[nfb-talk] Fwd: Why did the National Federation of the Blind Condemns Lack of Access to New Kindle Fire?

Tue Oct 4 21:48:43 UTC 2011

while there was no profanity, remember calling people names is bad and can 
be seen as a personal attack. This list is archived.
I think that is why Mike said to keep things  clean.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 4:33 PM
To: NFB Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fwd: Why did the National Federation of the Blind 
Condemns Lack of Access to New Kindle Fire?

She didn't use profanety.
I here Nancy Grace use that term alot.
Thanks, Mrs Whipple, for joining me, in our descent to this message.
Blessings, Joshua

On 10/4/11, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
> Keep it clean, people!
>
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Oct 4, 2011, at 13:05, "Gloria Whipple" <ladygloria at webband.com> wrote:
>
>> What a scum bag!
>>
>>
>> Gloria Whipple
>> Corresponding Secretary
>> Inland Empire chapter
>> nfb of WA
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 12:45
>> To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nfb-talk] Fwd: Why did the National Federation of the Blind
>> Condemns Lack of Access to New Kindle Fire?
>>
>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>> Look at what this idiot just sent, to the entire NFB of Arkansas!
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: terrysteve at suddenlink.net
>> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 13:59:48 -0500
>> Subject: Why did the National Federation of the Blind Condemns Lack of
>> Access to New Kindle Fire?
>> To: tosheeler at cox.net, bkshfreeman at gmail.com, bfreeman0420 at gmail.com,
>> vtscott at cox.net, leaann1967 at gmail.com, j.scholes at sbcglobal.net,
>> bogan1265 at yahoo.com, geofynder at gmail.com, Gogetm00 at aol.com,
>> hayleyksch at gmail.com, dave.mehler at gmail.com, walkercutoff at att.net,
>> Donna.Walker at arkansas.gov, Matt.Lyles at arkansas.gov,
>> lyles_j at sbcglobal.net, honestblindman at gmail.com, pat.nfb at att.net,
>> bkkindle at yahoo.com, Teddey3000 at aol.com, james.worley at cox.net,
>> twedwards1111 at gmail.com, anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com, deweycoursey at cox.net,
>> lizngraves at yahoo.com, erp at uark.edu, mika_hooper at yahoo.com,
>> Matteri at cox.net, donbrey at gmail.com, trinitymlovell at gmail.com,
>> clj_smith at yahoo.com, arspurplegirl at cox.net, delreal93 at yahoo.com,
>> ctroby at uark.edu, e.yarberry at gmail.com, jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu,
>> gvwright2 at juno.com, lhwayland at sbcglobal.net, joshcrunkleton at gmail.com,
>> showard826 at gmail.com, jsexson at live.com, sflesher at yahoo.com,
>> diane403bill at suddenlink.net, abhoxeng at yahoo.com, hoxeng at aol.com,
>> barefootinar at yahoo.com, peter-hoffman at att.net, kaylaltodd at gmail.com
>>
>> Get a grip folks! There are many devices designed, manufactured and sold
>> that are not "blind friendly". And rightly so! It was stated that "The
>> feasibility of including accessibility in similar products has been
>> demonstrated." As a result of this statement there must be devices of 
>> this
>> nature that are "blind friendly". So the blind apparently do have this
>> technology available to them. And just to put a point on it, the Kindle
>> Fire
>> is a PERSONAL devise, not a community device. There are dozens of devices
>> that use touch screens. None of these are "blind friendly". I doubt if 
>> the
>> technology now exists to make them "blind friendly".
>>
>> This tirade by Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of
>> the
>> Blind, is typical of individuals that get so fanatical about  an issue
>> they
>> have loose touch with the reality of the real world in their unrealistic
>> search for and unworldly and unobtainable utopia. I have books on my 
>> shelf
>> that the blind cannot read; must all my books be audio? I have clocks in
>> my
>> home that the blind cannot use to tell the time; must all my clocks be
>> talking. I drive a car that the blind cannot drive. This is not me being
>> unsympathetic to the blind or to the cause of the blind, it is me being
>> realistic in my reality. There is technology that the blind cannot use
>> because they are blind. Sorry, FACT! There is technology that cannot be
>> made
>> available to the blind due to our level of technology at this time. Touch
>> screens in use by many devices again come to mind. Can't we focus on what
>> can be done and what needs to be done. Not on minor issues as that below?
>>
>> Dr. Maurer should rethink his position regarding Amazon, waste not his
>> energy on such nonsense and concentrate on those things which actually
>> help
>> our cause. Senselessly attacking anything that is not "blind friendly"
>> actually hurts the cause. Using some common sense in choosing the issues
>> to
>> tackle is important to our cause.
>>
>> Lets tone down the rhetoric and concentrate on issues that help our blind
>> friends and make the public aware of their real needs and not insist on
>> unnecessary requirements that turn the public against us and out cause 
>> and
>> make us look like foolish fanatics. Stop hurting our cause with self
>> serving
>> rhetoric.
>>
>> Steve Terry
