[nfb-talk] philosophy taken to another level then?

Mike Freeman k7uij at panix.com
Sun Jul 18 17:50:50 UTC 2010


Perhaps he had a narcisistic streak! (grin)

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] philosophy taken to another level then?


> Oh, I saw that, too.  I was in New Jersey with Diane McGeorge a long time
> ago.  Her dog was Dusty.  Diane and I had adjoining rooms.  So, when the
> door between the rooms was open, Dusty liked to come into my room.  He
> noticed himself in the mirror and kept putting his feet up on the little
> counter in front of the mirror, leaning in close and barking at the dog he
> saw.  Then, he'd back up a couple feet, look and bark, again!  It was very
> funny.  But, Diane said he never noticed the dog in her room.  I wonder 
> why!
> It was so cute.
>
> Cindy
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 8:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] philosophy taken to another level then?
>
>
> Mike, lol!  My first guide dog, Deedee, did that and oh, that was so very
> hilarious.
>
> Margo andArrow
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] philosophy taken to another level then?
>
>
>> I've seen a guide dog bark at her image in a mirror!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jim" <jp100 at earthlink.net>
>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 3:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] philosophy taken to another level then?
>>
>>
>>>I don't know Mike.  That's pretty funny.
>>> Of course, I still don't think it beat the time my two friends and I 
>>> were
>>> walking together at an Austin mall.  One of my friends, the one with 
>>> "the
>>> most vision" told us to slow down or stop so as not to run into the 
>>> other
>>> blind people coming toward us.  I asked what other blind people because 
>>> I
>>> didn't hear any canes or anything.  As hard as he tried avoiding them, 
>>> we
>>> couldn't.  We walked a bit, and all of a sudden, he ran into something.
>>> He
>>> realized what had happened.  He was looking at some sort of mirror or at
>>> least at our reflections and thought there were three other blind folks
>>> coming our way.
>>> He couldn't help but bust a gut and ended up on the floor laughing
>>> hysterically.  I'm sure passers-by wondered what the heck was happening
>>> there.  I'm sure the blind folks were noticed after he began laughing
>>> without control.
>>> JP
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 3:30 PM
>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] philosophy taken to another level then?
>>>
>>> Yeah; it took her a minute to figure out why I was laughing and then she
>>> sat
>>>
>>> down on the curb and howled with mirth.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 2:09 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] philosophy taken to another level then?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Mike, bet the lady chuckled, too.
>>>>
>>>> Margo and Arrow
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 2:47 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] philosophy taken to another level then?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I once knew a lady who was unfamiliar with my neighborhood and who said
>>>>>hello to every lamp post for a block because she wasn't used to them
>>>>>being
>>>
>>>>>so close to the sidewalk! In truth, it *was* funny!
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Mike Bullis" <mabullis at hotmail.com>
>>>>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 8:21 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] philosophy taken to another level then?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Not knowing what it was, I hit a bush with my cane the other day as I
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> walking quickly by and said excuse me.  I thought it was funny.
>>>>>> Although I
>>>>>> know that many disagree with me about this, I simply find lots of
>>>>>> things
>>>>>> funny that are politically incorrect or self deprecating.  Humor,
>>>>>> perhaps
>>>>>> sadly, but truly, is very much about the put down.
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>>>>>> [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 11:44 PM
>>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] philosophy taken to another level then?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ray:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In any discussion such as this, it's damnably dangerous to generalize
>>>>>> because almost universally, there are exceptions to any rule. But 
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> respect to humor regarding aspects of blindness, I think we must ask
>>>>>> ourselves *why* we (or our sighted coleagues) find any particular
>>>>>> blindness-related incident funny. Let me give you an example.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many years ago, I remember a commercial for a particular optical
>>>>>> company
>>>>>> touting the need to wear good glasses (this was before lasic) by 
>>>>>> using
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> skit whereby a mom's kids on a camping trip with her stole her 
>>>>>> glasses
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> laughed themselves silly when she got up in the morning over how
>>>>>> ridiculous
>>>>>> she looked stumbling about and doing awkward things because she
>>>>>> couldn't
>>>>>> see.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That commercial burned my posterior because it was pure cruelty for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> kids
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to laugh about something the mom couldn't help because she wasn't
>>>>>> trained as
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a blind person and had I been her, I'd have tanned their hides. This
>>>>>> sort of
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thing is the reason I find almost all slapstick comedy unappealing.
