[nfb-talk] Here We Go Again

Sat Dec 4 17:36:22 UTC 2010

Right on, Peter.

Connie Canode
At 11:31 AM 12/4/2010, you wrote:
>Hello Cindy and everyone,
>
>     Our own George Wortzel  is a blind carpenter. He spoke during the 2006
>national convention and is living proof that the blind can succeed as
>carpenters, plumbers, electricians, you name it. We don't need our own
>members harboring doubts about our ability to succeed in various
>occupations.
>
>Peter Donahue
>
>
>Peter Donahue
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:18 AM
>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>
>
>Brian,
>
>Why do you believe that a blind carpenter cannot perform as well as a
>sighted one?  Why do you assume that it will naturally take more time and
>have more waste?  You're refusing to see that a blind person can do the job
>equally as well as a sighted person, given the training and experience.  It
>really seems that you believe blindness necessarily means inferiority.  It
>doesn't.
>
>Cindy
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:58 AM
>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>
>
>everyone doesn't get the speed point.
>how much extra time did it take him compared to same skill of a sighted
>builder and how much material had to be recut?
>
>Bryan Schulz
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Constance Canode" <satin-bear at sbcglobal.net>
>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 9:32 AM
>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>
>
> > We have a very close friend, totally blind who can do just about anything.
> > He repairs cars, he remodeled his basement, rebuilding the steps, and
> > recently built us a porch on the back of our house.  He built a beautiful
> > deck on his own house and did it single-handedly.  He does electrical
> > work, plumbing and just about anything else you can name.  I wish my
> > husband could do what he can do.  It would have saved us a ton of money
> > years ago before I knew him.  Of course we paid for the porch, but since
> > he is a friend, we made a good deal.  Never under-estimate the ability of
> > a competent blind person.  With the right tools and knowledge, you can do
> > whatever you choose.
> >
> > Connie Canode
> > At 09:13 AM 12/4/2010, you wrote:
> >>Brian,
> >>
> >>Get a life.
> >>
> >>
> >>Gloria Whipple
> >>Corresponding Secretary
> >>Inland Empire chapter
> >>nfb of WA
> >>
> >>cell number: 509-475-4993
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >>Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
> >>Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 8:11 PM
> >>To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> >>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
> >>
> >>And what would you propose?  Leaving things the way they are?  Don't you
> >>think there are any blind people actually involved in the building of
> >>their
> >>own homes?  Could it be that you don't think we do much of anything?  Oh,
> >>of
> >>course.  Sit in rocking chairs and listen to our state provided reading
> >>radio service.  Yeah, that's the life for sure.
> >>
> >>
> >>Sincerely,
> >>The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> >>
> >>Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
> >>
> >>Skype Name:
> >>barefootedray
> >>
> >>On Dec 3, 2010, at 8:09 PM, Bryan Schulz wrote:
> >>
> >> > wishful thinking...
> >> > people here have no clue what happens in the one week build.
> >> > a relative worked on one and there were all kind of worksmanship f-ups
> >> > and
> >>people running everywhere.
> >> > you really think a blind guy is going to carry sheets of drywall with
> >>material and tools all over the site without falling?
> >> > you don't get the pace.  just like there is a blind guy who owns a
> >> > racing
> >>team but doesn't do the actual repair during race day due to the time
> >>limits.
> >> >
> >> > Bryan Schulz
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Constance Canode"
> >><satin-bear at sbcglobal.net>
> >> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >> > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 7:43 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Ray, that is an absolutely awesome idea.  Now if we can implement it,
> >>people would certainly get a different perspective on what blind people
> >>are
> >>really like.
> >> >>
> >> >> Connie Canode
> >> >> At 11:43 AM 12/3/2010, you wrote:
> >> >>> YOu know Peter, I was just kind of thinking.  I know of only one way
> >> >>> to
> >>stop this.  What we need to do is get some independent and competent blind
> >>people on the make over crew.  Once we do that, maybe they'll get the
> >>idea.
> >>Barring that, maybe we ought to have some competent blind people at least
> >>helping out on a make-over project; since I'm sure they wouldn't let us
> >>officially be part of what I presume bills itself as a professional
> >>make-over crew.
