[nfb-talk] Enough already!

Fri Dec 10 01:54:47 UTC 2010

Yeah, maybe. A lot of people would object saying they don't want yet another 
gadget to carry around all the time. But I personally would be satisfied 
with your solution

A good compromise I've been promoting is to modify the money in a way such 
that a bill identifier could be made for practically nothing. As far as I 
know, all current bill identifiers rely on scanning the bill and determining 
its value from the print. Well, that's expensive and prone to failure. 
Surely, engineers could invent some type of thread to imbed in the bills so 
that they could be easily identified. Maybe threads with different 
electrical resistance would be enough.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael D. Barber" <michael.nfbi at gmail.com>
To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Enough already!

> If the government, instead of re-tooling the currency to make it 
> accessible,
> would just buy an iBill for every blind person, I suspect it would be a 
> much
> cheaper solution.   That way, everyone would be able to recognize the
> currency.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of John G. Heim
> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 7:09 PM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Enough already!
>
> But even if you someday can afford an I-Bill, what about all the other 
> blind
> people who can't?Don't you think you should be in favor of accessible 
> money
> on their behalf?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 4:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Enough already!
>
>
> Ray, I agree with you wholeheartedly, although, I disagree with the
> NFB's stance on accessible currency for the blind. The argument I get
> from most NFB members is, "well, get the I-Bill," but they don't
> understand is that it's too expensive for some of us, like myself who
> are going to college, and having to pay for that. $99 for a little
> gadget is too much. If they'll lower the price at the next convention
> that I'll be able to attend, (2012 in Dallas,) I'll buy the I-Bill.
> But until then, accessible currency is the way to go, (just my humble
> oppinion.) Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 12/9/10, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
>> David, I must agree with Joseph on this point.  I will speak frankly 
>> here.
>> Why do you tolerate vicious attacks on not only the NFB but on the 
>> members
>> of this list who hold with that way of thinking, not just because some
>> federation leader says so, but because of their own personal experience?
>> I
>> understand wanting to tolerate healthy and open and honest discussion; 
>> but
>> David, there are some individuals, (I'm not going to name names because I
>> believe you know who they are if you have been truly reading the posts
>> here), who have violently attacked not only me but others who think as I
>> do.
>>  I have had enough; and, so, I dare say, have those who hold with me. 
>> I'm
>> not giving out the names of these attackers because I don't feel the need
>> to
>> sink this list in to that mire.  If a person honestly does not know the
>> answer to the reason why an independent blind person says or thinks or
>> does
>> something, of course, it goes without  saying that they should feel more
>> than free to ask.  But Dave, I think we both know that this is not what
>> Joseph and I are talking about here.  Honest ignorance is one thing.
>> Attacks are another.  I will not claim to be totally guiltless myself in
>> this regard, and so, indeed, I may not be.  However, this has truly gone
>> on
>> quite long enough.  I'm writing this as an open response so that everyone
>> may know just exactly how I feel.  Mind you, I can't speak for others 
>> here
>> directly, (only they can and must), but, I think I know some others here
>> well enough to be able to make a fairly good guess at how they feel. 
>> This
>> is supposed to be a list where ideas can be freely shared, and, sans the
>> personal attacks, (which have become more and more of late), it is.  But,
>> I
>> too have noticed that those who defend the NFB positions on certain
>> matters
>> are threatened and the attackers defended.  Why is this?  Surely, you 
>> must
>> know what I'm talking about?  I believe you do.  Tolerance is, in 
>> general,
>> good, but, there comes a time when enough is enough.  It would appear
>> that,
>> (at least with respect to Joseph and myself), our patience has about
>> reached
>> it's end.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>
>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>
>> Skype Name:
>> barefootedray
>>
>> On Dec 9, 2010, at 2:05 PM, T. Joseph Carter wrote:
>>
>>> David,
>>>
>>> Have you noticed the trend of discussions on this list over the past
>>> couple of years or so?  I have, and I've double-checked the archives to
>>> be
>>> sure I wasn't reading something into it.  The pattern is that every 
>>> large
>>> discussion seems to involve one group of people arguing for the ability
>>> of
>>> the blind, for the NFB, its policies, and its mission.  The other side 
>>> of
>>> the discussion is generally one person.
>>>
>>> The pattern of the discussion is that the individual says something
>>> incendiary against one of the above, something I have a hard time
>>> accepting is unintentional at this point.  The group reacts, some with
>>> distaste, some with disagreement, and some with anger.  This last group
>>> has taken the bait, if you will.
>>>
>>> This is where you come in, because inevitably the individual insists 
>>> that
>>> he is "offended" and "baselessly attacked" for his views.  You defend
>>> him,
>>> going so far as to threaten to ban longtime regulars and well-respected
>>> federationists.  The individual takes this as a sign that he may stand
>>> behind you, and continue to insult not only us few here, but everything
>>> this organization stands for.
>>>
>>> The fact that there is not a single person on this list that does not
>>> know
>>> of whom I speak is evidence in and of itself.  It's really got to stop.
>>> Those who would not be flamed should not make a habit of setting fires.
>>> Having set a few myself over the years, it comes with the territory.
>>>
>>> Joseph
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 10:19:24PM -0600, David Andrews wrote:
>>>> This is a personal attack and is totally unacceptable.  You can 
>>>> disagree
>>>> with someone -- but please stick to facts, not speculation etc.
>>>>
>>>> David Andrews, Moderator
>>>>
>>>> At 03:09 PM 12/6/2010, you wrote:
>>>>> I agree Gloria.  He is a very shallow person, and I don't care of his
>>>>> $250,000 house is paid off or not.  He could rip off Bernie Madoff, 
>>>>> the
>>>>> biggest cheat in the world, and he wouldn't impress me..smile.
>>>>>
>>>>> Connie Canode
>>>>
>>>>
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