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <tosheeler at cox.net>
>> To: <bkshfreeman at gmail.com>; <bfreeman0420 at gmail.com>; <vtscott at cox.net>;
>> <leaann1967 at gmail.com>; <j.scholes at sbcglobal.net>; <bogan1265 at yahoo.com>;
>> <geofynder at gmail.com>; <Gogetm00 at aol.com>; <hayleyksch at gmail.com>;
>> <dave.mehler at gmail.com>; <walkercutoff at att.net>;
>> <Donna.Walker at arkansas.gov>; <Matt.Lyles at arkansas.gov>;
>> <lyles_j at sbcglobal.net>; <honestblindman at gmail.com>; <pat.nfb at att.net>;
>> <bkkindle at yahoo.com>; <Teddey3000 at aol.com>; <james.worley at cox.net>;
>> <twedwards1111 at gmail.com>; <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>;
>> <deweycoursey at cox.net>;
>> <lizngraves at yahoo.com>; <erp at uark.edu>; <mika_hooper at yahoo.com>;
>> <Matteri at cox.net>; <donbrey at gmail.com>; <trinitymlovell at gmail.com>;
>> <clj_smith at yahoo.com>; <hayleyksch at gmail.com>; <arspurplegirl at cox.net>;
>> <delreal93 at yahoo.com>; <ctroby at uark.edu>; <e.yarberry at gmail.com>;
>> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>; <gvwright2 at juno.com>;
>> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>; <lhwayland at sbcglobal.net>;
>> <joshcrunkleton at gmail.com>; <showard826 at gmail.com>; <jsexson at live.com>;
>> <sflesher at yahoo.com>; <diane403bill at suddenlink.net>; 
>> <abhoxeng at yahoo.com>;
>> <hoxeng at aol.com>; <barefootinar at yahoo.com>; <Terrysteve at suddenlink.net>;
>> <peter-hoffman at att.net>; <kaylaltodd at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 6:19 PM
>> Subject: Fwd: National Federation of the Blind Condemns Lack of Access to
>> New Kindle Fire
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: "Freeh, Jessica" <JFreeh at nfb.org>
>>> To: Alpidio Rolon <arguza at attglobal.net>, Amy Buresh
>>> <amy.buresh74 at gmail.com>,
>> Art Schreiber <blindart at samobile.net>, Beth Rival <erival at comcast.net>,
>> Bill
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>> Jackson
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>> Mary
>> Willows <mwillows at sbcglobal.net>, Melissa Riccobono
>> <melissa at riccobono.us>,
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>> <k7uij at panix.com>,
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>> Allen
>> <pallen at lcb-ruston.com>, Parnell Diggs <parnell at sccoast.net>, Patti Chang
>> <pattichang at att.net>, Rena Smith <realhappygirl1 at gmail.com>, Ron Brown
>> <rb15 at iquest.net>, "Gardner, Ron" <RGardner at nfb.org>, Sam Gleese
>> <SGleese at city.jackson.ms.us>, Scott LaBarre <slabarre at labarrelaw.com>,
>> Terry
>> Sheeler <tosheeler at cox.net>
>>> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:50:08 -0700
>>> Subject: National Federation of the Blind Condemns Lack of Access to New
>> Kindle Fire
>>>
>>> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>>>
>>> CONTACT:
>>> Chris Danielsen
>>> Director of Public Relations
>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>> (410) 659-9314, extension 2330
>>> (410) 262-1281 (Cell)
>>> cdanielsen at nfb.org
>>>
>>> National Federation of the Blind Condemns
>>> Lack of Access to New Kindle Fire
>>>
>>> Baltimore, Maryland (September 29, 2011): The National Federation of the
>>> Blind commented today on the release of Amazon's new Kindle Fire, which
>>> cannot be used by people who are blind.
>>>
>>> Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, 
>>> said:
>>> "Blind Americans have repeatedly asked Amazon to include accessibility
>>> for
>>> the blind in its Kindle product line.  The feasibility of including
>>> accessibility in similar products has been demonstrated.  The Department
>>> of Education and the Department of Justice have made it clear that 
>>> Kindle
>>> devices cannot be purchased by educational institutions, libraries, and
>>> other entities covered by this country's disability laws unless the
>>> devices are fully accessible.  Despite all this, Amazon has released a
>>> brand new Kindle device, the Kindle Fire, which cannot be used by people
>>> who are blind.  Enough!  We condemn this latest action by Amazon and
>>> reiterate that we will not tolerate technological discrimination.  The
>>> National Federation of the Blind seeks nothing less than equal access to
>>> all technology for blind people.  It is one of the most critical civil
>>> rights issues facing blind Americans in the twenty-first century, and we
>>> will do everything in our power to see that this right is secured."
>>>
>>>
>>> ###
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> About the National Federation of the Blind
>>> With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind is
>>> the
>>> largest and most influential membership organization of blind people in
>>> the United States.  The NFB improves blind people's lives through
>>> advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs encouraging
>>> independence and self-confidence.  It is the leading force in the
>>> blindness field today and the voice of the nation's blind.  In January
>>> 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan
>>> Institute, the first research and training center in the United States
>>> for
>>> the blind led by the blind.
>>>
>>
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