> >> >>> Thoughts?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Sincerely,
> >> >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Skype Name:
> >> >>> barefootedray
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Peter Donahue wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > Hello John and everyone,
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >    If you take the time to read the message I sent concerning an
> >> >>> experience
> >> >>> > we had when looking for an apartment last spring you'd understand
> >> >>> > why
> >> > the
> >> >>> > red flags are flying. If Extreme Make-Over Home Edition continues
> >> >>> to portray
> >> >>> > us as helpless unable to live on our own without major
> >> >>> modifications to the
> >> >>> > home environment or a presumed dependency on a million gadgets >
> >>incidents
> >> >>> > like the one I described in my message earlier this morning will
> >> >>> continue to
> >> >>> > happen to blind people seeking housing. While we can't prove that
> >> >>> > the
> >> >>> > manager at that apartment complex was influenced by an episode of
> >> >>> this show
> >> >>> > where a blind person or a couple were featured if this TV network
> >> >>> continues
> >> >>> > to cast us as unable to manage our own home they'll certainly be
> >> >>> suspect in
> >> >>> > my book.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > Peter Donahue
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>> > From: "John Heim" <john at johnheim.net>
> >> >>> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>> > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 9:40 AM
> >> >>> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > Well, I'd presume because you don't make a lot of money as a
> >>disability
> >> >>> > advocate.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>> > From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
> >> >>> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>> > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 8:40 PM
> >> >>> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >> I feel the same way.  First question that came to find...If these
> >> >>> >>  >>
> >>people
> >> >>> >> are
> >> >>> >> so fantastic and can motivate everyone to get past their
> >>disabilities, >> and
> >> >>> >> they have learned so much in the four years they've been blind,
> >> >>> >> why
> >> >> can't
> >> >>> >> they maintain their house so it isn't falling down around them?
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> Cindy
> >> >>> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>> >> From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
> >> >>> >> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>> >> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 9:16 PM
> >> >>> >> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> I hate to be this way, but, how come I'm already skepticle?
> >> >>> >> Anyone
> >> >> care
> >> >>> >> to
> >> >>> >> guess why?
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> Sincerely,
> >> >>> >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> Skype Name:
> >> >>> >> barefootedray
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> On Dec 2, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Ryan O wrote:
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>> >>> Q From: Mary Watkins
> >> >>> >>> To: MAG_News at mail4.wgbh.org
> >> >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 1:06 PM
> >> >>> >>> Subject: WGBH's Media Access Group Encourages Tuning into ABC'S
> >> >>> >>>  >>>
> >>"Extreme
> >> >>> >>> Makeover: Home Edition" on Sunday, December 5
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> WGBH's Media Access Group Encourages Tuning into ABC'S "Extreme
> >> >>> >>>  >>>
> >>Makeover:
> >> >>> >>> Home Edition"
> >> >>> >>> on Sunday, December 5 (8-9pm, EST)
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> The Media Access Group at WGBH encourages all those interested in
> >> >>> >>> inclusive
> >> >>> >>> technology for people who are blind or have low vision to tune
> >> >>> >>> into
> >> >>> >>> "Extreme
> >> >>> >>> Makeover: Home Edition" this Sunday evening, December 5. While we
> >> >>> can't
> >> >>> >>> provide any specific information on what will be seen and heard
> >> >>> >>> (it
> >> >>> would
> >> >>> >>> spoil the surprise!), the episode promises to create much greater
> >> >>> >>> awareness
> >> >>> >>> of the services and products now available for people who have
> >> >>> >>>  >>>
> >>limited or
> >> >>> >>> no
> >> >>> >>> sight.
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> Here is the information the production company has released in
> >> >>> >>>  >>>
> >>advance
> >> >>> >>> about
> >> >>> >>> this episode:
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> The "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition" team has selected the
> >> >>> >>> Anderson
> >> >>> >>> Family
> >> >>> >>> in Cleveland, Ohio. The family of four answered the call to
> >> >>> >>> action
> >> >>> when
> >> >>> >>> they
> >> >>> >>> inspired the community to heighten their awareness of the
> >> >>> >>> obstacles
> >> >>> >>> facing
> >> >>> >>> the disabled in their community. Diving headlong into their work,
> >> >>> Andre
> >> >>> >>> and
> >> >>> >>> Jasmine have dedicated their time to supporting and counseling
> >> >>> >>> the
> >> >>> >>> disabled
> >> >>> >>> by connecting them with resources to help them live and lead more
> >> >>> >>> independent lives. The Andersons have proven to be the definitive
> >> >>> role
> >> >>> >>> models as they themselves lost their sight 4 years ago.
