[nfb-talk] orlando attractions
Bryan Schulz
b.schulz at sbcglobal.net
Wed Jun 29 14:43:51 UTC 2011
hi,
that's also what i meant by common sense as another poster thought it was no
big deal to take your dog on space mountain.
Bryan Schulz
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] orlando attractions
>
> Dear Brian and All,
>
> If I misstated myself, I apologize. What I meant to say is that you, as a
> guide dog user, need to consider your dog in making the decision to take
> them to a Florida theme park in the Summer.
> Dogs are much more likely to get heat stroke than are people and they
> often can not tell you it is getting to them as a person can.
> The theme parks are very hot in the Summer here and there is the
> possibility of your dog getting heat stroke or even burning its paws
> walking on the hot surfaces or standing in line to get on to a ride.
> Most rides, the dog is not going to be able to accompany you on as it is
> too dangerous for the dog, you and the other theme park guest and
> operation personnel.
> Anyone who comes here this time of year must Use some common sense.
> The theme park employees are specifically prohibited from touching or
> handling your dog and are not responsible for watching them any more than
> they are for watching someone's child while you go on a ride. Would you
> leave a baby with a stranger just so you could take a ride? In this state
> you could be arrested and charged with child neglect or abuse if you left
> your child basically unattended . You can also be arrested here for
> leaving your dog in a car unattended too. . Why would you do that to
> your guide dog?
> Why stress the dog out? Think about it and look at your options first.
> You can take your dog, but be sure to take care of their needs and health.
> One fun day at the park is not worth hurting your best friend.
> There are boarding kennels at most all of the parks that are air
> conditioned, clean and the animals are well looked after.
> May be you have a friend you can have watch your dog back at the hotel or
> who will go with you and take care of the dog to see to it that the dog is
> safe and reduce the stress.
> I want everyone who comes to visit us here in Florida,especially guide dog
> users, to have a great time and come back and see us again. Just use
> some reason and common sense in deciding what you will do with your dog.
> The reason the dogs are not allowed on the rides are many.
> The dog can get sick and throw up or have a bal movement due to fright or
> excitement. Would you like to be the next rider to climb into that ride
> car?
> Would you like to be the employee that has to clean it up and maybe put
> the ride out of use to do it?
> Would you want to be in a rider car with an animal that is frightened and
> trying to get out of the car while the ride is in motion? Someone , or
> the animal is going to get hurt possibly and who is going to be to blame?
> I can see some of these issues and I think that I will take it upon myself
> to try to make it better for our members the next time we host the
> convention here in Orlando in 2013 and 2015.
> I will work to have some special tours set up that will help with seeing
> to it that your guide dog has a safe place to wait for you or that there
> are some people here to help to get you around the parks in a guided tour.
> Maybe we can even get some other perks thrown in too, like lunch with
> Mickey Mouse or something.
> I will see what I can do and get back to you all on the list and through
> the Braille Monitor later.
> I likely can not do anything much this time, but when you all come back
> again it will be better.
>
> David Evans,NFBF and GD Jack.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Miller" <brian-r-miller at uiowa.edu>
> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 7:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] orlando attractions
>
>
>> Hi Bryan,
>>
>> This is why I offered the cautionary note about the weather and the
>> heat...
>> However, there are shoes that a dog can wear to protect their paws.
>>
>> Brian M
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 11:12 PM
>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] orlando attractions
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> i hope some common sense would be considered as probably at least 90% of
>> most parks are asphalt and could easily burn the dogs paws.
>>
>> Bryan Schulz
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Brian Miller" <brian-r-miller at uiowa.edu>
>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 9:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] orlando attractions
>>
>>
>>> Hi Dave and listers,
>>>
>>> I disagree about the blanket statement regarding dogs and amusement
>>> parks.
>>> I use a cane, but my wife uses a dog, and she brings him to all the
>>> parks.
>>> We've been to Disneyland, Disney World, Epcot, Magic Mountain in Los
>>> Angeles, Marine World in the Bay Area, and probably others I'm
>>> forgetting.
>>>
>>> Her dog actually went on some of the more chill rides, but he even went
>>> on
>>> Pirates of the Caribbean and was fine. Obviously the coasters are a
>>> no-go,
>>> so someone either has to stay back with the dog and wait at the loading
>>> station and switch out when the owner returns, or, in some cases, you
>>> can
>>> tie down the dog and leave them there for the three minutes or so you
>>> are
>>> on
>>> the ride, and often the operators will make sure no one bothers the dog.
>>> This is obviously according to one's preference, however.
>>>
>>> We've often traveled with friends to parks, so one couple will ride
>>> while
>>> the other holds the dog, then they switch off.
