[nfb-talk] Fwd: Why did the National Federation of the Blind Condemns Lack of Access to New Kindle Fire?

Tue Oct 4 20:20:28 UTC 2011

hi,

mad as you are, you are another example of how nobody can have a different 
opinion on these lists.

Bryan Schulz

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fwd: Why did the National Federation of the Blind 
Condemns Lack of Access to New Kindle Fire?

> Those creeps shouldn't even have access to our lists!
> Those losers are a waste of time, but I'm tired of crazies getting on our 
> lists!
> We had a similar baffoon, on the NABS list, as well.
> I'm glad he got banned!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 10/4/11, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
>> Why waste our time with this?  Nothing new from the simple minded sapps 
>> who
>> oppose us surely?
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>>
>> Facebook:
>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 4, 2011, at 2:45 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>> Look at what this idiot just sent, to the entire NFB of Arkansas!
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: terrysteve at suddenlink.net
>>> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 13:59:48 -0500
>>> Subject: Why did the National Federation of the Blind Condemns Lack of
>>> Access to New Kindle Fire?
>>> To: tosheeler at cox.net, bkshfreeman at gmail.com, bfreeman0420 at gmail.com,
>>> vtscott at cox.net, leaann1967 at gmail.com, j.scholes at sbcglobal.net,
>>> bogan1265 at yahoo.com, geofynder at gmail.com, Gogetm00 at aol.com,
>>> hayleyksch at gmail.com, dave.mehler at gmail.com, walkercutoff at att.net,
>>> Donna.Walker at arkansas.gov, Matt.Lyles at arkansas.gov,
>>> lyles_j at sbcglobal.net, honestblindman at gmail.com, pat.nfb at att.net,
>>> bkkindle at yahoo.com, Teddey3000 at aol.com, james.worley at cox.net,
>>> twedwards1111 at gmail.com, anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com, deweycoursey at cox.net,
>>> lizngraves at yahoo.com, erp at uark.edu, mika_hooper at yahoo.com,
>>> Matteri at cox.net, donbrey at gmail.com, trinitymlovell at gmail.com,
>>> clj_smith at yahoo.com, arspurplegirl at cox.net, delreal93 at yahoo.com,
>>> ctroby at uark.edu, e.yarberry at gmail.com, jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu,
>>> gvwright2 at juno.com, lhwayland at sbcglobal.net, joshcrunkleton at gmail.com,
>>> showard826 at gmail.com, jsexson at live.com, sflesher at yahoo.com,
>>> diane403bill at suddenlink.net, abhoxeng at yahoo.com, hoxeng at aol.com,
>>> barefootinar at yahoo.com, peter-hoffman at att.net, kaylaltodd at gmail.com
>>>
>>> Get a grip folks! There are many devices designed, manufactured and sold
>>> that are not "blind friendly". And rightly so! It was stated that "The
>>> feasibility of including accessibility in similar products has been
>>> demonstrated." As a result of this statement there must be devices of 
>>> this
>>> nature that are "blind friendly". So the blind apparently do have this
>>> technology available to them. And just to put a point on it, the Kindle
>>> Fire
>>> is a PERSONAL devise, not a community device. There are dozens of 
>>> devices
>>> that use touch screens. None of these are "blind friendly". I doubt if 
>>> the
>>> technology now exists to make them "blind friendly".
>>>
>>> This tirade by Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of
>>> the
>>> Blind, is typical of individuals that get so fanatical about  an issue
>>> they
>>> have loose touch with the reality of the real world in their unrealistic
>>> search for and unworldly and unobtainable utopia. I have books on my 
>>> shelf
>>> that the blind cannot read; must all my books be audio? I have clocks in
>>> my
>>> home that the blind cannot use to tell the time; must all my clocks be
>>> talking. I drive a car that the blind cannot drive. This is not me being
>>> unsympathetic to the blind or to the cause of the blind, it is me being
