[nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on

Jeanette Fortin jeanette at fortin-home.com
Wed Jul 6 00:09:10 UTC 2011


colorado springs does not for sure, unsure about denver
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on


> You have to remember that the prime considerations in choosing a 
> location/hotel are rates and size.  If the rates are to high, people 
> can't/won't come.  And ... we need a large convention-style hotel that can 
> hold from 3000 to 4000 persons.  I am sure Colorado Springs doesn't have 
> that, and Denver may not.
>
> Dave
>
> At 04:47 PM 7/5/2011, you wrote:
>>I would love to see the convention come west again, either to Colorado 
>>Denver or Colorado Springs.
>>Closer to my home Montana.
>>I understand why they wish not to come to Montana, but to Colorado because 
>>hotel rates are to high, I don't know about that one.
>>
>>Original message:
>>>Brian,
>>
>>>I would agree.  When I asked Marc why they did not change the date of
>>>Convention giving reasons similar to yours, and also pointing out that
>>>cheaper hotel rates could probably be gotten at other times.  The answer 
>>>was
>>>given that the July Conventions are what the membership want.
>>
>>>Now the one time I actually observed a vote on changing the date and
>>>location of Convention than the ones we constantly go to took place, I
>>>believed that the majority as a hole voted to change date and location to
>>>include other cities and get cheaper rates.  It sounded quite clear to me
>>>the membership wanted more varied locations and times.  However, Marc 
>>>said
>>>that the motion to expand locations and times failed.  The State by State
>>>vote was then called for.  Naturally the result of the votes of the 50 
>>>State
>>>Presidents was to leave the Convention date as it is currently.
>>
>>>Not really a majority decision.  But a decision made using the rules of 
>>>the
>>>body as agreed upon.  I haven't been back to a Convention since.  Nor do 
>>>I
>>>plan to, as long as they are in the middle of summer; when I'd prefer to 
>>>be
>>>on the beach.  I guess you can call that, "William being a sore loser." 
>>>I
>>>call it using my personal time as I see fit.  Should they try having it 
>>>in
>>>Orlando in January, I think I might try to attend the Convention.  I'd 
>>>much
>>>rather be in central Florida In January then now.
>>
>>
>>
>>>Thanks, William
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 4:49 PM
>>>To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
>>
>>>you say the leaders want everyone to attend in person?
>>
>>>the leaders refuse to budge about adjusting the dates so they don't land 
>>>on
>>>4th of july weekend.
>>>i had much more fun camping with friends than i would ever had sitting in 
>>>a
>>>chair listening to a person speaking all day and friends that want to be
>>>with me instead of trying to find someone to eat/do things with after the
>>>sessions.
>>
>>>Bryan Schulz
>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Wm. Ritchhart" <william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net>
>>>To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 1:18 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
>>
>>
>>>>The fact that the Convention is streamed to any degree is huge progress.
>>>>Marc made it clear to me years ago that were he to have his way, none of
>>>>it
>>>>would be streamed.  The leadership wanted all to attend in person.  Not
>>>>via
>>>>internet.  The fact that for the past few years the Conventions are 
>>>>being
>>>>streamed in part or full is huge progress and a huge change from what 
>>>>Marc
>>>>stated to me long ago.
>>
>>>>I am hoping to catch a little of it.  So I hope they get the kinks 
>>>>worked
>>>>out soon.
>>
>>>>Thanks, William
>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>On
>>>>Behalf Of James Aldrich
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 1:03 PM
>>>>To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
>>
>>>>Hi Dave  and list,
>>
>>>>To answer your question, I'm certain if I had been involved, things 
>>>>would
>>>>be
>>
>>>>worse (grin smile)!  I'm starting to learn how to send my own audio 
>>>>files.
>>
>>>>The problem is not those involved with the stream!  One is doing the 
>>>>best
>>>>they can with what they have available!  I'm certain good people are
>>>>involved including yourself and that in itself is a good thing!  The
>>>>problem
>>
>>>>is streaming coventions aren't a high priority with the NFB. Equipment 
>>>>may
>>>>work at the home office but get it on the scene, forget it!  This 
>>>>nonsense
>>>>of not getting the stream has been happening for a good 5 years or more
>>>>perhaps.  I think more people would take advantage of it if it worked! 
>>>>It
>>>>is that plain and simple to me!  The opposition not only streams their
>>>>convention live successfully every year, it is available on demand in 
>>>>its
>>>>intirity throughout  the year!  Anyone who can stand to hear it can do 
>>>>so!
>>>>I think we definitely need to put more of a priority to this than we 
>>>>have!
>>>>We certainly have a good track record when we put our mind to something!
>>>>It
>>
>>>>gets done!  This is one of the things which needs to work much better 
>>>>than
>>>>it has!  What is happening now isn't working or hasn't worked well!
