[nfb-talk] Alright, from another passionate liberal.RE: nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 62
Mike Edwards
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Thu Dec 27 18:43:02 UTC 2012
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From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
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Digest, Vol 55,Issue 62
> Content preview: Steve is quite correct. I myself to in fact dispute what
> Todor
> says below: however, frankly, that is quite beside the point. On this
> list,
> and in the NFB membership in general, there are blind conservatives
> like
> me: whether the left likes it or not. There are also blind liberals:
> whether
> the right likes it or not. There are also those either in between or
> don't
> care about such things one way or the other: whether either extreme
> likes
> it or not. We are blind people: and therefore, we have the right to
> believe
> what we will about this or that issue. At the same time, we all of us
> have
> an obligation to be willing and able to put these things aside if we're
> going
> to deal with the serious issues which I believe will confront us fairly
> soon
> now. The really sad part, so far as I am concerned, is that, till now,
> it
> seems like we have not been willing even to acknowledge that we're
> going
> to have to face some of these questions. We can't keep this up forever.
> Eventually,
> everybody else's money will be gone and then what do we do. Back in the
> 40's,
> the founders of the NFB decided to try to set it up so that blind
> people
> could receive SSI just based on blindness. Back in those days, the
> situation
> was so bad for blind people that there was a necessity to do this.
> Nowadays,
> however, I wonder quite frankly whether we hadn't better plan for what
> to
> do in the event this is no longer possible. The plain fact is this.
> We've
> gotten so used to the SSI check that it's almost like a kind of
> guarantee.
> But, ask yourself what would happen if it became necessary to effect
> another
> solution and we found ourselves unprepared to handle even the fact of
> the
> question; let alone an answer. [...]
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> Steve is quite correct. I myself to in fact dispute what Todor says
> below: however, frankly, that is quite beside the point. On this list,
> and in the NFB membership in general, there are blind conservatives like
> me: whether the left likes it or not. There are also blind liberals:
> whether the right likes it or not. There are also those either in between
> or don't care about such things one way or the other: whether either
> extreme likes it or not. We are blind people: and therefore, we have the
> right to believe what we will about this or that issue. At the same time,
> we all of us have an obligation to be willing and able to put these things
> aside if we're going to deal with the serious issues which I believe will
> confront us fairly soon now. The really sad part, so far as I am
> concerned, is that, till now, it seems like we have not been willing even
> to acknowledge that we're going to have to face some of these questions.
> We can't keep this up forever. Eventually, everybody else's money will be
> gone and then what do we do. Back in the 40's, the founders of the NFB
> decided to try to set it up so that blind people could receive SSI just
> based on blindness. Back in those days, the situation was so bad for
> blind people that there was a necessity to do this. Nowadays, however, I
> wonder quite frankly whether we hadn't better plan for what to do in the
> event this is no longer possible. The plain fact is this. We've gotten
> so used to the SSI check that it's almost like a kind of guarantee. But,
> ask yourself what would happen if it became necessary to effect another
> solution and we found ourselves unprepared to handle even the fact of the
> question; let alone an answer.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>
> On Dec 27, 2012, at 11:18 AM, "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> This is exactly why we have to be careful what we discuss here. Your
>> comments here are not going to be seen as fact by everyone, and
>> inevitably
>> someone is going to challenge them and sooner or later things get heated.
>> That's not how it should be, but it is how it is on lists. It is as firm
>> a rule as the
>> law of gravity. . While I don't trust any news source that feels they
>> have to tell me that they are fair and balanced, I think that one has to
>> realize that there
>> are cases when any news source is not going to be objective. I could say
>> more about Fox and MSNBC, but it won't help us address the issues that
>> face
>> us as blind people. Each of us has to make decisions about what we
>> support in general, but it is important that we can learn here how
>> various options
>> affect us as blind people so we can act accordingly, and that means we
>> have to get along well enough to be able to share information.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve Jacobson
>>
>> On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:42:12 -0600, Todor Fassl wrote:
>>
>>> Fox News is not the equivalent of CNN. Fox News is a propoganda outlet.
