[nfb-talk] [NFB-talk] Here We Go Again: Home Makeover -blindcouple in OH

Mon Dec 6 21:22:44 UTC 2010

Ray, the fact that hee personally attacked you made me angry.

Connie Canode
At 03:18 PM 12/6/2010, you wrote:
>I wonder, can we stay away from personal attacks?  John attacked me, 
>but, I shall not respond.  IF you read my messages, you will see 
>exactly what I felt was wrong with the show.  I sent a detailed 
>message last night.  check the list archives.
>
>
>Sincerely,
>The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>
>Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>
>Skype Name:
>barefootedray
>
>On Dec 6, 2010, at 3:02 PM, Gloria Whipple wrote:
>
> > What is your excuse Johnny? You do the same thing.
> >
> >
> > Gloria Whipple
> > Corresponding Secretary
> > Inland Empire chapter
> > nfb of WA
> >
> > cell number: 509-475-4993
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > Behalf Of John Heim
> > Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 12:41 PM
> > To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] [NFB-talk] Here We Go Again: Home Makeover
> > -blindcouple in OH
> >
> > Ray, you have a marked tendency to state an opinion, refuse to 
> support that
> > opinion in any way, declare it to be the only valid opinion, and 
> then insult
> >
> > anyone who disagrees.
> >
> > What specifically was wrong with the show? You sit there and say 
> "we" should
> >
> > do something about it, which I take it means, as usual, 
> that  somebody else
> > should do something about it. But if you think people are going to bother
> > doing anything, you are going to have to do a much better job of 
> explaining
> > your problem with the show than simply saying it was "bad".
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 2:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] [NFB-talk] Here We Go Again: Home
> > Makeover -blindcouple in OH
> >
> >
> >> The answer, John, is yes.  that's a substantive answer and I refuse to be
> >> drawn in to a useless argument with you or anybody else about whether or
> >> not a blind person can do this or that.  The plain fact of the matter is
> >> this.  That show was about as bad as it could be; and, to speak frankly, I
> >
> >> wonder how it could be worse.
> >>
> >> I sure don't see how myself.
> >>
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> >>
> >> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
> >>
> >> Skype Name:
> >> barefootedray
> >>
> >> On Dec 6, 2010, at 1:12 PM, John Heim wrote:
> >>
> >>> One thing that really bothers me about the conversation on this list is
> >>> that people are complaining about ABC depicting this couple as helpless.
> >>> But can anyone on this list replace a toilet or a bathroom sink? I've
> >>> done things like replace garbage disposals, light fixtures, and
> >>> electrical outlets. But I don't think I'd try replacing a toilet. I might
> >
> >>> replace a sink though. Assuming the standard hookups are already there,
> >>> you can do that.  But I'm not sure that even most sighted people would
> >>> try that either.
> >>>
> >>> I guess the question is whether ABC's depiction of blind people was
> >>> inaccurate. Are these people more helpess than a typical blind couple?
> >>>
> >>> The one thing that puzzled me was the problem the woman had with cans of
> >>> food. I don't know what's in our kitchen cupboard but that's because my
> >>> wife does the cooking and shopping. When I did my own cooking and
> >>> shopping, I put magnetic braille labels on the cans. But, I suppose, its
> >>> nicer to have the bar code scanner. The woman might have played up the
> >>> problem in order to make it look good. I mean, ABC isn't going to want to
> >
> >>> show the woman dealing with her canned food with braille and then give
> >>> her a scanner anyway.
> >>>
> >>> When you think about it, if you've got a TV show about giving people new
> >>> shirts, you have to make their old shirts look crummy. It would be lame
> >>> to give someone a new shirt if the person already has a closet full of
> >>> really nice shirts. In fact, aren't all gifts kind of an insult? Say you
> >>> buy somebody a shirt. Does that say their old shirts are crummy? Couldn't
> >
> >>> you always say, "Well, if you didn't think I needed a new shirt, why did
> >>> you give me a new shirt? "
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
> >>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 11:16 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] [NFB-talk] Here We Go Again: Home Makeover -
> >>> blindcouple in OH
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Oh My!  This is just terrible.  It's not the first one Extreme Home
> >>>> Makeover
> >>>> has done about blind people.  I hope something can be done so it's the
> >>>> last.