>>> realistic in my reality. There is technology that the blind cannot use
>>> because they are blind. Sorry, FACT! There is technology that cannot be
>>> made
>>> available to the blind due to our level of technology at this time. 
>>> Touch
>>> screens in use by many devices again come to mind. Can't we focus on 
>>> what
>>> can be done and what needs to be done. Not on minor issues as that 
>>> below?
>>>
>>> Dr. Maurer should rethink his position regarding Amazon, waste not his
>>> energy on such nonsense and concentrate on those things which actually
>>> help
>>> our cause. Senselessly attacking anything that is not "blind friendly"
>>> actually hurts the cause. Using some common sense in choosing the issues
>>> to
>>> tackle is important to our cause.
>>>
>>> Lets tone down the rhetoric and concentrate on issues that help our 
>>> blind
>>> friends and make the public aware of their real needs and not insist on
>>> unnecessary requirements that turn the public against us and out cause 
>>> and
>>> make us look like foolish fanatics. Stop hurting our cause with self
>>> serving
>>> rhetoric.
>>>
>>> Steve Terry
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <tosheeler at cox.net>
>>> To: <bkshfreeman at gmail.com>; <bfreeman0420 at gmail.com>; 
>>> <vtscott at cox.net>;
>>> <leaann1967 at gmail.com>; <j.scholes at sbcglobal.net>; 
>>> <bogan1265 at yahoo.com>;
>>> <geofynder at gmail.com>; <Gogetm00 at aol.com>; <hayleyksch at gmail.com>;
>>> <dave.mehler at gmail.com>; <walkercutoff at att.net>;
>>> <Donna.Walker at arkansas.gov>; <Matt.Lyles at arkansas.gov>;
>>> <lyles_j at sbcglobal.net>; <honestblindman at gmail.com>; <pat.nfb at att.net>;
>>> <bkkindle at yahoo.com>; <Teddey3000 at aol.com>; <james.worley at cox.net>;
>>> <twedwards1111 at gmail.com>; <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>;
>>> <deweycoursey at cox.net>;
>>> <lizngraves at yahoo.com>; <erp at uark.edu>; <mika_hooper at yahoo.com>;
>>> <Matteri at cox.net>; <donbrey at gmail.com>; <trinitymlovell at gmail.com>;
>>> <clj_smith at yahoo.com>; <hayleyksch at gmail.com>; <arspurplegirl at cox.net>;
>>> <delreal93 at yahoo.com>; <ctroby at uark.edu>; <e.yarberry at gmail.com>;
>>> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>; <gvwright2 at juno.com>;
>>> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>; <lhwayland at sbcglobal.net>;
>>> <joshcrunkleton at gmail.com>; <showard826 at gmail.com>; <jsexson at live.com>;
>>> <sflesher at yahoo.com>; <diane403bill at suddenlink.net>; 
>>> <abhoxeng at yahoo.com>;
>>> <hoxeng at aol.com>; <barefootinar at yahoo.com>; <Terrysteve at suddenlink.net>;
>>> <peter-hoffman at att.net>; <kaylaltodd at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 6:19 PM
>>> Subject: Fwd: National Federation of the Blind Condemns Lack of Access 
>>> to
>>> New Kindle Fire
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: "Freeh, Jessica" <JFreeh at nfb.org>
>>>> To: Alpidio Rolon <arguza at attglobal.net>, Amy Buresh
>>>> <amy.buresh74 at gmail.com>,
>>> Art Schreiber <blindart at samobile.net>, Beth Rival <erival at comcast.net>,
>>> Bill
>>> Packee <alaskanfb at yahoo.com>, Bob Kresmer <krezguy at cox.net>, Carl 
>>> Jacobsen
>>> <office at nfbny.org>, Cassandra McNabb <cemcnabb21 at yahoo.com>, Cathy 
>>> Jackson
>>> <cathyj at iglou.com>, Charlene Smyth <cs.nfbwv at verizon.net>, "Christine G.
>>> Hall" <c.tessa4 at comcast.net>, Dan Hicks <danjhicks at yahoo.com>, Daniel
>>> Burke
>>> <burke.dall at gmail.com>, Don Galloway <dgalloway627 at gmail.com>, Donna 
>>> Wood
>>> <donnajwood at cox.net>, Duane Iverson <diverson at samobile.net>, Elsie
>>> Dickerson
>>> <elsiedickerson at ymail.com>, Frank Lee <francois57 at comcast.net>, Franklin
>>> Shiner <fshiner at myfairpoint.net>, Fred Schroeder <fschroeder at sks.com>,
>>> Garrick Scott <gscott at nfbga.org>, Gary Ray <ghraynfbofnc at charter.net>,
>>> Gary
>>> Wunder <gwunder at earthlink.net>, Grace Pires <silvara at cox.net>, "J.W.
>>> Smith"
