[nfb-talk] Here We Go Again

Bryan Schulz b.schulz at sbcglobal.net
Sat Dec 4 17:08:50 UTC 2010


not the exact connection.
does a hospital hire a blind surgeon and a person to tell him what he is 
about to slice?
no, and i don't know how the guy 30 years ago talked the employer into 
hiring another to do everything for him.

Bryan Schulz

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Constance Canode" <satin-bear at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again


> What about this parallel.  Do you think that Senators and congress people 
> do not have assistants.  And what about lawyers.  Do you think that 
> paralegals are not assisting them?  Even doctors have assistants.
>
> Connie Canode
> At 10:34 AM 12/4/2010, you wrote:
>>so you also will not possibly accept that the blind builder will take more 
>>time to do the same task at the same skill.
>>
>>how about this parallel, i know a man who worked for state govt for 30 
>>years and had an assistant the whole time.
>>what boss in this era would hire two people to do the same job as one 
>>could?
>>
>>Bryan Schulz
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:18 AM
>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>
>>
>>>Brian,
>>>
>>>Why do you believe that a blind carpenter cannot perform as well as a
>>>sighted one?  Why do you assume that it will naturally take more time and
>>>have more waste?  You're refusing to see that a blind person can do the 
>>>job
>>>equally as well as a sighted person, given the training and experience. 
>>>It
>>>really seems that you believe blindness necessarily means inferiority. 
>>>It
>>>doesn't.
>>>
>>>Cindy
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Schulz" 
>>><b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
>>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:58 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>
>>>
>>>everyone doesn't get the speed point.
>>>how much extra time did it take him compared to same skill of a sighted
>>>builder and how much material had to be recut?
>>>
>>>Bryan Schulz
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Constance Canode" 
>>><satin-bear at sbcglobal.net>
>>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 9:32 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>
>>>
>>>>We have a very close friend, totally blind who can do just about 
>>>>anything.
>>>>He repairs cars, he remodeled his basement, rebuilding the steps, and
>>>>recently built us a porch on the back of our house.  He built a 
>>>>beautiful
>>>>deck on his own house and did it single-handedly.  He does electrical
>>>>work, plumbing and just about anything else you can name.  I wish my
>>>>husband could do what he can do.  It would have saved us a ton of money
>>>>years ago before I knew him.  Of course we paid for the porch, but since
>>>>he is a friend, we made a good deal.  Never under-estimate the ability 
>>>>of
>>>>a competent blind person.  With the right tools and knowledge, you can 
>>>>do
>>>>whatever you choose.
>>>>
>>>>Connie Canode
>>>>At 09:13 AM 12/4/2010, you wrote:
>>>>>Brian,
>>>>>
>>>>>Get a life.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Gloria Whipple
>>>>>Corresponding Secretary
>>>>>Inland Empire chapter
>>>>>nfb of WA
>>>>>
>>>>>cell number: 509-475-4993
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>>On
>>>>>Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
>>>>>Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 8:11 PM
>>>>>To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>>
>>>>>And what would you propose?  Leaving things the way they are?  Don't 
>>>>>you
>>>>>think there are any blind people actually involved in the building of
>>>>>their
>>>>>own homes?  Could it be that you don't think we do much of anything? 
>>>>>Oh,
>>>>>of
>>>>>course.  Sit in rocking chairs and listen to our state provided reading
>>>>>radio service.  Yeah, that's the life for sure.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>>The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>Skype Name:
>>>>>barefootedray
>>>>>
>>>>>On Dec 3, 2010, at 8:09 PM, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > wishful thinking...
>>>>> > people here have no clue what happens in the one week build.
>>>>> > a relative worked on one and there were all kind of worksmanship 
>>>>> > f-ups
>>>>> > and
>>>>>people running everywhere.
>>>>> > you really think a blind guy is going to carry sheets of drywall 
>>>>> > with
>>>>>material and tools all over the site without falling?
>>>>> > you don't get the pace.  just like there is a blind guy who owns a
>>>>> > racing
>>>>>team but doesn't do the actual repair during race day due to the time
>>>>>limits.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Bryan Schulz
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Constance Canode"
>>>>><satin-bear at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 7:43 PM
>>>>> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Ray, that is an absolutely awesome idea.  Now if we can implement 
>>>>> >> it,
