[nfb-talk] FW: {Disarmed} FW: A personal report from ChairmanGordon Gund

Tue Apr 26 14:16:15 UTC 2011

Hi Terry,

Thank you very much.

They found strep in his blood stream and that is why the Pneumonia came
back.

He is doing better.

Gloria Whipple
Corresponding Secretary
Inland Empire chapter
nfb of WA

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 06:21
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Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] FW: {Disarmed} FW: A personal report from
ChairmanGordon Gund

Hi Gloria;
Take care and I hope your husband gets well, soon.  There are a lot of colds
going around with this crazy, hot, cold, hot, cold, weather.  I was sick,
myself, but not that bad.
Take care.

Terry Powers

-----Original Message-----
From: Gloria Whipple [mailto:ladygloria at webband.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 6:20 PM
To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] FW: {Disarmed} FW: A personal report from
ChairmanGordon Gund

Hi Constance,

I fully agree with you. That is what I am going to try to do.

I had a wonderful Easter after all. Why I say that is because my husband
went into the hospital for the second time with pneumonia and some friends
took me to mass and then to dinner.

You take care.

Gloria Whipple
Corresponding Secretary
Inland Empire chapter
nfb of WA

-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Constance Canode
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 15:08
To: NFB Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] FW: {Disarmed} FW: A personal report from
ChairmanGordon Gund

I know I will probably get kicked off of the list for this, but so be it.  I
have an idea.  I really believe that John is trying to keep himself in the
limelight and is in need of attention.  Maybe if we totally ignore his
comments, don't give him any attnetion whatsoever, he will do us all a favor
and go away.  Others have done this in the past and they went away also.
Just keep hitting the delete key as I have been doing.  I am just tired of
reading this stuff.