> >>>> It's so destructive.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cindy
> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rovig, Lorraine" <LRovig at nfb.org>
> >>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 12:01 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] [NFB-talk] Here We Go Again: Home Makeover -
> >>>> blindcouple in OH
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Here We Go Again: Home Makeover Extreme Edition - blind couple in OH
> >>>>
> >>>> Well, I watched it. It was pretty bad and it could have been worse. It
> >>>> could have been a lot better too.
> >>>>
> >>>> Their original bathroom -- a sink fell off the wall once when Jasmine
> >>>> washed her hands so they had no bathroom sink; the old toilet would
> >>>> swivel left and right about 20 degrees either way if your toe pushed it.
> >>>> Other parts of the old home and front porch were dangerous.  The part of
> >>>> the old house facing the street appeared to be two-rooms wide, small
> >>>> rooms, and I do not remember if it was two-story.  They were given a
> >>>> two-story, large, modern home with all new appliances in the kitchen,
> >>>> laundry room, every other room, and etcetera.
> >>>>
> >>>> This is an African-American family, the Andersons of Maple Heights, Ohio
> >>>> (near Cleveland). I do not know if either one has a job; both appear to
> >>>> be in their early 40s.  The mother, Jasmine, states she is visually
> >>>> impaired. She uses a folding cane with a fat white tip that I think is a
> >>>> marshmallow tip.  Husband, Andre, pronounced the French way, is totally
> >>>> blind and uses a guide dog named Valentine. The show gave the dog a
> >>>> heart-shaped bed.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jasmine gave a tiny monologue stating she lost enough sight to be
> >>>> visually impaired and was depressed for awhile but then she became
> >>>> "courageous" like she is now. They never charge for their [untrained]
> >>>> counseling and encouragement of other people with disabilities. They
> >>>> give lots of speeches to educate the community how to make life easier
> >>>> for blind people and people with other disabilities.
> >>>>
> >>>> The couple told us they are in danger every time they cross a street and
> >>>> the camera mike was held close to trucks and cars as vehicles zoomed by
> >>>> on a city street. Jasmine said she was hit in the shoulder by a moving
> >>>> car one time. Ty Pennington, the shows' big-hearted hero,
> >>>> furniture-designer and designer of his own line of linens and other
> >>>> goods for the home, excellent carpenter and TV show leader, went on
> >>>> about how dangerous it is for blind people every day when they are
> >>>> outside the home. He got installed for the Andersons a fancy talking
> >>>> device at the single crossing nearest to their home at their bus stop.
> >>>> Jasmine told us "we're not the only blind people living here, you know"
> >>>> and, she said, this will help people with other disabilities that live
> >>>> in their neighborhood too.
> >>>>
> >>>> The show gave her a CCTV rigged to a lady's dressing table so she can
> >>>> see to put on her make-up and not have to ask her son if she did it
> >>>> okay. She got choked up that she can see her nails now and can paint
> >>>> them as she could not see to do before, and for the first time she
> >>>> exclaims, as we watch her look at it, she can see the beautiful ring her
> >>>> husband gave her.
> >>>>
> >>>> In the old house, Jasmine shoved up the sleeves on her dress to show Ty
> >>>> and us the many burns on her arms that she got from using her
> >>>> conventional electric 4-burner stove and oven.  The show gave her
> >>>> "induction heating" which does not give out any heat except to a metal
> >>>> pot placed on the burner, and she got a wall oven so her oven is at a
> >>>> better height for her to use. The house got a talking temperature gauge.
> >>>> On the plus side, so the two wouldn't get lost, nothing odd was built
> >>>> into the kitchen or the walls and floors.  Also on the plus side, except
> >>>> for the induction oven, normal if fancy Sears's appliances were placed
> >>>> in the home for the kitchen and the baths.
