[nfb-talk] Fwd: Why did the National Federation of the Blind Condemns Lack of Access to New Kindle Fire?

Joshua Lester jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
Tue Oct 4 20:20:16 UTC 2011


I just took care of it.
Blessings, Joshua

On 10/4/11, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
> After all, this is supposed to be an NFB list right?  IF we let the enemy on
> here, we're just not being true to the cause.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
>
> Facebook:
> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>
>
>
> On Oct 4, 2011, at 3:12 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>
>> Those creeps shouldn't even have access to our lists!
>> Those losers are a waste of time, but I'm tired of crazies getting on our
>> lists!
>> We had a similar baffoon, on the NABS list, as well.
>> I'm glad he got banned!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 10/4/11, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
>>> Why waste our time with this?  Nothing new from the simple minded sapps
>>> who
>>> oppose us surely?
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>
>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>>
>>> Skype name:
>>> barefootedray
>>>
>>> Facebook:
>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 4, 2011, at 2:45 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>>> Look at what this idiot just sent, to the entire NFB of Arkansas!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: terrysteve at suddenlink.net
>>>> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 13:59:48 -0500
>>>> Subject: Why did the National Federation of the Blind Condemns Lack of
>>>> Access to New Kindle Fire?
>>>> To: tosheeler at cox.net, bkshfreeman at gmail.com, bfreeman0420 at gmail.com,
>>>> vtscott at cox.net, leaann1967 at gmail.com, j.scholes at sbcglobal.net,
>>>> bogan1265 at yahoo.com, geofynder at gmail.com, Gogetm00 at aol.com,
>>>> hayleyksch at gmail.com, dave.mehler at gmail.com, walkercutoff at att.net,
>>>> Donna.Walker at arkansas.gov, Matt.Lyles at arkansas.gov,
>>>> lyles_j at sbcglobal.net, honestblindman at gmail.com, pat.nfb at att.net,
>>>> bkkindle at yahoo.com, Teddey3000 at aol.com, james.worley at cox.net,
>>>> twedwards1111 at gmail.com, anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com, deweycoursey at cox.net,
>>>> lizngraves at yahoo.com, erp at uark.edu, mika_hooper at yahoo.com,
>>>> Matteri at cox.net, donbrey at gmail.com, trinitymlovell at gmail.com,
>>>> clj_smith at yahoo.com, arspurplegirl at cox.net, delreal93 at yahoo.com,
>>>> ctroby at uark.edu, e.yarberry at gmail.com, jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu,
>>>> gvwright2 at juno.com, lhwayland at sbcglobal.net, joshcrunkleton at gmail.com,
>>>> showard826 at gmail.com, jsexson at live.com, sflesher at yahoo.com,
>>>> diane403bill at suddenlink.net, abhoxeng at yahoo.com, hoxeng at aol.com,
>>>> barefootinar at yahoo.com, peter-hoffman at att.net, kaylaltodd at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> Get a grip folks! There are many devices designed, manufactured and sold
>>>> that are not "blind friendly". And rightly so! It was stated that "The
>>>> feasibility of including accessibility in similar products has been
>>>> demonstrated." As a result of this statement there must be devices of
>>>> this
>>>> nature that are "blind friendly". So the blind apparently do have this
>>>> technology available to them. And just to put a point on it, the Kindle
>>>> Fire
>>>> is a PERSONAL devise, not a community device. There are dozens of
>>>> devices
>>>> that use touch screens. None of these are "blind friendly". I doubt if
>>>> the
>>>> technology now exists to make them "blind friendly".
>>>>
>>>> This tirade by Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of
>>>> the
>>>> Blind, is typical of individuals that get so fanatical about  an issue
>>>> they
>>>> have loose touch with the reality of the real world in their unrealistic
>>>> search for and unworldly and unobtainable utopia. I have books on my
>>>> shelf
>>>> that the blind cannot read; must all my books be audio? I have clocks in
>>>> my
>>>> home that the blind cannot use to tell the time; must all my clocks be
>>>> talking. I drive a car that the blind cannot drive. This is not me being
>>>> unsympathetic to the blind or to the cause of the blind, it is me being
>>>> realistic in my reality. There is technology that the blind cannot use
>>>> because they are blind. Sorry, FACT! There is technology that cannot be
>>>> made
>>>> available to the blind due to our level of technology at this time.
>>>> Touch
>>>> screens in use by many devices again come to mind. Can't we focus on
>>>> what
>>>> can be done and what needs to be done. Not on minor issues as that
>>>> below?