>>> <jwsmithnfb at verizon.net>, James Antonacci <president at nfbp.org>, Jeannie
>>> Massay <Jmassay1 at cox.net>, Jennifer Dunnam
>>> <jennifer.dunnam1829 at gmail.com>,
>>> Joe Ruffalo <nfbnj at yahoo.com>, John Batron <jbatron at maine.rr.com>, John
>>> Fritz
>>> <johnfritz at centurytel.net>, Joy Harris <joy.harris at dwx.com>, Joyce 
>>> Scanlan
>>> <joyce.scanlan at earthlink.net>, Ken Rollman <gatorbumps at rushmore.com>, 
>>> Kim
>>> Williams <rkvend at aol.com>, Kimberly Flores <kflores at nfb-texas.org>, 
>>> Larry
>>> Posont <president.nfb.mi at gmail.com>, Lynn Majewski <majla at verizon.net>,
>>> Mary
>>> Willows <mwillows at sbcglobal.net>, Melissa Riccobono
>>> <melissa at riccobono.us>,
>>> Michael Barber <michael.NFBI at gmail.com>, Michael Freeman
>>> <k7uij at panix.com>,
>>> Mika Pyyhkala <pyyhkala at gmail.com>, Nani Fife <nanifife at aol.com>, Pam
>>> Allen
>>> <pallen at lcb-ruston.com>, Parnell Diggs <parnell at sccoast.net>, Patti 
>>> Chang
>>> <pattichang at att.net>, Rena Smith <realhappygirl1 at gmail.com>, Ron Brown
>>> <rb15 at iquest.net>, "Gardner, Ron" <RGardner at nfb.org>, Sam Gleese
>>> <SGleese at city.jackson.ms.us>, Scott LaBarre <slabarre at labarrelaw.com>,
>>> Terry
>>> Sheeler <tosheeler at cox.net>
>>>> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:50:08 -0700
>>>> Subject: National Federation of the Blind Condemns Lack of Access to 
>>>> New
>>> Kindle Fire
>>>>
>>>> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>>>>
>>>> CONTACT:
>>>> Chris Danielsen
>>>> Director of Public Relations
>>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>>> (410) 659-9314, extension 2330
>>>> (410) 262-1281 (Cell)
>>>> cdanielsen at nfb.org
>>>>
>>>> National Federation of the Blind Condemns
>>>> Lack of Access to New Kindle Fire
>>>>
>>>> Baltimore, Maryland (September 29, 2011): The National Federation of 
>>>> the
>>>> Blind commented today on the release of Amazon's new Kindle Fire, which
>>>> cannot be used by people who are blind.
>>>>
>>>> Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, 
>>>> said:
>>>> "Blind Americans have repeatedly asked Amazon to include accessibility
>>>> for
>>>> the blind in its Kindle product line.  The feasibility of including
>>>> accessibility in similar products has been demonstrated.  The 
>>>> Department
>>>> of Education and the Department of Justice have made it clear that 
>>>> Kindle
>>>> devices cannot be purchased by educational institutions, libraries, and
>>>> other entities covered by this country's disability laws unless the
>>>> devices are fully accessible.  Despite all this, Amazon has released a
>>>> brand new Kindle device, the Kindle Fire, which cannot be used by 
>>>> people
>>>> who are blind.  Enough!  We condemn this latest action by Amazon and
>>>> reiterate that we will not tolerate technological discrimination.  The
>>>> National Federation of the Blind seeks nothing less than equal access 
>>>> to
>>>> all technology for blind people.  It is one of the most critical civil
>>>> rights issues facing blind Americans in the twenty-first century, and 
>>>> we
>>>> will do everything in our power to see that this right is secured."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ###
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> About the National Federation of the Blind
>>>> With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind is
>>>> the
>>>> largest and most influential membership organization of blind people in
>>>> the United States.  The NFB improves blind people's lives through
>>>> advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs encouraging
>>>> independence and self-confidence.  It is the leading force in the
>>>> blindness field today and the voice of the nation's blind.  In January
>>>> 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan
>>>> Institute, the first research and training center in the United States
>>>> for
>>>> the blind led by the blind.
>>>>
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