[nfb-talk] Here We Go Again

Sat Dec 4 16:49:10 UTC 2010

Bryan,

I think blind people have to be willing to start somewhere.  Does it take
more time at first?  Certainly.  People have not denied this, but your
rhetoric would make us believe that the initial extra time makes the
occupation not even worth considering.  The only way anyone ever gets good
at anything is through time and practice, and if people never try to start
somewhere, the would-be employers will never be willing to give people a
chance.  If I may ask, what field do you work in, and how difficult was it
for you to instill confidence in your employers to give you a fair shake?
I'm not challenging you as much as hoping to help you see that we should not
lay out blanket statements that might otherwise discourage people from
pursuing their chosen line of work the same way you would not have wanted
others to discourage you from your chosen field.

Regards,

Joe

"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing 

-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 11:30 AM
To: NFB Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again

don't know what you are talking about but seems like there are 
far more that 
don't want to accept the fact that alternative techniques to 
accomplish the 
same task as a sighted builder will take more time.

Bryan Schulz

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gloria Whipple" <fairyfoot at webband.com>
To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again

> He is just like the other one we talked about on the phone.
>
> They don't want to admit the truth.
>
>
> Gloria Whipple
> Corresponding Secretary
> Inland Empire chapter
> nfb of WA
>
> cell number: 509-475-4993
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 8:05 AM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>
> Maybe it's you who doesn't get our point.  I feel like I 
would make more
> progress convencing a brick wall.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>
> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>
> Skype Name:
> barefootedray
>
> On Dec 4, 2010, at 9:58 AM, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>
>> everyone doesn't get the speed point.
>> how much extra time did it take him compared to same skill 
of a sighted
> builder and how much material had to be recut?
>>
>> Bryan Schulz
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Constance Canode"
> <satin-bear at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 9:32 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>
>>
>>> We have a very close friend, totally blind who can do just about
> anything. He repairs cars, he remodeled his basement, rebuilding the 
> steps,
> and recently built us a porch on the back of our house.  He built a
> beautiful deck on his own house and did it single-handedly.  He does
> electrical work, plumbing and just about anything else you 
can name.  I 
> wish
> my husband could do what he can do.  It would have saved us a 
ton of money
> years ago before I knew him.  Of course we paid for the 
porch, but since 
> he
> is a friend, we made a good deal.  Never under-estimate the 
ability of a
> competent blind person.  With the right tools and knowledge, 
you can do
> whatever you choose.
>>>
>>> Connie Canode
>>> At 09:13 AM 12/4/2010, you wrote:
>>>> Brian,
>>>>
>>>> Get a life.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gloria Whipple
>>>> Corresponding Secretary
>>>> Inland Empire chapter
>>>> nfb of WA
>>>>
>>>> cell number: 509-475-4993
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
>>>> Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 8:11 PM
>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>
>>>> And what would you propose?  Leaving things the way they 
are?  Don't 
>>>> you
>>>> think there are any blind people actually involved in the 
building of
> their
>>>> own homes?  Could it be that you don't think we do much of 
anything?
> Oh, of
>>>> course.  Sit in rocking chairs and listen to our state 
provided reading
>>>> radio service.  Yeah, that's the life for sure.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>
>>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>>>
>>>> Skype Name:
>>>> barefootedray
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 8:09 PM, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > wishful thinking...
>>>> > people here have no clue what happens in the one week build.
>>>> > a relative worked on one and there were all kind of worksmanship 
>>>> > f-ups
>> and
>>>> people running everywhere.
>>>> > you really think a blind guy is going to carry sheets of 
drywall with
>>>> material and tools all over the site without falling?
>>>> > you don't get the pace.  just like there is a blind guy 
who owns a >
> racing
>>>> team but doesn't do the actual repair during race day due 
to the time
>>>> limits.
>>>> >
>>>> > Bryan Schulz
>>>> >
>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Constance Canode"
>>>> <satin-bear at sbcglobal.net>
>>>> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 7:43 PM
>>>> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >> Ray, that is an absolutely awesome idea.  Now if we can 