>>> I'm
>>> sorry to be so blunt but it's true. There is a huge difference bbetween
>>> Fox
>>> News and other news sources like CNN and NPR. Fox News deliberately
>>> slants
>>> it's news in order to try to convince it's viewers that the conservative
>>> pointorrect. Real news outlets like CNN, NPR, ABC, CBS and the
>>> rest of the so-called liberal media try to present relevant facts for
>>> you to
>>> use in making an informed decision.
>>
>>> I don't know if this was ever really sincere but Fox News originally
>>> claimed
>>> to be trying to create fairness by deliberately slanting their news
>>> toward
>>> the conservative in order to balance the liberal news media. But the
>>> result
>>> is that they have become a propaganda outlet for the Tea Party and for
>>> cparticularly conservative Republicans. In order to get the equivalent
>>> of
>>> Fox News, you'd have to subscribe to "The Daily Worker" which is the
>>> official newspaper of the Communist Party of the United States.
>>
>>> I hope I've made this distinction clear. By definition, a propoganda
>>> outlet
>>> is a news source that is trying to persuade you to change your political
>>> beliefs. That is what Fox News is. CNN, NPR, CBS, and the rest of the
>>> so-called "liberal media" are at least trying to present all relevant
>>> facts
>>> to help you make informed decisions. Even if you find the theoretical
>>> distinction meaningless, as a practical matter, it makes a huge
>>> difference.
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 12:21 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Alright,from another passionate liberal.RE:
>>> nfb-talk
>>> Digest, Vol 55,Issue 62
>>
>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> Hope all enjoyed the holiday.
>>>> Now, if we can discuss the issues respectfully, I don't see why
>>>> politics
>>>> cannot be discussed as it relates to funding services that impact us.
>>>>
>>>> I think we all should listen to a variety of sources for news, not just
>>>> fox or cnn. Also,
>>>> as for the numbers, I don't quite buy them as it sounds exxagerated,
>>>> but
>>>> I do agree the taxes are a bit unfair with loopholes and leave it at
>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>> We face a serious matter if republicants and democrats don't compromise
>>>> .
>>>> I urge all of you to bring this issue to your congressmen's attention
>>>> and
>>>> say why they need to avoide the cliff.
>>>>
>>>> A few points. It will affect people seeking rehab funding like me who
>>>> need
>>>> equipment upgrades or job support. Order of selection is implemented
>>>> when
>>>> budgets are tough. It will impact the rest of Dept of education
>>>> funding
>>>> and therefore blind kids may not get the support they need with less
>>>> funds
>>>> for equipment and teachers. It means cuts to services blind people
>>>> depend
>>>> on who support themselves while looking for work with no income such as
>>>> food stamps. So lets let our voices be heard on the issues and hope
>>>> we
>>>> avoide the fiscal cliff.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Robert Ortiz
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 9:43 PM
>>>> To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] Alright, from another passionate liberal.RE:
>>>> nfb-talk
>>>> Digest, Vol 55, Issue 62
>>>>
>>>> Mark,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the support. I was beginning to feel a little lonely in
>>>> this
>>>> conversation. I was away from my laptop for a few hours and I'm still
>>>> eating dinner. But I've noticed that I still haven't seen anyone
>>>> address
>>>> the facts and figures I put into my previous postings during this
>>>> afternoon.
>>>> I hope to see someone refute me on the numbers.
>>>>
>>>> By the way, I would like to invite all passionate liberals to feel free
>>>> to
>>>> email me directly if they wish.
