[nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on

Wed Jul 6 01:59:56 UTC 2011

i never said the convention was for my amusement.
i choose to spend a holiday weekend doing something instead of sitting on my 
butt most of the day.

Bryan Schulz

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on

> William:
>
> I remember the voice vote differently than you. We did vote to try to have 
> conventions in airline hub cities.
>
> As for time of year, January would result in much worse rates in warm 
> cities and extreme travel difficulties in northern climes. Moreover, the 
> only holiday in January is MLK Day and few people get that as vacation 
> time. And as for Brian, I would opine that conventions are not primarily 
> for your amusement; rather, they are for your edification and a vehicle 
> for you to make your voice heard.
>
> Mike Freeman
>
> On Jul 5, 2011, at 17:41, "Wm. Ritchhart" 
> <william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Brian,
>>
>> I would agree.  When I asked Marc why they did not change the date of
>> Convention giving reasons similar to yours, and also pointing out that
>> cheaper hotel rates could probably be gotten at other times.  The answer 
>> was
>> given that the July Conventions are what the membership want.
>>
>> Now the one time I actually observed a vote on changing the date and
>> location of Convention than the ones we constantly go to took place, I
>> believed that the majority as a hole voted to change date and location to
>> include other cities and get cheaper rates.  It sounded quite clear to me
>> the membership wanted more varied locations and times.  However, Marc 
>> said
>> that the motion to expand locations and times failed.  The State by State
>> vote was then called for.  Naturally the result of the votes of the 50 
>> State
>> Presidents was to leave the Convention date as it is currently.
>>
>> Not really a majority decision.  But a decision made using the rules of 
>> the
>> body as agreed upon.  I haven't been back to a Convention since.  Nor do 
>> I
>> plan to, as long as they are in the middle of summer; when I'd prefer to 
>> be
>> on the beach.  I guess you can call that, "William being a sore loser." 
>> I
>> call it using my personal time as I see fit.  Should they try having it 
>> in
>> Orlando in January, I think I might try to attend the Convention.  I'd 
>> much
>> rather be in central Florida In January then now.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks, William
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 4:49 PM
>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
>>
>> you say the leaders want everyone to attend in person?
>>
>> the leaders refuse to budge about adjusting the dates so they don't land 
>> on
>> 4th of july weekend.
>> i had much more fun camping with friends than i would ever had sitting in 
>> a
>> chair listening to a person speaking all day and friends that want to be
>> with me instead of trying to find someone to eat/do things with after the
>> sessions.
>>
>> Bryan Schulz
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Wm. Ritchhart" <william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 1:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
>>
>>
>>> The fact that the Convention is streamed to any degree is huge progress.
>>> Marc made it clear to me years ago that were he to have his way, none of
>>> it
>>> would be streamed.  The leadership wanted all to attend in person.  Not
>>> via
>>> internet.  The fact that for the past few years the Conventions are 
>>> being
>>> streamed in part or full is huge progress and a huge change from what 
>>> Marc
>>> stated to me long ago.
>>>
>>> I am hoping to catch a little of it.  So I hope they get the kinks 
>>> worked
>>> out soon.
>>>
>>> Thanks, William
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of James Aldrich
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 1:03 PM
>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
>>>
>>> Hi Dave  and list,
>>>
>>> To answer your question, I'm certain if I had been involved, things 
>>> would
>>> be
>>>
>>> worse (grin smile)!  I'm starting to learn how to send my own audio 
>>> files.
>>>
>>> The problem is not those involved with the stream!  One is doing the 
>>> best
>>> they can with what they have available!  I'm certain good people are
>>> involved including yourself and that in itself is a good thing!  The
>>> problem
>>>
>>> is streaming coventions aren't a high priority with the NFB. Equipment 
>>> may
>>> work at the home office but get it on the scene, forget it!  This 
>>> nonsense
>>> of not getting the stream has been happening for a good 5 years or more
>>> perhaps.  I think more people would take advantage of it if it worked! 
>>> It
>>> is that plain and simple to me!  The opposition not only streams their
>>> convention live successfully every year, it is available on demand in 
>>> its
>>> intirity throughout  the year!  Anyone who can stand to hear it can do 
>>> so!
>>> I think we definitely need to put more of a priority to this than we 
>>> have!
>>> We certainly have a good track record when we put our mind to something!
>>> It
>>>
>>> gets done!  This is one of the things which needs to work much better 