I do hope that everyone had a lovely Easter and too much to eat.  I know we
certainly did and we haven't had dessert yet.
At 05:01 PM 4/24/2011, you wrote:
>For the record, I never said any of the following things:
>
>1. you  all want blind people to beg for help from sighted people 2. If
>you oppose a particular modification to the US currency, you want blind
>people to be helpless and dependent, .
>3. John's blanket statement is that we oppose doing this ]accessible
>money] on every level, 4. If you oppose chirping signals, you want
>blind people to die crossing streets 5. John's blanket assertion is
>that we oppose them [audible walk signals] universally
>
>I could probably keep going but I think that's enough.  I notice,
>Joseph, that you never quote me directly. You never respond to what I
>actually say. This current tirade is the result of a statement I made
>that the NFB has said that instead of adding tactile markings to our
>money, blind people should get sighted assistance to identify their
>money. That's a fact. Dr. Maurer said exactly that in his testimony
>before Congress.  From that *factual* statement on my part, you accuse
>me of saying that the NFB wants all blind people to be dependent. Well,
>I simply didn't say anything of the sort.
>
>I can only hope that more rational, fairer memvers of this list will
>see how unfair you are being. You keep accusing me of being unwilling
>to acknowledge that the NFB is in favor of walk signals under some
>circumstances. Yet I have indeed acknowledged that many times.  So
>continuing to accuse me of that is simply dishonest.
>
>Likewise, I never said the NFB is totally opposed to accessible money.
>You're accusing me of being too bullheaded to retract a statement I
>never even made. Its insane.
>
>For the record, I don't think the NFB is totally against audible walk
>signals under all circumstances. And I know the NFB has expressed
>support for accessible money at times. I'd really appreciate if you'd
>stop accusing me of saying otherwise.
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter"
><carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 7:06 AM
>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] FW: {Disarmed} FW: A personal report from
>ChairmanGordon Gund
>
>
>>I just get so tired of the same damned unrelenting straw men brought
>>up time and again, anywhere he can wedge these things in, whether they
>>make sense or not.  He's not been back two weeks and already we're all
>>illogical, unethical, and he's back to the straw man about how we all
>>want blind people to beg for help from sighted
people.
>>
>>If I have learned one thing from politics, it's that certain parties
>>always want to re-frame the argument so that either you agree with
>>them, or you are against something that nobody ever would be.  Either
>>I am right, or you support cruelty to kittens!  What do kittens have
>>to do with anything?
>>
>>So if you listen to John, if you oppose a particular modification to
>>the US currency, you want blind people to be helpless and dependent,
>>despite the fact that very few are helpless or dependent in this
>>matter today, unless it be by choice.  Money identifiers are now $100,
>>and my cell phone can do it for the huge investment of TWO BUCKS.
>>John and I basically agree that electronic identifiers are not a
>>suitable solution to the problem, and yet I cannot support his
>>baseless attacks (and incessant) incendiary claims against the NFB on
>>even this issue.  Despite the NFB's involvement in making the currency
>>accessible, John's blanket statement is that we oppose doing this on
>>every level, and in THREE YEARS (or longer, I think) he has yet to
>>accept a single person's claim to the contrary.
>>
>>If you oppose chirping signals, you want blind people to die crossing
>>streets.  An outright lie.  The NFB opposed these things because the
>>data showed that they drowned out cars resulting in more blind people
>>at risk, not less.  Moreover, as of eight or nine years ago, the NFB
>>has been actively developing a safe replacement for these squawking
>>monsters, and the documented position of the organization is that we
>>support their installation when they will benefit people.  John's
>>blanket assertion is that we oppose them universally.  Our own
>>resolutions to the contrary are not evidence, and nobody can prove
>>otherwise to his satisfaction.
>>
>>If you oppose blanket mandates for descriptive video without any
>>consideration of what kind of descriptive video would be useful or in
>>what context, then you are a monster who wants blind people to be
>>deprived, uninformed, and miserable.  The fact that descriptive video
>>doesn't actually exist as any kind of standard like closed captioning
>>does and that it's just shoehorned haphazardly into SAP channels, that
>>nobody has actually determined what to describe or how, or that any
>>effort to mandate this now can only serve to prevent a universal and
>>standardized solution from emerging is irrelevant.  Again we have the
>>blanket assertion that the NFB opposes what is good and right, is evil
>>for doing so, and not one single argument to the contrary is ever
>>afforded even a first thought, let alone a second.
>>
>>I could go on, at length, but the fact remains that nobody has ever
>>swayed John Heim on a single issue, ever, in the history of his
>>presence on this list.  We are all just illogical, unethical, and he
>>is brutalized and attacked from all sides, asking Dave Andrews to
>>sanction anyone who bruises his poor, fragile ego.  He can dish it
>>out, in spades, in the most incendiary language possible, but he can't
>>take his own medicine.
>>
>>And more importantly, he won't shut the hell up about any of it.  He
>>just continues to trash the NFB, and the good people of this list.  We
>>have not forgotten this, and it should be clear that John is immovable
>>on pretty much anything, and that includes a fundamental belief that
>>the NFB is harmful to the blind.  So then, what is he doing here?  And
>>why is he permitted to remain, spewing this crap day after day?