>>>>
>>>> And by the way, I would like to also invite all passionate true
>>>> conservatives to email me directly if they would like to discuss real
>>>> numbers.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely, Robert Ortiz, the passionate liberal.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> nfb-talk-request at nfbnet.org
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 7:33 PM
>>>> To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 62
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Re: On Fox News and Spending MythRE: nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55,
>>>> Issue 50 (Mark Tardif)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 19:33:08 -0500
>>>> From: "Mark Tardif" <markspark at roadrunner.com>
>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] On Fox News and Spending MythRE: nfb-talk
>>>> Digest, Vol 55, Issue 50
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>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>
>>>> Alright, another passionate liberal!!! When I lived in Florida I was
>>>> becoming convinced that we were almost extinct. Is it any wonder we
>>>> have
>>>> such a huge debt when the tax rates are so askew? I think not. I was
>>>> of
>>>> the opinion that we would, at the last minute, have a balanced deal to
>>>> keep
>>>> us from going over the fiscal cliff, but now I no longer think so.
>>>> There
>>>> is
>>>> an element that is so hard line in their ideology that rationality has
>>>> gone
>>>> out the window and I think we will very likely go over the edge or, if
>>>> we
>>>> don't, it will be one of these quick fixes that only delays the
>>>> inevitable.
>>>>
>>>> Mark Tardif
>>>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Robert Ortiz
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 4:11 PM
>>>> To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] On Fox News and Spending MythRE: nfb-talk Digest,
>>>> Vol
>>>> 55,Issue 50
>>>>
>>>> Joshua,
>>>>
>>>> I obviously cannot speak for the other side since I'm so obviously a
>>>> liberal. But I suppose that those who like Fox news can always go
>>>> there
>>>> to
>>>> hear their side of news stories. I don't want to sound offensive, but
>>>> I
>>>> obviously don't think that Fox news (or Fixed News as liberals like to
>>>> call
>>>> it) is or has anything "fair and balanced" about it.
>>>>
>>>> And on government spending, I hope everyone would please consider one
>>>> simple
>>>> mathematical fact. First, the richest 2 percent of Americans who have
>>>> approximately half of America's entire wealth pay approximately between
>>>> 12
>>>> and 15 percent in annual income taxes, while the rest of us in the 98
>>>> percent of the citizenry pay between 30 and 35 percent in annual income
>>>> taxes. So the rich pay half of what the poor and middle class pay, so
>>>> we
>>>> pay double what they pay. Does that seem fair to anyone?
>>>>
>>>> Also, the above figures apply to individuals. Last year, over 200
>>>> corporations not only paid NO INCOME TAXES, they also still got tax
>>>> refunds.
>>>> How you ask? Easy, there tax rate on paper is 35 percent, but if they
>>>> can
>>>> deduct 40 percent of their corporate income, then they would still get
>>>> a 5
>>>> percent tax refund on all their corporate profit income. How wonderful
>>>> it
>>>> must be to be rich and get such deals!
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, for those who want sources, check out the website Tax.com and
>>>> google
>>>> everything David Kay Johnston is constantly writing on the subject of
>>>> tax
>>>> fairness.
>>>>
>>>> So, if the rich would have to pay the same percentage in taxes that
>>>> poor
>>>> and
>>>> middle class working people do, not only would there be no spending
>>>> problem,
>>>> but also, America would have bigger surpluses than those that President
>>>> Clinton gave us.
>>>>
>>>> Go ahead everyone, check it out for yourselves.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely, from a passionate liberal who apologizes if I sound a little
>>>> too
>>>> passionate sometimes, Robert Ortiz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> nfb-talk-request at nfbnet.org
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 2:00 PM
>>>> To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 50
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Re: I'll tell ou why we shouldn't talk to Republicans.RE:
>>>> nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 43 (Joshua Lester)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 18:59:34 +0000
>>>> From: Joshua Lester <JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com>
>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I'll tell ou why we shouldn't talk to
>>>> Republicans.RE: nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 43
>>>> Message-ID:
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>>>>
>>>> Okay?
>>>> Where's the other side's oppinion?
>>>> I want this to be fair and balanced, like Fox News!
