[nfb-talk] Here We Go Again

Sat Dec 4 17:19:50 UTC 2010

don't want to say too much but a kind of case worker

Bryan Schulz

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again


> First, you didn't say what this gentleman's job was in state government. 
> If
> he needed a reader, maybe he was the one who paid the reader.
>
> Cindy
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 11:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>
>
> so you also will not possibly accept that the blind builder will take more
> time to do the same task at the same skill.
>
> how about this parallel, i know a man who worked for state govt for 30 
> years
> and had an assistant the whole time.
> what boss in this era would hire two people to do the same job as one 
> could?
>
> Bryan Schulz
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>
>
>> Brian,
>>
>> Why do you believe that a blind carpenter cannot perform as well as a
>> sighted one?  Why do you assume that it will naturally take more time and
>> have more waste?  You're refusing to see that a blind person can do the
>> job
>> equally as well as a sighted person, given the training and experience.
>> It
>> really seems that you believe blindness necessarily means inferiority. 
>> It
>> doesn't.
>>
>> Cindy
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:58 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>
>>
>> everyone doesn't get the speed point.
>> how much extra time did it take him compared to same skill of a sighted
>> builder and how much material had to be recut?
>>
>> Bryan Schulz
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Constance Canode" <satin-bear at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 9:32 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>
>>
>>> We have a very close friend, totally blind who can do just about
>>> anything.
>>> He repairs cars, he remodeled his basement, rebuilding the steps, and
>>> recently built us a porch on the back of our house.  He built a 
>>> beautiful
>>> deck on his own house and did it single-handedly.  He does electrical
>>> work, plumbing and just about anything else you can name.  I wish my
>>> husband could do what he can do.  It would have saved us a ton of money
>>> years ago before I knew him.  Of course we paid for the porch, but since
>>> he is a friend, we made a good deal.  Never under-estimate the ability 
>>> of
>>> a competent blind person.  With the right tools and knowledge, you can 
>>> do
>>> whatever you choose.
>>>
>>> Connie Canode
>>> At 09:13 AM 12/4/2010, you wrote:
>>>>Brian,
>>>>
>>>>Get a life.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Gloria Whipple
>>>>Corresponding Secretary
>>>>Inland Empire chapter
>>>>nfb of WA
>>>>
>>>>cell number: 509-475-4993
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>On
>>>>Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
>>>>Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 8:11 PM
>>>>To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>
>>>>And what would you propose?  Leaving things the way they are?  Don't you
>>>>think there are any blind people actually involved in the building of
>>>>their
>>>>own homes?  Could it be that you don't think we do much of anything? 
>>>>Oh,
>>>>of
>>>>course.  Sit in rocking chairs and listen to our state provided reading
>>>>radio service.  Yeah, that's the life for sure.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>
>>>>Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>>>
>>>>Skype Name:
>>>>barefootedray
>>>>
>>>>On Dec 3, 2010, at 8:09 PM, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > wishful thinking...
>>>> > people here have no clue what happens in the one week build.
>>>> > a relative worked on one and there were all kind of worksmanship 
>>>> > f-ups
>>>> > and
>>>>people running everywhere.
>>>> > you really think a blind guy is going to carry sheets of drywall with
>>>>material and tools all over the site without falling?
>>>> > you don't get the pace.  just like there is a blind guy who owns a
>>>> > racing
>>>>team but doesn't do the actual repair during race day due to the time
>>>>limits.
>>>> >
>>>> > Bryan Schulz
>>>> >
>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Constance Canode"
>>>><satin-bear at sbcglobal.net>
>>>> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 7:43 PM
>>>> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >> Ray, that is an absolutely awesome idea.  Now if we can implement 
>>>> >> it,
>>>>people would certainly get a different perspective on what blind people
>>>>are
>>>>really like.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Connie Canode
>>>> >> At 11:43 AM 12/3/2010, you wrote:
>>>> >>> YOu know Peter, I was just kind of thinking.  I know of only one 
>>>> >>> way
>>>> >>> to
>>>>stop this.  What we need to do is get some independent and competent
>>>>blind
>>>>people on the make over crew.  Once we do that, maybe they'll get the
>>>>idea.
>>>>Barring that, maybe we ought to have some competent blind people at 
>>>>least
>>>>helping out on a make-over project; since I'm sure they wouldn't let us
>>>>officially be part of what I presume bills itself as a professional
>>>>make-over crew.
>>>> >>> Thoughts?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Sincerely,
>>>> >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Skype Name:
>>>> >>> barefootedray
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Peter Donahue wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> > Hello John and everyone,
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >    If you take the time to read the message I sent concerning an
>>>> >>> experience
>>>> >>> > we had when looking for an apartment last spring you'd understand
>>>> >>> > why
>>>> > the
>>>> >>> > red flags are flying. If Extreme Make-Over Home Edition continues
>>>> >>> to portray
>>>> >>> > us as helpless unable to live on our own without major
>>>> >>> modifications to the
>>>> >>> > home environment or a presumed dependency on a million gadgets >
>>>>incidents
>>>> >>> > like the one I described in my message earlier this morning will
>>>> >>> continue to
>>>> >>> > happen to blind people seeking housing. While we can't prove that
>>>> >>> > the
>>>> >>> > manager at that apartment complex was influenced by an episode of
>>>> >>> this show
>>>> >>> > where a blind person or a couple were featured if this TV network
>>>> >>> continues
>>>> >>> > to cast us as unable to manage our own home they'll certainly be
>>>> >>> suspect in
>>>> >>> > my book.
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > Peter Donahue
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >>> > From: "John Heim" <john at johnheim.net>
>>>> >>> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >>> > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 9:40 AM
>>>> >>> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > Well, I'd presume because you don't make a lot of money as a
>>>>disability
>>>> >>> > advocate.
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >>> > From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
>>>> >>> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >>> > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 8:40 PM
>>>> >>> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >> I feel the same way.  First question that came to find...If 
>>>> >>> >> these
>>>> >>> >>  >>
>>>>people
>>>> >>> >> are
>>>> >>> >> so fantastic and can motivate everyone to get past their
>>>>disabilities, >> and
>>>> >>> >> they have learned so much in the four years they've been blind,
>>>> >>> >> why
>>>> >> can't
>>>> >>> >> they maintain their house so it isn't falling down around them?
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> >> Cindy
>>>> >>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >>> >> From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>> >>> >> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >>> >> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 9:16 PM
>>>> >>> >> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> >> I hate to be this way, but, how come I'm already skepticle?
>>>> >>> >> Anyone
>>>> >> care
>>>> >>> >> to
>>>> >>> >> guess why?
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> >> Sincerely,
>>>> >>> >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> >> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> >> Skype Name:
>>>> >>> >> barefootedray
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> >> On Dec 2, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Ryan O wrote:
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >>> >>> Q From: Mary Watkins
>>>> >>> >>> To: MAG_News at mail4.wgbh.org
>>>> >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 1:06 PM
>>>> >>> >>> Subject: WGBH's Media Access Group Encourages Tuning into ABC'S
>>>> >>> >>>  >>>
>>>>"Extreme
>>>> >>> >>> Makeover: Home Edition" on Sunday, December 5
>>>> >>> >>>
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>>>> >>> >>>  >>>
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