>>
>>Joseph
>>
>>
>>On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 08:16:28PM -0700, Gloria Whipple wrote:
>>>Too bad that troll doesn't fall off the face of the earth!
>>>
>>>
>>>Gloria Whipple
>>>Corresponding Secretary
>>>Inland Empire chapter
>>>nfb of WA
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>[mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of T. Joseph Carter
>>>Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 17:10
>>>To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] FW: {Disarmed} FW: A personal report from
>>>ChairmanGordon Gund
>>>
>>>The troll returns to one of his favorite ACB-inspired arguments about
>>>how evil the NFB is.  I say again, go away.
>>>
>>>Joseph
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 04:24:42PM -0500, John Heim wrote:
>>>>Yet, the NFB would have us ask for help to identify our money.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Apr 22, 2011, at 9:21 PM, Gloria Whipple wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Hi Joseph,
>>>>>
>>>>>Well done! I like what you had to say.
>>>>>
>>>>>My prayers go out to you and I hope you get better and I hope you
>>>>>are free from cancer soon.
>>>>>
>>>>>All my best,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Gloria Whipple
>>>>>Corresponding Secretary
>>>>>Inland Empire chapter
>>>>>nfb of WA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-
>>>>> >>>>bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>Behalf Of T. Joseph Carter
>>>>>Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 19:01
>>>>>To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] FW: {Disarmed} FW: A personal report from
>>>>>ChairmanGordon Gund
>>>>>
>>>>>Gloria,
>>>>>
>>>>>I think what it boils down to is that language is a powerful thing.
>>>>>The words a person uses are less important than the intent behind
>>>>>them, but from a choice of certain words over others we can infer
>>>>>an intent.  I have been battling cancer.  This implies something
>>>>>about me and my relationship to cancer.  I have been living with
>>>>>it, and I don't want to be.  In fact, I am fighting to make it
>>>>>gone, because cancer is a horrible thing.
>>>>>
>>>>>Am I fighting blindness?  Do I suffer from blindness?  Am I forced
>>>>>to use alternative techniques?  Well yes, I do suffer as a result
>>>>>of blindness.  Not because of blindness itself per se, but because
>>>>>of the reaction of others to it who are not blind (and a few who
>>>>>are, sadly).
>>>>>
>>>>>The refusal to be pigeon-holed into this "sad existence" of
>>>>>"suffering because of blindness" is precisely the kind of supposed
>>>>>"unethical" behavior the NFB engages in by spreading our philosophy.
>>>>>It is akin to those during the 60s arguing against the notion that
>>>>>they were afflicted somehow with being black.  Blindness is a bad
>>>>>thing only if you make it be so, and we refuse to make it so for
>>>>>ourselves.  Moreover, we refuse to allow others to force us into
>>>>>that role.
>>>>>
>>>>>Those who would disparage our efforts to do so are not our friends,
>>>>>just as those who would have you look down upon a man of color
>>>>>because his skin was darker than, say, mine is.  Is he somehow
>>>>>worse of because of that?  Is he lessened as a man or as a person?
>>>>>Does he deserve something less, or for that matter anything more,
>>>>>than any other person simply because of the color of his skin?
>>>>>Most today would say out of hand that he should have the same
>>>>>opportunities anyone would have.  No more, but certainly no less!
>>>>>
>>>>>The blind deserve the same equality that our more sunburn-resistant
>>>>>brothers demanded more than forty years ago.  In just one
>>>>>generation we have gone from a person of color being denied the use
>>>>>of a drinking fountain to electing him to the United States presidency.
>>>>>If there remains racial inequality, it cannot be because of the
>>>>>color of a person's skin anymore.  Some individuals may yet harbor
>>>>>such attitudes (and I recently observed some of those people in a
>>>>>public display, sadly), but society rejects such people as
>>>>>undesirable when they are exposed.  (And believe me, we are
>>>>>exposing them all over YouTube, since the local media won't even
>>>>>report it.)
>>>>>
>>>>>But what about the blind?  The same society who refuses to allow a
>>>>>black man to be treated as a second class citizen openly condones
>>>>>it when a blind man is treated likewise.  Disability is one of only
>>>>>two acceptable areas of discrimination that remain in this country.
>>>>>(The other is so far removed from topical for this list that I
>>>>>won't discuss it here, much to Dave's relief.)
>>>>>
>>>>>We cannot continue to meekly request that we be treated as first
>>>>>class citizens.  It didn't work in the 1940s, and it hasn't worked
>>>>>yet.  Only by refusing to be anything less will we finally achieve
>>>>>that.  Unfortunately, that means getting a bit uppity over language
>>>>>that paints us into a corner, as it were.  I'm not here to be
>>>>>pitied or someone's inspiration.  I'm here because I've got a job
>>>>>to do, and within the National Federation of the Blind, that job is
>>>>>to achieve for myself and for all of us the basic rights of first
>>>>>class citizenship afforded to anyone else in this country today,
>>>>>regardless of their skin color, sexual orientation, and a whole
>>>>>host of other things.
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't expect any more, but I also won't accept any less.
>>>>>
>>>>>Joseph
>>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 09:33:15AM -0700, Gloria Whipple wrote:
>>>>>>James,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks for explaining what I wanted to say about this subject.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I am glad someone is on my side!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Gloria Whipple
>>>>>>Corresponding Secretary
>>>>>>Inland Empire chapter
>>>>>>nfb of WA
>>>>>
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