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> From: nfb-talk [nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Robert Ortiz
>>>> [bobby7391 at optimum.net]
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 12:53 PM
>>>> To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] I'll tell ou why we shouldn't talk to
>>>> Republicans.RE:
>>>> nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 43
>>>>
>>>> Chris,
>>>>
>>>> Don't you remember when President G.W. Bush (Or Baby Blue, as I like to
>>>> call
>>>> him) traveled around America in early 2005 while advocating that Social
>>>> Security should be Privatized, either partially or completely? The
>>>> Republican party has been for years dreaming of stealing the two
>>>> trillion
>>>> dollars in the SS trust fund and handing it to Wall Street who will
>>>> invest
>>>> it in the riskiest craziest derivatives they can invent. Doesn't
>>>> anyone
>>>> remember the banking collapse of 2008?
>>>>
>>>> So what do you think will happen to Social Security in the long term if
>>>> that
>>>> happens? Or isn't it obvious? Also, whenever any republican
>>>> politician
>>>> has been asked over the last decade if the republicans would consider
>>>> giving
>>>> governmental garantees to the beneficiaries of privatized personalized
>>>> Social Security accounts, they have ALL WITHOUT EXEMPTION said
>>>> ABSOLUTELY
>>>> NO. So what does that mean? Well it is very clear. They, the
>>>> Republicans,
>>>> want to use our Social Security FICA insurance which we paid for,
>>>> invest
>>>> it
>>>> in toilet paper investments, milk those investments for all they can,
>>>> and
>>>> then throw us under the bus when those "investments" inevitably go
>>>> bust.
>>>> And if those aren't convincing enough reasons why we shouldn't talk to
>>>> republicans on this issue, then I don't know what reasons would be.
>>>>
>>>> Also, I also wanted to clarify something. I didn't say that the
>>>> failure
>>>> to
>>>> negotiate a deal on the fiscal cliff by January 1st would automatically
>>>> effect anyone's social security check now. I think maybe my previous
>>>> posting was a little misunderstood.
>>>>
>>>> I was trying to explain that for the last three days, President and
>>>> House
>>>> Minority leader Nancy Palosi have both said that they are willing to
>>>> cut
>>>> the
>>>> COLA Cost of Living Adjustment on Social Security beneficiaries by 0.3
>>>> percent. I know this doesn't sound like much, but it is a terribly
>>>> frightening prospect for several reasons.
>>>>
>>>> 1( It would be the first time since the creation of Social Security
>>>> that
>>>> direct monthly benefits would have been cut AT ALL.
>>>>
>>>> 2) this minimum sounding cut is also accumulative. In about 10 years
>>>> or
>>>> less, every SSDI recipient will be receiving about an average of
>>>> $1000.00
>>>> less annually. Can any of us afford that? I know I can't. So this is
>>>> a
>>>> real cut, and not some kind of Consumer Pricing Index readjustment as
>>>> many
>>>> are now claiming.
>>>>
>>>> And 3) This first historic cut to Social Security benefits will open
>>>> the
>>>> DOOR WIDE OPEN to restricting and maybe privatizing Social Security
>>>> which
>>>> would eventually doom the entire trust fund. And if you need proof of
>>>> that,
>>>> then study what has happened to retirement benefit programs in Latin
>>>> American countries whenever those countries have privatized or been
>>>> forced
>>>> to privatize their retirement benefit programs. This craziness has all
>>>> been
>>>> tried before to desasterous effects.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, no one's checks will disappear immediately, but the long
>>>> term
>>>> damage to Social Security may or probably will become UNREPAIRABLE! So
>>>> that
>>>> is why we should worry about how these fiscal cliff negotiations are
>>>> going
>>>> and exactly what the final shape of any deal looks like. It isn't just
>>>> our
>>>> long term future that's at stake, but what about when our kids retire
>>>> or
>>>> God
>>>> forbid become disabled like us?