>>> than
>>> it has!  What is happening now isn't working or hasn't worked well!
>>> Therefore, it is roop goldburg to me, why bother?  I would like to be
>>> bothered and if I can't listen at a particular time, I could listen 
>>> later!
>>> This is the age of the Iphone, and other smart phones where people can
>>> listen where they are, on a bus, outside or heaven only knows where!
>>> Perhaps Voice of the Nation's Blind should be a full time radio station
>>> which sells time to those wishing to buy time to present something!
>>> Perhaps
>>>
>>> it could evolve into being able to pay people to run the operation, what 
>>> a
>>> novel idea!  I'm certain too the NFB could partner with various entaties
>>> to
>>> achieve a more successful dependable stream!  If various states can 
>>> stream
>>> their conventions, why can't the national do the same successfuly?  I
>>> think
>>> if it worked, you'd have many people listening whether at the convention
>>> itself or whether at home or on the go!  This definitely is one area 
>>> where
>>> the NFB hasn't done its job as well  as it could be done! How cool it
>>> would
>>> be to dial it up or download it from Newsline perhaps!
>>>
>>> I wish I could wave a magic wand or have the expertise to fix things but 
>>> I
>>> don't!  The fact of the matter is, how many people would listen is 
>>> flawed
>>> because the stream itself is flawed so if the whole world knows the 
>>> stream
>>> doesn't work, why bother?
>>>
>>> I'll keep trying throughout the day, but I think your being at 
>>> convention
>>> would be a good time to address this issue especially when one considers
>>> the
>>>
>>> rising costs of everything!  If I could listen dependably, I could Email
>>> or
>>> phone my state affiliate representative to tell him how I'd like him to
>>> vote
>>>
>>> on certain matters!  One could participate in this way and the NFB would
>>> be
>>> available for all the world to hear if they wished!  Our critics say we
>>> aren't an open and above board organization!  Therefore, some might say
>>> this
>>>
>>> is why streaming isn't a priority!
>>>
>>> All I am saying is we haven't done well in this area!
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 9:15 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
>>>
>>>
>>>> Jim:
>>>>
>>>> How do you know that the NFB is using a rube goldberg approach?  Were 
>>>> you
>>>> involved in the planning and execution?
>>>>
>>>> I am sorry too that it isn't working but you and everybody else seem to
>>>> be
>>>
>>>> pretty eager to condemn without knowing what is going on.  They are
>>>> trying
>>>
>>>> to offer the stream in 3 different formats this year, the schedule, 
>>>> URL's
>>>> etc. were announced in advance -- this hardly seems rube goldberg to 
>>>> me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Also, I listened to stream last year, and the most listeners I ever saw
>>>> on
>>>
>>>> at once was about 150 during banquet, most of time under 100.  So 
>>>> people
>>>> ask, and bitch and moan when it doesn't work, but it doesn't look like 
>>>> it
>>>> is that widely used to me.
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> At 09:34 AM 7/5/2011, you wrote:
>>>>> Hello
>>>>> All!
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm afraid the NFB hasn't ever been serious about live streaming audio
>>>>> especially when it comes to conventions.  I fully realize that this is 
>>>>> an
>>>>> expense but with the costs going up to go to conventions, I think the
>>>>> expense could be justified.  Until that happens,we will always have 
>>>>> this
>>>>> roop goldburg approach to streaming conventions.  I wish it weren't so
>>>>> but
>>>
>>>>> one cannot depend on the stream nor hear it at a later time till the
>>>>> Monitor comes out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 7:36 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't hear anything.  When I try to open up the windows media 
>>>>>> stream,
>>>>>> I
>>>
>>>>>> get a page error.  Same thing with all the other streams.  I have a
>>>>>> direct file download for the mp3 stream and it comes up with no audio
>>>>>> either. Frankly, I am beginning to wonder whether they know what 
>>>>>> they're
>>>>>> doing!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Skype name:
>>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Facebook:
>>>>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 5, 2011, at 8:22 AM, mr. hooper wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ac tually it is on but i think their audio board isn't set up right 
>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>> you turn your volume way up you can here it.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 8:14 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think they forgot to turn the streaming for the convention on.
>>>>>>>> Nothing is active right now and it's already 15 minutes past the
>>>>>>>> starting time!!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Skype name:
>>>>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Facebook:
>>>>>>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>>>>
>>>>
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