>>>>>> It's
>>>>>> basically cruelty in another guise. And if (as in Mr. Magoo) it gives
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> impression that all vision-impaired persons are like that, it sets us
>>>>>> back
>>>>>> immeasurably.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But something like forgetting to turn a coffee cup over when getting
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> of the cupboard and absent-mindedly pouring coffee all over the
>>>>>> counter
>>>>>> as a
>>>>>>
>>>>>> result -- that's just plain funny because I knew better and had my
>>>>>> head
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the clouds rather than paying attention to what I was doing as I
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You see what I'm driving at? Do we laugh over our blindness because
>>>>>> it's
>>>>>> funny or because we are laughing at what we take to be our 
>>>>>> misfortune.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What we in NFB bridle at our two assumptions: (a) that others
>>>>>> (including
>>>>>> ourselves) assume that we need help when we may not and (b) that we
>>>>>> may
>>>>>> falsely assume that we can't do something so elect not to try. Every
>>>>>> one
>>>
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> us (including those of us who are sighted) use help when we need it
>>>>>> and/or
>>>>>> when it's convenient for us and others. Where this gets us into
>>>>>> trouble
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> when we ask for help so often that people don't think we can do
>>>>>> without
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But basically, it all comes down to how we view ourselves mediated by
>>>>>> our
>>>>>> view of blindness.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>
>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 9:33 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] philosophy taken to another level then?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ah, well, you see John, here's the thing.  As I see it, I don't 
>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the NFB philosophy is looking to diminish blindness itself; rather,
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> understand it, the NFB is trying to make blindness itself a mere
>>>>>>> nucence
>>>>>>> according to the perceptions of both the sighted and blind alike. 
>>>>>>> We
>>>>>>> tend
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to see ourselves as others see us.  That includes the blind as well.
>>>>>>> It's
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a fact of human nature that when you've got a cause to fight, and 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> for help from others seems to fly in the face of any forward 
>>>>>>> movement
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> that cause, there tends to be at least a little personal or
>>>>>>> professional
>>>>>>> embarrassment at the idea of needing help; especially when that need
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> help and the taking of it, (how ever badly needed) would even appear
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> set back the cause for which one is fighting.  I note the most 
>>>>>>> recent
>>>>>>> issue of "The Braille Monitor" for July 2010.  The "Ask Mrs. Whsoit
>>>>>>> column
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> is particularly worth paying attention to.  Why?  Because in that
>>>>>>> column,
>>>>>>> one of the letter writers indicate
>>>>>>> d that they got the impression that the independent blind in the NFB
>>>>>>> always would brag about how they could always find their way through
>>>>>>> airports and never needed help; and therefore, that one was not a
>>>>>>> true
>>>>>>> federationist if one either needed or accepted help regardless of 
>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that help was actually needed.  Barbara Pierce, in her answer,
>>>>>>> indicated
>>>>>>> that she wondered whether she and the letter writer were reading the
>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>> issues of "The Braille Monitor".  Here, I think the letter writer
>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>> have made a stronger case by actually sighting issue and articles.
>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> truth of the matter be known, I too was once under the same
>>>>>>> impression
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> the letter writer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now, I'll give you another.  The subject of laughter.  Once, on this
>>>>>>> list,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I made an attempt to explore this issue in depth but it didn't go
>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>> far.  I sighted what I believed at the time to be inconsistencies in
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>> some leaders in the federation were saying and human reality.  It's
>>>>>>> human
>>>>>>> to laugh at things which are truly funny; even things blindness
>>>>>>> related.
>>>>>>> Some among the federation leadership, (barbara Pierce for example)
>>>>>>> said
>>>>>>> things which I took to be the attitude that it was not acceptable 
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> blind person to laugh at anything blindness related; even if it was
>>>>>>> genuinely funny.  But this philosophy, if you live and breathe it
>>>>>>> literally, tends to deny human reality.  What say y'all?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm just trying to poke at a few points here to see what we can go
>>>>>>> with.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> E-Mail:
>>>>>>> rforetjr at comcast dot net
>>>>>>> Skype Name:
>>>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 2010, at 10:51 AM, John G. Heim wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ah! Actually, you bring up an exciting possibility that never
>>>>>>>> occured
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, I can't honestly say that I've been arguing that the NFB
>>>>>>>> philosophy
>>>>>>>> should be modified. The trouble is that I've always believed that 
>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>> advocacy group cannot be effective when its own philosophy is that
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> problem it is organized around is fairly minor. Why bother working
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> change when blindness is a mere nuiscance anyway?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're probably saying, "That's not waht the NFB philosophy means."