> >>>>
> >>>> Both Andre and Jasmine got computers that I think had JAWS installed on
> >>>> them. They got a home theatre room with one "Sound Dome" over both their
> >>>> heads that directs the sound directly only to them, and lets them hear
> >>>> the SAP channel along with the show. They have two very helpful,
> >>>> respectful sons (one may be age 12 and the other is a young teenager).
> >>>> Ty stated the older son got a vacation from verbalizing what is on
> >>>> screen plus he got the SAP thing with words running below the screen
> >>>> when folks talked (which he needed but I missed the part that said why
> >>>> he did). The younger son is sure he wants to grow up to be an eye doctor
> >>>> so he can cure blindness, beginning with his mother's visual impairment.
> >>>>
> >>>> Both Jasmine and Andre got brand new, fat-bodied, folding canes that
> >>>> have built-in sensors to inform them of obstacles by their head and at
> >>>> their feet, and, said Ty, "these aren't even on the market yet." Andre
> >>>> expressed their gratitude.
> >>>>
> >>>> They got a huge main room that runs from a living room grouping through
> >>>> an empty space of floor to a dining room grouping to a kitchen with no
> >>>> barriers or changes in floor, so they do not have to worry anymore about
> >>>> running into posts or walls, as they did run into in their cramped
> >>>> original home.  I noticed they are both bulky overweight people and the
> >>>> original house doorways were older and appeared smallish, plus a post
> >>>> was inconveniently placed, especially for any overweight people trying
> >>>> to get past it to the bedrooms and bathroom.
> >>>>
> >>>> The mortgage company paid off and tore up their mortgage; the local
> >>>> branch of the state college gave them 2 college scholarships for the
> >>>> boys; Sears gave the four of them enough clothes and shoes to fill some
> >>>> of their new closets; the local basketball team called The Cavaliers,
> >>>> gave the teen-aged son a closet-full of their clothes plus 3-shelves of
> >>>> their basketballs with its metal rack. The building company gave them
> >>>> $50,000 to a fund to handle their home maintenance.
> >>>>
> >>>> Braille got a "shout out" as the modern lingo has it. Ty added palm-size
> >>>> wooden "dots" to their bed's headboard to spell out in grade one, "Love
> >>>> is Blind."  Large print got a "shout out" too, with their top bed quilt
> >>>> decorated with "Love is Blind" sewn on as stuffed, raised-up
> >>>> hand-writing.
> >>>>
> >>>> (For me, I keep wondering how they and other Ty Pennington-show
> >>>> homeowners can afford their new taxes on their giant gifts of money,
> >>>> goods, and a huge new home.)
> >>>>
> >>>> The Andersons were so very grateful for all they received from Ty and
> >>>> Sears Company and ABC. Tears all around.
> >>>>
> >>>> You can view the entire episode on the Anderson Family via computer,
> >>>> here:
> >>>> http://abc.go.com/shows/extreme-makeover-home-edition
> >>>> Anderson Family
> >>>> | Full Episode
> >>>> A visually impaired couple devoted to helping the community receives a
> >>>> home makeover, complete with technologies that help people with
> >>>> disabilities;
> >>>> EXTREME MAKEOVER: HOME EDITION - "Anderson Family" - Andre and Jasmine
> >>>> Anderson have never allowed their visual impairment to slow them down,
> >>>> but rather have faced it head on, and established the Disability
> >>>> Awareness Center in Maple Heights, Ohio, to help others who are
> >>>> struggling with sight loss. The couple and their sons learned they would
> >>>> be recipients of a home makeover while aboard the public bus that they
> >>>> ride every day. The "EM: HE" team surprised them on the bus and revealed
> >>>> plans to give them a new "smart" home, equipped with technologies that
> >>>> support people with disabilities. This episode of "Extreme Makeover:
> >>>> Home Edition" airs SUNDAY, DECEMBER 5 (8:00-9:00 p.m., ET) on the ABC
> >>>> Television Network. (ABC/MIKE CROUCH) ANDERSON FAMILY HOME - AFTER -
> >>>> BEDROOM
> >>>>
> >>>>
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