>>>>
>>>> Dr. Maurer should rethink his position regarding Amazon, waste not his
>>>> energy on such nonsense and concentrate on those things which actually
>>>> help
>>>> our cause. Senselessly attacking anything that is not "blind friendly"
>>>> actually hurts the cause. Using some common sense in choosing the issues
>>>> to
>>>> tackle is important to our cause.
>>>>
>>>> Lets tone down the rhetoric and concentrate on issues that help our
>>>> blind
>>>> friends and make the public aware of their real needs and not insist on
>>>> unnecessary requirements that turn the public against us and out cause
>>>> and
>>>> make us look like foolish fanatics. Stop hurting our cause with self
>>>> serving
>>>> rhetoric.
>>>>
>>>> Steve Terry
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: <tosheeler at cox.net>
>>>> To: <bkshfreeman at gmail.com>; <bfreeman0420 at gmail.com>;
>>>> <vtscott at cox.net>;
>>>> <leaann1967 at gmail.com>; <j.scholes at sbcglobal.net>;
>>>> <bogan1265 at yahoo.com>;
>>>> <geofynder at gmail.com>; <Gogetm00 at aol.com>; <hayleyksch at gmail.com>;
>>>> <dave.mehler at gmail.com>; <walkercutoff at att.net>;
>>>> <Donna.Walker at arkansas.gov>; <Matt.Lyles at arkansas.gov>;
>>>> <lyles_j at sbcglobal.net>; <honestblindman at gmail.com>; <pat.nfb at att.net>;
>>>> <bkkindle at yahoo.com>; <Teddey3000 at aol.com>; <james.worley at cox.net>;
>>>> <twedwards1111 at gmail.com>; <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>;
>>>> <deweycoursey at cox.net>;
>>>> <lizngraves at yahoo.com>; <erp at uark.edu>; <mika_hooper at yahoo.com>;
>>>> <Matteri at cox.net>; <donbrey at gmail.com>; <trinitymlovell at gmail.com>;
>>>> <clj_smith at yahoo.com>; <hayleyksch at gmail.com>; <arspurplegirl at cox.net>;
>>>> <delreal93 at yahoo.com>; <ctroby at uark.edu>; <e.yarberry at gmail.com>;
>>>> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>; <gvwright2 at juno.com>;
>>>> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>; <lhwayland at sbcglobal.net>;
>>>> <joshcrunkleton at gmail.com>; <showard826 at gmail.com>; <jsexson at live.com>;
>>>> <sflesher at yahoo.com>; <diane403bill at suddenlink.net>;
>>>> <abhoxeng at yahoo.com>;
>>>> <hoxeng at aol.com>; <barefootinar at yahoo.com>; <Terrysteve at suddenlink.net>;
>>>> <peter-hoffman at att.net>; <kaylaltodd at gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 6:19 PM
>>>> Subject: Fwd: National Federation of the Blind Condemns Lack of Access
>>>> to
>>>> New Kindle Fire
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: "Freeh, Jessica" <JFreeh at nfb.org>
>>>>> To: Alpidio Rolon <arguza at attglobal.net>, Amy Buresh
>>>>> <amy.buresh74 at gmail.com>,
>>>> Art Schreiber <blindart at samobile.net>, Beth Rival <erival at comcast.net>,
>>>> Bill
>>>> Packee <alaskanfb at yahoo.com>, Bob Kresmer <krezguy at cox.net>, Carl
>>>> Jacobsen
>>>> <office at nfbny.org>, Cassandra McNabb <cemcnabb21 at yahoo.com>, Cathy
>>>> Jackson
>>>> <cathyj at iglou.com>, Charlene Smyth <cs.nfbwv at verizon.net>, "Christine G.
>>>> Hall" <c.tessa4 at comcast.net>, Dan Hicks <danjhicks at yahoo.com>, Daniel
>>>> Burke
>>>> <burke.dall at gmail.com>, Don Galloway <dgalloway627 at gmail.com>, Donna
>>>> Wood
>>>> <donnajwood at cox.net>, Duane Iverson <diverson at samobile.net>, Elsie
>>>> Dickerson
>>>> <elsiedickerson at ymail.com>, Frank Lee <francois57 at comcast.net>, Franklin
>>>> Shiner <fshiner at myfairpoint.net>, Fred Schroeder <fschroeder at sks.com>,
>>>> Garrick Scott <gscott at nfbga.org>, Gary Ray <ghraynfbofnc at charter.net>,
>>>> Gary
>>>> Wunder <gwunder at earthlink.net>, Grace Pires <silvara at cox.net>, "J.W.