>>>>>>>> And I
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> think it should be clear that I know that especially after my
>>>>>>>> dissertation about how similar  the NFB philosophy is to 
>>>>>>>> Lombardi's.
>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>> problem, as I see it, is that it is impossible to avoid having the
>>>>>>>> philosophy to morph into something that blames the victim.  It
>>>>>>>> inevitably
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> will lead to a situation where its a sin to ask for an 
>>>>>>>> accomodation,
>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>> accomodation.  The only solution I see is to get rid of the
>>>>>>>> philosophy
>>>>>>>> all together.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, that's the only solution I saw until now. Actually, I'm 
>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>> excited about the idea you bring up. Can the philosophy be tweaked
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> address the problems I have seen? I'll admit I'm very skeptical. 
>>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> sure is worth some thought and/or discussion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Actually, I'd consider it a major victory if someone, anyone, would
>>>>>>>> acknowledge the problem itself. How can the NFB be effective as an
>>>>>>>> advocacy group when its own philosophy is that with proper 
>>>>>>>> training,
>>>>>>>> blindness can be reduced to a mere nuiscance? If I were President 
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> NFB (scary thought, I know), I could go on for days about how those
>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>> ideas are not really contradictory. But as a practical matter, I
>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> not think they can work together. And you've got to admit that on
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> surface, they seem quite at odds.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr"
>>>>>>>> <rforetjr at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 9:34 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] philosophy taken to another level then?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Okay John,  So, let me see if I understand you correctly.  What
>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> us have viewed as your attacks on the NFB philosophy are actually
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> attacks at all; rather, they are attempts on your part to help the
>>>>>>>>> NFB
>>>>>>>>> fulfill and perhaps even improve on its  philosophy?  I want you 
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> understand that I do not intend my question as an attack upon you;
>>>>>>>>> but,
>>>>>>>>> instead, I truly want to see if this is where you are going.
>>>>>>>>> Because,
>>>>>>>>> if so, I think we may have the beginnings of a rather forward
>>>>>>>>> thinking
>>>>>>>>> discussion about a substantive way of moving forward that if we
>>>>>>>>> advance
>>>>>>>>> it to the leadership of the NFB in exactly the right way, we might
>>>>>>>>> perhaps gain ground not otherwise obtainable.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> E-Mail:
>>>>>>>>> rforetjr at comcast dot net
>>>>>>>>> Skype Name:
>>>>>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 2010, at 9:02 AM, John G. Heim wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm impressed with the number of swimmers on this list. Its a 
>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>> sign, IMO. It says something about the NFB philosophy.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I may have given the impression that I disapprove of the NFB
>>>>>>>>>> philosophy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> but nothing could be further from the truth. Its very close to my
>>>>>>>>>> personal philosophy of life which is borrowed from Vince 
>>>>>>>>>> Lombardi.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A lot of people think Vince Lombardi was the mean old coach who
>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> do anything to win. No, that was not what he was like at all. His
>>>>>>>>>> players loved him and still gather to meet each year to honor 
>>>>>>>>>> him.
>>>>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> he believed was that life's greatest moments come when you meet a
>>>>>>>>>> challenge and over come it. That's what life is about. That is
>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> is to be human.  You've got to have the will to win, to be the
>>>>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> can be. Strive for perfection, knowing you'll never obtain it but
>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>> the way there, you'll find three things. First, you'll do more
>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ever thought you could. Second, you'll find the struggle itself
>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>> fun. And third, , when you do succeed, it will be the greatest
>>>>>>>>>> feeling
>>>>>>>>>> you've ever had. So when I went blind, I decided I was going to 
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> best damn blind guy I could be. I learned braille, tried to learn
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> play the violin, got a guide dog, and got back into running and
>>>>>>>>>> swimming.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The beauty of Lombardi's philosophy is that whenever you run into
>>>>>>>>>> adversity, you don't say, "Oh, woe is me. Life is so hard."