>>>
>>> In any case, it is entirely up to you what you do, but I wouldn't say
>>> under
>>> no circumstances take a dog. You should consider the weather, too --
>>> especially in Disney World in July it will be scortching hot, and
>>> running
>>> around all day in that heat might be too much for the dog to take --
>>> heck,
>>> for the humans too.
>>>
>>> Have fun, either way, that's the point.
>>>
>>> Brian M
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of David Evans
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 9:05 PM
>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] orlando attractions
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> I would say that you should not take your guide dog along as it is very
>>> hot
>>> and they can not go on the rides. You would need someone to hold on to
>>> your
>>> dog when you were on the rides and the employees are not allowed to help
>>> you
>>> by watching your dog.
>>> The parks all have boarding kennels where you can leave your dog in the
>>> air
>>> conditioning and they will be watered and safe.
>>> If you can use a cane, take a folding cane or a telescoping cane as you
>>> can
>>> keep this with you in the ride cars. I use a "D" ring clip on the
>>> lanyard
>>> to clip it to a belt loop and leave my hands free and without worry that
>>> my
>>> cane is going to get flung out of the ride car. I use a telescoping
>>> cane
>>> and never had a problem, even on Space Mountain which is very rough and
>>> has
>>> both positive and negative "G's".
>>> I have gone to the parks at least 12 times since I moved back her to
>>> Florida.
>>> I like Epcot the best and Disney World second.
>>>
>>> I think that when the convention comes back again in 2013, I will do
>>> something about having some tours set up and tickets ready for sale to
>>> help
>>> people.
>>>
>>> David Evans,NFBF and GD Jack.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 5:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] orlando attractions
>>>
>>>
>>>> Theme park with a guide dog? Not a good idea. Its very hot and
>>>> congested
>>>> and you cannot take your guide on the ride anyway. So what would it do
>>>> during that time? I think you'd be better off with a cane and still
>>>> you
>>>> have to find somewhere to place the cane while you're on the ride. I've
>>>> not been alone so I'm not sure what you'd do with a cane.
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Jessica
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 1:34 PM
>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] orlando attractions
>>>>
>>>> David that is amazing. I have been to several theme parks but always
>>>> with
>>>> someone sighted. Universal's parks are so humungus though lol.
>>>> Also has anyone went to a theme park with a guide dog?
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 28, 2011, at 9:27 AM, "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Jessica,
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not let the thought of visiting a theme park worry me much.
>>>>> Several years ago, I went to a National Convention in Dallas and when
>>>>> to
>>>>> Six Flags Over Texas.
>>>>> I was with 3 other Blind people who were total and I was the only one
>>>>> with any vision at all.
>>>>> As we came through the gate at the park, a park employee stopped us
>>>>> and
>>>>> seemed concerned because we were all Blind.
>>>>> He told us to wait there and he would be back in a few minutes. He
>>>>> did
>>>>> not say why we should wait, but we were afraid that they were going to
>>>>> try to throw us out of the park.
>>>>> We did not wait around, but took off to enjoy ourselves until they
>>>>> caught
>>>
>>>>> us and tossed us out under protest.
>>>>> We found our way around by asking questions of other people and rode
>>>>> just
>>>
>>>>> about every thing.
>>>>> One of the people I was with, a tall blind guy named Richard, said
>>>>> that
>>>>> he would like to go on a roll-a-coaster, but not one that went upside
>>>>> down. He was afraid that it would make him sick or that he would fall
>>>>> out
>>>
>>>>> of it.
>>>>> We did not tell him, but we took him on at least 4 coasters that day
>>>>> that
>>>
>>>>> did go upside down and later when we told him what he had done, you
>>>>> could
>>>
>>>>> not wipe the grin off his face. Richard"s parents had always
>>>>> sheltered
>>>>> him and discouraged him from trying things because they were afraid he
>>>>> would get hurt. He had no self confidence at this point in his life
>>>>> and
>>>>> both of his parents were now dead.
>>>>>
>>>>> We also drove the bumper cars.
>>>>> We had to wait in line for the ride and as we got up to the front, the
>>>>> ride operators would count off so many people and then send them out
>>>>> to
>>>>> get into the cars.
>>>>> When it came time for us to go out and get into the cars, there were
>>>>> only
>>>
>>>>> a few other people that went out ahead of us and got into the cars.
>>>>> The
>>>>> 4 of us split up and using our White Canes felt around and one by one
>>>>> found an empty car and got in.
>>>>> We then sat there for a few minutes until we heard an announcement
>>>>> that
>>>>> asked for volunteers to finish filling up the cars. I could see that
>>>>> the
>>>
>>>>> line was still very long, there were at least 20 cars empty still,
>>>>> but
>>>>> not one person came out to get into the cars after us.