>>>> Smith"
>>>> <jwsmithnfb at verizon.net>, James Antonacci <president at nfbp.org>, Jeannie
>>>> Massay <Jmassay1 at cox.net>, Jennifer Dunnam
>>>> <jennifer.dunnam1829 at gmail.com>,
>>>> Joe Ruffalo <nfbnj at yahoo.com>, John Batron <jbatron at maine.rr.com>, John
>>>> Fritz
>>>> <johnfritz at centurytel.net>, Joy Harris <joy.harris at dwx.com>, Joyce
>>>> Scanlan
>>>> <joyce.scanlan at earthlink.net>, Ken Rollman <gatorbumps at rushmore.com>,
>>>> Kim
>>>> Williams <rkvend at aol.com>, Kimberly Flores <kflores at nfb-texas.org>,
>>>> Larry
>>>> Posont <president.nfb.mi at gmail.com>, Lynn Majewski <majla at verizon.net>,
>>>> Mary
>>>> Willows <mwillows at sbcglobal.net>, Melissa Riccobono
>>>> <melissa at riccobono.us>,
>>>> Michael Barber <michael.NFBI at gmail.com>, Michael Freeman
>>>> <k7uij at panix.com>,
>>>> Mika Pyyhkala <pyyhkala at gmail.com>, Nani Fife <nanifife at aol.com>, Pam
>>>> Allen
>>>> <pallen at lcb-ruston.com>, Parnell Diggs <parnell at sccoast.net>, Patti
>>>> Chang
>>>> <pattichang at att.net>, Rena Smith <realhappygirl1 at gmail.com>, Ron Brown
>>>> <rb15 at iquest.net>, "Gardner, Ron" <RGardner at nfb.org>, Sam Gleese
>>>> <SGleese at city.jackson.ms.us>, Scott LaBarre <slabarre at labarrelaw.com>,
>>>> Terry
>>>> Sheeler <tosheeler at cox.net>
>>>>> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:50:08 -0700
>>>>> Subject: National Federation of the Blind Condemns Lack of Access to
>>>>> New
>>>> Kindle Fire
>>>>>
>>>>> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>>>>>
>>>>> CONTACT:
>>>>> Chris Danielsen
>>>>> Director of Public Relations
>>>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>>>> (410) 659-9314, extension 2330
>>>>> (410) 262-1281 (Cell)
>>>>> cdanielsen at nfb.org
>>>>>
>>>>> National Federation of the Blind Condemns
>>>>> Lack of Access to New Kindle Fire
>>>>>
>>>>> Baltimore, Maryland (September 29, 2011): The National Federation of
>>>>> the
>>>>> Blind commented today on the release of Amazon's new Kindle Fire, which
>>>>> cannot be used by people who are blind.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind,
>>>>> said:
>>>>> "Blind Americans have repeatedly asked Amazon to include accessibility
>>>>> for
>>>>> the blind in its Kindle product line.  The feasibility of including
>>>>> accessibility in similar products has been demonstrated.  The
>>>>> Department
>>>>> of Education and the Department of Justice have made it clear that
>>>>> Kindle
>>>>> devices cannot be purchased by educational institutions, libraries, and
>>>>> other entities covered by this country's disability laws unless the
>>>>> devices are fully accessible.  Despite all this, Amazon has released a
>>>>> brand new Kindle device, the Kindle Fire, which cannot be used by
>>>>> people
>>>>> who are blind.  Enough!  We condemn this latest action by Amazon and
>>>>> reiterate that we will not tolerate technological discrimination.  The
>>>>> National Federation of the Blind seeks nothing less than equal access
>>>>> to
>>>>> all technology for blind people.  It is one of the most critical civil
>>>>> rights issues facing blind Americans in the twenty-first century, and
>>>>> we
>>>>> will do everything in our power to see that this right is secured."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ###
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> About the National Federation of the Blind
>>>>> With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind is
>>>>> the
>>>>> largest and most influential membership organization of blind people in
>>>>> the United States.  The NFB improves blind people's lives through
>>>>> advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs encouraging
>>>>> independence and self-confidence.  It is the leading force in the
>>>>> blindness field today and the voice of the nation's blind.  In January
>>>>> 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan
>>>>> Institute, the first research and training center in the United States
>>>>> for
>>>>> the blind led by the blind.
>>>>>
>>>>
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