>>>>>>>>>> Instead
>>>>>>>>>> the response is , "Well, what are you going to do about it?" You
>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>> seek out adversity but when it comes, embrace it. Take it on.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not to create controversy again but like the NFB philosophy, the
>>>>>>>>>> problem with Vince Lombardi's philosophy is that it is easily
>>>>>>>>>> morphed
>>>>>>>>>> into a mentality of showing contempt for losers. You can't live
>>>>>>>>>> Lombardi's philosophy and be satisfied -- well ever really since
>>>>>>>>>> perfection is impossible to obtain. You can always get better. 
>>>>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>> everybody has the same strengths and not everyone can win.  And 
>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>> has any right to tell anyone else how to live their lives.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> anyway, I think you can see the simularity between Lombardi's
>>>>>>>>>> philosophy of life and the NFB philosophy. I would say, though,
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> Lombardi's philosophy is a step beyond that of the NFB in that it
>>>>>>>>>> gives
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> you a sort of method for carrying it out. The idea of never
>>>>>>>>>> settling
>>>>>>>>>> for anything short of success is implied in the NFB philosophy 
>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>> spelled out. I think Lombardi's take on the NFB philosophy would
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> been that the most important thing in life for a blind person is
>>>>>>>>>> striving to reduce blindness to a mere nuisance.  You may never
>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>> there but the most important thing is to never be satisfied until
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> is.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Johnson"
>>>>>>>>>> <stevencjohnson at centurytel.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 7:10 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] swimming (was: Bard(
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think it is just cool that you are swimming.  I think the best
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> would at
>>>>>>>>>>> my skill level is circles!  Good for you in wanting to be a
>>>>>>>>>>> tri-athelete!
>>>>>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of John G. Heim
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 11:25 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] swimming (was: Bard(
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you swim laps and if you have a way to stay on your side of
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> lane, I'd
>>>>>>>>>>> like to hear about it.  I believe most lap pools have the
>>>>>>>>>>> swimmers
>>>>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>>>>> right like on a road. You swim up the right side of the lane and
>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>> the way
>>>>>>>>>>> back you come down the other side. The best I've been able to do
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> swim
>>>>>>>>>>> with my right arm flailing out so that i can touch the lane
>>>>>>>>>>> divider
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>>>> stroke.  That doesn't really work very well.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't really very helpful to tell me my skills need to
>>>>>>>>>>> improve.
>>>>>>>>>>> After
>>>>>>>>>>> all, I already asked for tips on how to improve.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 9:14 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] swimming (was: Bard(
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A lane for yourself alone?  Why?  Is it your swimming skills
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> vastly need improvement; or, perhaps your blindness skills?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> E-Mail:
>>>>>>>>>>>> rforetjr at comcast dot net
>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype Name:
>>>>>>>>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 2010, at 9:04 AM, John G. Heim wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So you're a swimmer, huh?  Do you ever have to share a lane? 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>>>>>> so,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> how do you do it? I have never managed to do that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> successfully.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at the pool at the University of Wisconsin, I call ahead and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> set
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lane aside for me so I can have it to myself. Its only a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> minor
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sacrifice because there are usually several lanes with only 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> person in them. So when they reserve a lane for me, it only
>>>>>>>>>>>>> means
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> other person has to share a lane.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you ever done any open water swimming? I would like to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> enter
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> triathlon but I don't like swimming tethered to someone else. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't get comfortable doing that. It effects my breathing and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't swim normally.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wm. Ritchhart"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 5:04 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Bard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I really like the new digital talking book player.  I do wish
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still smaller and lighter.  With all my swimming gear, lunch,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back-up cane and everything else I have in my gym bag; it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too heavy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Steve Johnson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 8:22 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Bard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John, I have not tried one myself yet, so this is good to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Steve
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of John G. Heim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 3:26 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] Bard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Man, I just got one of those new digital book players from 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> National Library Service.  You might wonder why a computer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nerd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> myself took so long to ask for one of those things. Well, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mostly the reason is that I have 2 tape players that I bought
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> myself
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plus the one from NLS. So now I have to use the player from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NLS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all of the time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But holy cow, is this thing nice. I downloaded a book and put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a USB thumb drive and was listening to a book amybe 3 minutes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting started. And navigation within the book is very nice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your tax dollars at work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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