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> Empowered by their own obstacles, Andre and Jasmine have never
> >> >>> >>> let
> >> >>> >>> anything
> >> >>> >>> slow them down. Together they have teamed to complete grad
> >> >>> >>> school,
> >> >>> run a
> >> >>> >>> center for people with disabilities, created a support group, and
> >>all
> >> >>> >>> while
> >> >>> >>> balancing life at home with their 2 boys (one of whom is hearing
> >> >>> >>> impaired).
> >> >>> >>> Despite having lost their sight after their sons, Jasison and
> >>Jahzion
> >> >>> >>> were
> >> >>> >>> born, Andre and Jasmine have rallied back and have embraced their
> >> >>> >>> reality.
> >> >>> >>> While they continue to empower their community, the family has
> >> >>> >>> hit a
> >> >>> >>> rough
> >> >>> >>> patch. Their home is falling apart around them and it has become
> >> >>> >>> complicated
> >> >>> >>> and hazardous for them to live in especially in the face of how
> >>their
> >> >>> >>> needs
> >> >>> >>> continue to grow.
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> On September 29th the Andersons will have some changes in sight
> >> >>> >>> when
> >> >>> Ty
> >> >>> >>> Pennington, designers Michael Maloney, Tracy Huston, and Xzibit
> >> >>> >>>  >>>
> >>deliver a
> >> >>> >>> "Smart House" in just 7 days. Local builders Marous Brothers >>>
> >>Construction
> >> >>> >>> and community volunteers will rebuild the structure and give them
> >>the >>> key
> >> >>> >>> to
> >> >>> >>> live above and beyond their wildest dreams. The Andersons will
> >> >>> >>>  >>>
> >>vacation
> >> >>> >>> in
> >> >>> >>> Crested Butte, Colorado.
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> About "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition"
> >> >>> >>> The Emmy-award winning reality program "Extreme Makeover: Home
> >> >>> >>>  >>>
> >>Edition,"
> >> >>> >>> now
> >> >>> >>> in its 8th season, is produced by Endemol USA, a division of
> >> >>> >>> Endemol
> >> >>> >>> Holding. It's executive-produced Brady Connell and George
> >> >>> >>> Verschoor.
> >> >>> >>> David
> >> >>> >>> Goldberg is Chairman, Endemol North America. The show airs
> >> >>> >>> Sundays
> >> >>> from
> >> >>> >>> 8:00-9:00 p.m., ET on ABC.
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> About the Media Access Group at WGBH
> >> >>> >>> The Media Access Group at WGBH, which includes a Services
> >> >>> >>> division
> >> >>> and a
> >> >>> >>> research and development division--the Carl and Ruth Shapiro
> >> >>> >>> Family
> >> >>> >>> National
> >> >>> >>> Center for Accessible Media--has pioneered and delivered
> >> >>> >>> captioned
> >> >>> and
> >> >>> >>> described media for nearly four decades to people in their homes,
> >> >>> >>> classrooms, at work and in the community. And the Media Access
> >> >>> >>> Group
> >> >>> >>> continues to develop new solutions to access challenges as >>>
> >>technology,
> >> >>> >>> and
> >> >>> >>> the way we all consume media, evolve. Members of the group's >>>
> >>collective
> >> >>> >>> staff represent the leading experts in their fields and their
> >>success >>> is
> >> >>> >>> exemplified by a history of accomplishments and continuous
> >> >>> >>> growth,
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> >>> integration of innovative products and services into society at
> >> >>> >>>  >>>
> >>large,
> >> >>> >>> and
> >> >>> >>> the enthusiastic support of the audiences served, including 36
> >> >>> >>>  >>>
> >>million
> >> >>> >>> people who are deaf, hard of hearing, blind or have low vision.
> >> >>> >>> More
> >> >>> >>> information about the Media Access Group at WGBH can be found at:
> >> >>> >>> http://access.wgbh.org.
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> Contact:
> >> >>> >>> Mary Watkins
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