implement 
>>>> >> it,
>>>> people would certainly get a different perspective on what 
blind people
> are
>>>> really like.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Connie Canode
>>>> >> At 11:43 AM 12/3/2010, you wrote:
>>>> >>> YOu know Peter, I was just kind of thinking.  I know 
of only one 
>>>> >>> way
>>>> to
>>>> stop this.  What we need to do is get some independent and 
competent
> blind
>>>> people on the make over crew.  Once we do that, maybe 
they'll get the
> idea.
>>>> Barring that, maybe we ought to have some competent blind people at
> least
>>>> helping out on a make-over project; since I'm sure they 
wouldn't let us
>>>> officially be part of what I presume bills itself as a professional
>>>> make-over crew.
>>>> >>> Thoughts?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Sincerely,
>>>> >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Skype Name:
>>>> >>> barefootedray
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Peter Donahue wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> > Hello John and everyone,
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >    If you take the time to read the message I sent 
concerning an
>>>> >>> experience
>>>> >>> > we had when looking for an apartment last spring 
you'd understand
>>>> > why
>>>> > the
>>>> >>> > red flags are flying. If Extreme Make-Over Home 
Edition continues
>>>> >>> to portray
>>>> >>> > us as helpless unable to live on our own without major
>>>> >>> modifications to the
>>>> >>> > home environment or a presumed dependency on a 
million gadgets >
>>>> incidents
>>>> >>> > like the one I described in my message earlier this 
morning will
>>>> >>> continue to
>>>> >>> > happen to blind people seeking housing. While we 
can't prove that
>>>> > the
>>>> >>> > manager at that apartment complex was influenced by 
an episode of
>>>> >>> this show
>>>> >>> > where a blind person or a couple were featured if 
this TV network
>>>> >>> continues
>>>> >>> > to cast us as unable to manage our own home they'll 
certainly be
>>>> >>> suspect in
>>>> >>> > my book.
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > Peter Donahue
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >>> > From: "John Heim" <john at johnheim.net>
>>>> >>> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >>> > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 9:40 AM
>>>> >>> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > Well, I'd presume because you don't make a lot of money as a
>>>> disability
>>>> >>> > advocate.
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >>> > From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
>>>> >>> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >>> > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 8:40 PM
>>>> >>> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >> I feel the same way.  First question that came to find...If 
>>>> >>> >> these
>>>> >>  >>
>>>> people
>>>> >>> >> are
>>>> >>> >> so fantastic and can motivate everyone to get past their
>>>> disabilities, >> and
>>>> >>> >> they have learned so much in the four years they've 
been blind,
>>>> >> why
>>>> >> can't
>>>> >>> >> they maintain their house so it isn't falling down 
around them?
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> >> Cindy
>>>> >>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >>> >> From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>> >>> >> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >>> >> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 9:16 PM
>>>> >>> >> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> >> I hate to be this way, but, how come I'm already 
skepticle? >>>
>>> Anyone
>>>> >> care
>>>> >>> >> to
>>>> >>> >> guess why?
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> >> Sincerely,
>>>> >>> >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> >> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> >> Skype Name:
>>>> >>> >> barefootedray
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> >> On Dec 2, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Ryan O wrote:
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >>> >>> Q From: Mary Watkins
>>>> >>> >>> To: MAG_News at mail4.wgbh.org
>>>> >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 1:06 PM
>>>> >>> >>> Subject: WGBH's Media Access Group Encourages 
Tuning into ABC'S
>>>> >>>  >>>
>>>> "Extreme
>>>> >>> >>> Makeover: Home Edition" on Sunday, December 5
>>>> >>> >>>
>>>> >>> >>> WGBH's Media Access Group Encourages Tuning into 
ABC'S "Extreme
>>>> >>>  >>>
>>>> Makeover:
>>>> >>> >>> Home Edition"
>>>> >>> >>> on Sunday, December 5 (8-9pm, EST)
>>>> >>> >>>
>>>> >>> >>> The Media Access Group at WGBH encourages all 
those interested
> in
>>>> >>> >>> inclusive
>>>> >>> >>> technology for people who are blind or have low 
vision to tune
>>>> >>> into
>>>> >>> >>> "Extreme
>>>> >>> >>> Makeover: Home Edition" this Sunday evening, 
December 5. While
> we
>>>> >>> can't
>>>> >>> >>> provide any specific information on what will be 
seen and heard
>>>> >>> (it
>>>> >>> would