>>>>>people would certainly get a different perspective on what blind people
>>>>>are
>>>>>really like.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Connie Canode
>>>>> >> At 11:43 AM 12/3/2010, you wrote:
>>>>> >>> YOu know Peter, I was just kind of thinking.  I know of only one 
>>>>> >>> way
>>>>> >>> to
>>>>>stop this.  What we need to do is get some independent and competent 
>>>>>blind
>>>>>people on the make over crew.  Once we do that, maybe they'll get the
>>>>>idea.
>>>>>Barring that, maybe we ought to have some competent blind people at 
>>>>>least
>>>>>helping out on a make-over project; since I'm sure they wouldn't let us
>>>>>officially be part of what I presume bills itself as a professional
>>>>>make-over crew.
>>>>> >>> Thoughts?
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Sincerely,
>>>>> >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Skype Name:
>>>>> >>> barefootedray
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Peter Donahue wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> > Hello John and everyone,
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> >    If you take the time to read the message I sent concerning an
>>>>> >>> experience
>>>>> >>> > we had when looking for an apartment last spring you'd 
>>>>> >>> > understand
>>>>> >>> > why
>>>>> > the
>>>>> >>> > red flags are flying. If Extreme Make-Over Home Edition 
>>>>> >>> > continues
>>>>> >>> to portray
>>>>> >>> > us as helpless unable to live on our own without major
>>>>> >>> modifications to the
>>>>> >>> > home environment or a presumed dependency on a million gadgets >
>>>>>incidents
>>>>> >>> > like the one I described in my message earlier this morning will
>>>>> >>> continue to
>>>>> >>> > happen to blind people seeking housing. While we can't prove 
>>>>> >>> > that
>>>>> >>> > the
>>>>> >>> > manager at that apartment complex was influenced by an episode 
>>>>> >>> > of
>>>>> >>> this show
>>>>> >>> > where a blind person or a couple were featured if this TV 
>>>>> >>> > network
>>>>> >>> continues
>>>>> >>> > to cast us as unable to manage our own home they'll certainly be
>>>>> >>> suspect in
>>>>> >>> > my book.
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > Peter Donahue
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >>> > From: "John Heim" <john at johnheim.net>
>>>>> >>> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> >>> > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 9:40 AM
>>>>> >>> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > Well, I'd presume because you don't make a lot of money as a
>>>>>disability
>>>>> >>> > advocate.
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >>> > From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
>>>>> >>> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> >>> > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 8:40 PM
>>>>> >>> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> >> I feel the same way.  First question that came to find...If 
>>>>> >>> >> these
>>>>> >>> >>  >>
>>>>>people
>>>>> >>> >> are
>>>>> >>> >> so fantastic and can motivate everyone to get past their
>>>>>disabilities, >> and
>>>>> >>> >> they have learned so much in the four years they've been blind,
>>>>> >>> >> why
>>>>> >> can't
>>>>> >>> >> they maintain their house so it isn't falling down around them?
>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>> >>> >> Cindy
>>>>> >>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >>> >> From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>>> >>> >> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> >>> >> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 9:16 PM
>>>>> >>> >> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>> >>> >> I hate to be this way, but, how come I'm already skepticle?
>>>>> >>> >> Anyone
>>>>> >> care
>>>>> >>> >> to
>>>>> >>> >> guess why?
>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>> >>> >> Sincerely,
>>>>> >>> >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>> >>> >> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>> >>> >> Skype Name:
>>>>> >>> >> barefootedray
>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>> >>> >> On Dec 2, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Ryan O wrote:
>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >>> >>> Q From: Mary Watkins
>>>>> >>> >>> To: MAG_News at mail4.wgbh.org
>>>>> >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 1:06 PM
>>>>> >>> >>> Subject: WGBH's Media Access Group Encourages Tuning into 
>>>>> >>> >>> ABC'S
>>>>> >>> >>>  >>>
>>>>>"Extreme
>>>>> >>> >>> Makeover: Home Edition" on Sunday, December 5
>>>>> >>> >>>
>>>>> >>> >>> WGBH's Media Access Group Encourages Tuning into ABC'S 
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>>>>> >>> >>>  >>>
>>>>>Makeover:
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>>>>> >>> >>>
>>>>> >>> >>> The Media Access Group at WGBH encourages all those
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>>>>> >>> >>>  >>>
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