>>>>Therefore, it is roop goldburg to me, why bother?  I would like to be
>>>>bothered and if I can't listen at a particular time, I could listen 
>>>>later!
>>>>This is the age of the Iphone, and other smart phones where people can
>>>>listen where they are, on a bus, outside or heaven only knows where!
>>>>Perhaps Voice of the Nation's Blind should be a full time radio station
>>>>which sells time to those wishing to buy time to present something!
>>>>Perhaps
>>
>>>>it could evolve into being able to pay people to run the operation, what 
>>>>a
>>>>novel idea!  I'm certain too the NFB could partner with various entaties
>>>>to
>>>>achieve a more successful dependable stream!  If various states can 
>>>>stream
>>>>their conventions, why can't the national do the same successfuly?  I
>>>>think
>>>>if it worked, you'd have many people listening whether at the convention
>>>>itself or whether at home or on the go!  This definitely is one area 
>>>>where
>>>>the NFB hasn't done its job as well  as it could be done! How cool it
>>>>would
>>>>be to dial it up or download it from Newsline perhaps!
>>
>>>>I wish I could wave a magic wand or have the expertise to fix things but 
>>>>I
>>>>don't!  The fact of the matter is, how many people would listen is 
>>>>flawed
>>>>because the stream itself is flawed so if the whole world knows the 
>>>>stream
>>>>doesn't work, why bother?
>>
>>>>I'll keep trying throughout the day, but I think your being at 
>>>>convention
>>>>would be a good time to address this issue especially when one considers
>>>>the
>>
>>>>rising costs of everything!  If I could listen dependably, I could Email
>>>>or
>>>>phone my state affiliate representative to tell him how I'd like him to
>>>>vote
>>
>>>>on certain matters!  One could participate in this way and the NFB would
>>>>be
>>>>available for all the world to hear if they wished!  Our critics say we
>>>>aren't an open and above board organization!  Therefore, some might say
>>>>this
>>
>>>>is why streaming isn't a priority!
>>
>>>>All I am saying is we haven't done well in this area!
>>
>>>>Jim
>>
>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 9:15 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
>>
>>
>>>>>Jim:
>>
>>>>>How do you know that the NFB is using a rube goldberg approach?  Were 
>>>>>you
>>>>>involved in the planning and execution?
>>
>>>>>I am sorry too that it isn't working but you and everybody else seem to
>>>>>be
>>
>>>>>pretty eager to condemn without knowing what is going on.  They are
>>>>>trying
>>
>>>>>to offer the stream in 3 different formats this year, the schedule, 
>>>>>URL's
>>>>>etc. were announced in advance -- this hardly seems rube goldberg to 
>>>>>me.
>>
>>
>>>>>Also, I listened to stream last year, and the most listeners I ever saw
>>>>>on
>>
>>>>>at once was about 150 during banquet, most of time under 100.  So 
>>>>>people
>>>>>ask, and bitch and moan when it doesn't work, but it doesn't look like 
>>>>>it
>>>>>is that widely used to me.
>>
>>>>>Dave
>>
>>>>>At 09:34 AM 7/5/2011, you wrote:
>>>>>>Hello
>>>>>>All!
>>
>>>>>>I'm afraid the NFB hasn't ever been serious about live streaming audio
>>>>>>especially when it comes to conventions.  I fully realize that this is 
>>>>>>an
>>>>>>expense but with the costs going up to go to conventions, I think the
>>>>>>expense could be justified.  Until that happens,we will always have 
>>>>>>this
>>>>>>roop goldburg approach to streaming conventions.  I wish it weren't so
>>>>>>but
>>
>>>>>>one cannot depend on the stream nor hear it at a later time till the
>>>>>>Monitor comes out.
>>
>>>>>>Jim
>>
>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>>>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 7:36 AM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
>>
>>
>>>>>>>I can't hear anything.  When I try to open up the windows media 
>>>>>>>stream,
>>>>>>>I
>>
>>>>>>>get a page error.  Same thing with all the other streams.  I have a
>>>>>>>direct file download for the mp3 stream and it comes up with no audio
>>>>>>>either. Frankly, I am beginning to wonder whether they know what 
>>>>>>>they're
>>>>>>>doing!
>>
>>
>>>>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>>>>The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>
>>>>>>>Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>
>>>>>>>Skype name:
>>>>>>>barefootedray
>>
>>>>>>>Facebook:
>>>>>>>facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>>On Jul 5, 2011, at 8:22 AM, mr. hooper wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>ac tually it is on but i think their audio board isn't set up right 
>>>>>>>>if
>>>>>>>>you turn your volume way up you can here it.
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>>>>>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 8:14 AM
>>>>>>>>Subject: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>Hey,
>>
>>>>>>>>>I think they forgot to turn the streaming for the convention on.
>>>>>>>>>Nothing is active right now and it's already 15 minutes past the
>>>>>>>>>starting time!!!!
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>
>>>>>>>>>Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>
>>>>>>>>>Skype name:
>>>>>>>>>barefootedray
>>
>>>>>>>>>Facebook:
>>>>>>>>>facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>>
>>
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