>>>> >>> >>> spoil the surprise!), the episode promises to create much
> greater
>>>> >>> >>> awareness
>>>> >>> >>> of the services and products now available for 
people who have
>>>> >>>  >>>
>>>> limited or
>>>> >>> >>> no
>>>> >>> >>> sight.
>>>> >>> >>>
>>>> >>> >>> Here is the information the production company has 
released in
>>>> >>>  >>>
>>>> advance
>>>> >>> >>> about
>>>> >>> >>> this episode:
>>>> >>> >>>
>>>> >>> >>> The "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition" team has 
selected the >>>
>>>> Anderson
>>>> >>> >>> Family
>>>> >>> >>> in Cleveland, Ohio. The family of four answered 
the call to >>>
>>>> action
>>>> >>> when
>>>> >>> >>> they
>>>> >>> >>> inspired the community to heighten their awareness 
of the >>>
>>>> obstacles
>>>> >>> >>> facing
>>>> >>> >>> the disabled in their community. Diving headlong into their
> work,
>>>> >>> Andre
>>>> >>> >>> and
>>>> >>> >>> Jasmine have dedicated their time to supporting 
and counseling
>>>> >>> the
>>>> >>> >>> disabled
>>>> >>> >>> by connecting them with resources to help them 
live and lead
> more
>>>> >>> >>> independent lives. The Andersons have proven to be the
> definitive
>>>> >>> role
>>>> >>> >>> models as they themselves lost their sight 4 years ago.
>>>> >>> >>>
>>>> >>> >>> Empowered by their own obstacles, Andre and 
Jasmine have never
>>>> >>> let
>>>> >>> >>> anything
>>>> >>> >>> slow them down. Together they have teamed to 
complete grad >>>
>>>> school,
>>>> >>> run a
>>>> >>> >>> center for people with disabilities, created a 
support group,
> and
>>>> all
>>>> >>> >>> while
>>>> >>> >>> balancing life at home with their 2 boys (one of whom is 
>>>> >>> >>> hearing
>>>> >>> >>> impaired).
>>>> >>> >>> Despite having lost their sight after their sons, 
Jasison and
>>>> Jahzion
>>>> >>> >>> were
>>>> >>> >>> born, Andre and Jasmine have rallied back and have embraced
> their
>>>> >>> >>> reality.
>>>> >>> >>> While they continue to empower their community, 
the family has
>>>> >>> hit a
>>>> >>> >>> rough
>>>> >>> >>> patch. Their home is falling apart around them and it has 
>>>> >>> >>> become
>>>> >>> >>> complicated
>>>> >>> >>> and hazardous for them to live in especially in 
the face of how
>>>> their
>>>> >>> >>> needs
>>>> >>> >>> continue to grow.
>>>> >>> >>>
>>>> >>> >>> On September 29th the Andersons will have some 
changes in sight
>>>> >>> when
>>>> >>> Ty
>>>> >>> >>> Pennington, designers Michael Maloney, Tracy 
Huston, and Xzibit
>>>> >>>  >>>
>>>> deliver a
>>>> >>> >>> "Smart House" in just 7 days. Local builders 
Marous Brothers 
>>>> >>> >>>  >>>
>>>> Construction
>>>> >>> >>> and community volunteers will rebuild the 
structure and give
> them
>>>> the >>> key
>>>> >>> >>> to
>>>> >>> >>> live above and beyond their wildest dreams. The 
Andersons will
>>>> >>>  >>>
>>>> vacation
>>>> >>> >>> in
>>>> >>> >>> Crested Butte, Colorado.
>>>> >>> >>>
>>>> >>> >>> About "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition"
>>>> >>> >>> The Emmy-award winning reality program "Extreme 
Makeover: Home
>>>> >>>  >>>
>>>> Edition,"
>>>> >>> >>> now
>>>> >>> >>> in its 8th season, is produced by Endemol USA, a 
division of 
>>>> >>> >>>  >>>
>>>> Endemol
>>>> >>> >>> Holding. It's executive-produced Brady Connell and 
George >>>
>>>> Verschoor.
>>>> >>> >>> David
>>>> >>> >>> Goldberg is Chairman, Endemol North America. The 
show airs >>>
>>>> Sundays
>>>> >>> from
>>>> >>> >>> 8:00-9:00 p.m., ET on ABC.
>>>> >>> >>>
>>>> >>> >>> About the Media Access Group at WGBH
>>>> >>> >>> The Media Access Group at WGBH, which includes a 
Services >>>
>>>> division
>>>> >>> and a
>>>> >>> >>> research and development division--the Carl and 
Ruth Shapiro 
>>>> >>> >>>  >>>
>>>> Family
>>>> >>> >>> National
>>>> >>> >>> Center for Accessible Media--has pioneered and 
delivered >>> 
>>>> >>> >>>  >>>
> captioned
>>>> >>> and
>>>> >>> >>> described media for nearly four decades to people in their
> homes,
>>>> >>> >>> classrooms, at work and in the community. And the 
Media Access
>>>> >>> Group
>>>> >>> >>> continues to develop new solutions to access 
challenges as >>>
>>>> technology,
>>>> >>> >>> and
>>>> >>> >>> the way we all consume media, evolve. Members of 
the group's 
>>>> >>> >>>  >>>
>>>> collective
>>>> >>> >>> staff represent the leading experts in their 
fields and their
>>>> success >>> is
>>>> >>> >>> exemplified by a history of accomplishments and 
continuous >>>
>>>> growth,
>>>> >>> the
>>>> >>> >>> integration of innovative products and services 
into society at
>>>> >>>  >>>
>>>> large,
>>>> >>> >>> and
>>>> >>> >>> the enthusiastic support of the audiences served, 
including 36
>>>> >>>  >>>
>>>> million
>>>> >>> >>> people who are deaf, hard of hearing, blind or 
have low vision.
>>>> >>> More
>>>> >>> >>> information about the Media Access Group at WGBH 
can be found
> at:
>>>> >>> >>> http://access.wgbh.org.
>>>> >>> >>>
>>>> >>> >>> Contact:
>>>> >>> >>> Mary Watkins
>>>> >>> >>> mary_watkins at wgbh.org
>>>> >>> >>> 617 300-3700
>>>> >>> >>>
>>>> >>> >>>
>>>> >>> >>> RyanO
>>>> >>> >>>
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