 
>>>>or not competing. You can't have it both ways.
>>>>Chuck
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "John G. Heim" <jheim at math.wisc.edu>
>>>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:07 AM
>>>>Subject: [nfb-talk] my ideas for ending SSI & SSDI
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Well, technically, these are not ideas for ending SSI and SSDI.
>>>>>
>>>>>1. Companies should get tax credits for hiring someone on SSI or SSDI 
>>>>>equal to the amount the person would have received if they'd stayed on 
>>>>>SSI or SSDI. The tax credit could last for one year, two years, 
>>>>>three --  whatever it takes. Note that this idea is revenue neutral. Of 
>>>>>course, someone would have to be on SSI or SSDI in order to go off SSI 
>>>>>or SSDI this way. So my idea doesn't do away with SSI and SSDI. But we 
>>>>>don't really want to do that anyway because some people simply cannot 
>>>>>work and can never come off SSI or SSDI.
>>>>>
>>>>>2. Waive minimum wage laws for people on SSI or SSDI for 2 or 3 years 
>>>>>after they are hired.  The disabled person would continue to get SSI or 
>>>>>SSDI while they're working because they'd only be making $1 an hour (or 
>>>>>whatever).
>>>>>
>>>>>
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