>>>>> Finally, the cars started up and the 4 of us would shout and yell so
>>>>> that
>>>
>>>>> the others would have an idea of where we were. We drove around the
>>>>> track smashing into each other and the other cars as well. I could
>>>>> hear
>>>>> some of the people in the line talking to each other and remarking
>>>>> about
>>>>> us and our driving. Like how do they know which way to go. Did you
>>>>> see
>>>>> that blind guy T-bone that other guy? How do they do that, I would be
>>>>> so
>>>
>>>>> scared.
>>>>> The ride ran a little longer than the other times we had seen go on
>>>>> before us, but it finally stopped and we all got out of our cars and
>>>>> produced our Long White Canes.
>>>>> I was closest to the exit and I yelled to the others and they used
>>>>> their
>>>>> canes and worked their way around all of the stopped cars and over to
>>>>> where I was standing on the curb.
>>>>> As the last of our group climbed the curb and we were all together,
>>>>> everyone in the line started clapping and yelling for us. The 4 of us
>>>>> looked at each other and then without a word we all turned to the
>>>>> crowd
>>>>> and did a nice little bow for them. Then we turned around and left
>>>>> the
>>>>> ride laughing.
>>>>> We bumped into people from that crowd the rest of the day and some
>>>>> came
>>>>> over and said that they never thought that anyone blind could do what
>>>>> we
>>>>> did or that they were surprised to see blind people having the same
>>>>> kind
>>>>> of fun as everyone else. They asked if we had special training to
>>>>> learn
>>>>> how to go on the rides and do what we did and we just told them that
>>>>> we
>>>>> had mobility training but that was all.
>>>>> There are about 250 people who will never look at Blind people the
>>>>> same
>>>>> way again.
>>>>> We spent over 6 hours in that park and then found our way out and back
>>>>> to
>>>
>>>>> the bus pickup and with back to the hotel exhausted.
>>>>> That day was a major turning point for Richard and he was never afraid
>>>>> of
>>>
>>>>> going anywhere again after riding the bumper cars and those coasters
>>>>> and
>>>>> going upside down. He still claims that was the best day of his life.
>>>>>
>>>>> David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jessica"
>>>>> <jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 11:03 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] orlando attractions
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm going to call guest services and see what they tell me since a
>>>>>> few
>>>>>> of us plan on going.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2011, at 7:46 AM, "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have no information on Universial Studios, but there is a lot of
>>>>>>> walking there just to get into the main park area.
>>>>>>> I would suggest that you buddy up with someone you know or check
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> the parks ticket offices to see if they have anything special to
>>>>>>> help
>>>>>>> you get around. It is always more fun with a friend.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jessica"
>>>>>>> <jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 10:17 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] orlando attractions
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm wanting to go to islands of adventure to see the wizzarding
>>>>>>>> world
>>>>>>>> of Harry potter. I get concerned though since I have no sight at
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>> how I'll find anything there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2011, at 5:09 AM, "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear Kerri,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Epcot and Disney World have an electronic system that uses a hand
>>>>>>>>> held device to give you directions and information about the park,
>>>>>>>>> as
>>>
>>>>>>>>> you walk around. It can help you locate restrooms, places to eat.
>>>>>>>>> the entrances of the rides and attractions and much more.
>>>>>>>>> Our own Dwight Sayers of the Florida Affiliate has tested these
>>>>>>>>> devices and could give you more about them. Contact the ticket
>>>>>>>>> offices at Disney to get more info.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerri Kosten"
>>>>>>>>> <kerrik2006 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 2:31 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] orlando attractions
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jessica and Everyone:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm kind of wondering the same thing. My aunt and uncle are
>>>>>>>>>> coming
>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>> on July 10th and we are going to Disney but I have the day of
>>>>>>>>>> July
>>>>>>>>>> 9th
>>>>>>>>>> (day after convention) to myself and am trying to figure out what
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> do. I would really like to go to one of the parks but at this
>>>>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>>>>> don't have anyone to go with. I'm also curious to see what others
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> doing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kerri
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/28/11, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm going early rather than staying late.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mike Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Jessica silva
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 9:00 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org; nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] orlando attractions
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I know we are all getting excited for the convention coming up,
>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>> we should
>>>>>>>>>>> be. There will be lots of interesting neat things related to
>>>>>>>>>>> blindness that
>>>>>>>>>>> will be presented and discussed. I'm writing to ask however, if
>>>>>>>>>>> anyone is
>>>>>>>>>>> staying after the 8th, since it will be a weekend. If so, do
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> plan on
>>>>>>>>>>> going to any of the local Orlando attractions or any of the
>>>>>>>>>>> tourist
>>>>>>>>>>> attractions and which ones?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This convention seems like it is going to turn out to be
>>>>>>>>>>> certainly
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> one of
>>>>>>>>>>> the biggest.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> See you all in Orlando.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jessica
>>>>>>>>>>>
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