>>>>
>>>> Finally, I myself am not trying to scare anyone. Besides, I think the
>>>> above
>>>> facts are scary enough.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely, Robert Ortiz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> nfb-talk-request at nfbnet.org
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 5:59 PM
>>>> To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 43
>>>>
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>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Re: nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 40 (Steven Johnson)
>>>> 2. Re: nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 40 (Steven Johnson)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:55:11 -0600
>>>> From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>>>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 40
>>>> Message-ID: <004401cddfce$3bb16170$b3142450$@charter.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> Chris, don't you mean House Majority Leader, John Boehner, pronounced
>>>> Baner?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> christopher
>>>> nusbaum
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 1:45 PM
>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 40
>>>>
>>>> Robert,
>>>>
>>>> This may be more of a political issue than anything, but I'm just
>>>> wondering
>>>> why you wouldn't recommend that we contact Republican leaders in
>>>> Congress,
>>>> especially House majority leader John Weiner?
>>>> After all, they are involved in the negotiations just as much as the
>>>> Democrats are, and they need to know how we feel as well. Now, if this
>>>> is
>>>> an
>>>> inappropriate topics for list, or if it is a political issue for you
>>>> and
>>>> you
>>>> don't want to talk to the Republicans, I understand that.
>>>> Just curious.
>>>>
>>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 21, 2012, at 1:58 PM, Robert Ortiz <bobby7391 at optimum.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I saw a message asking what the fiscal cliff has to do with the NFB
>>>>> and I wanted to answer that question. A WHOLE DAMN LOT ESPECIALLY TO
>>>>> ANYONE RECEIVING SSI OR SSDI! If an agreement isn't reached by
>>>>> January 1st for this bologna "Fiscal Cliff" which I'm praying for,
>>>>> then Social Security WILL NOT BE TOUCHED! But if President Obama and
>>>>> Nancy Palosi continue to offer the damn republicans a cut in the
>>>>> Annual Cost of Living Adjustment COLA for all Social Security
>>>>> recipients, as they have done over the last few days; then all of us
>>>>> blind SSDI recipients will experience our first real cut in our Social
>>>> Security benefits. And remember SSDI stands for Social Security
>>>>> Disability Insurance. And we all paid our FICA taxes over our work
>>>>> lives
>>>>> to receive our DISABILITY INSURANCE! That's right IT'S INSURANCE WE
>>>>> PAID FOR, NOT A HANDOUT!
>>>>>
>>>>> So I seriously suggest to everyone who reads this to do as I have
>>>>> done.
>>>>> Call or email your home state's two senators, your house of
>>>>> representatives congressman for your county, Senate Majority leader
>>>>> Harry Reid, House Minority Leader Nancy Palosi, and President Obama to
>>>>> please not backstab America's blind and disabled!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>> nfb-talk-request at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 1:00 PM
>>>>> To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 40
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and Sequestration
>>>>> (Kenneth Chrane)
>>>>> 2. Re: {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>>>>> Sequestration (Humberto Avila)
>>>>> 3. Re: {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>>>>> Sequestration (Mike Freeman)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 22:11:50 -0500
>>>>> From: "Kenneth Chrane" <kenneth.chrane at verizon.net>
>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>, "NFB of Maryland
>>>>> e-mail list" <nfbmd at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Blind_Democrats at yahoogroups.com
>>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>>>>> Sequestration
>>>>> Message-ID: <CC61E7FF5F26432E9606B39208B1704E at Kens>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>>
>>>>> Email
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: senator at mikulski.senate.gov
>>>>> To: kenneth.chrane at verizon.net
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:40 AM
>>>>> Subject: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and Sequestration
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Mr. Chrane:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for contacting me about the fiscal cliff and the federal
>>>> deficit.
>>>>> It's good to hear from you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Americans need to have a government on their side that is capable of
>>>>> solving tough problems. That's why Congress must act now to avoid the
>>>>> devastating impact of the fiscal cliff and across-the-board cuts known
>>>>> as
>>>> sequester.
>>>>> Without swift action to avoid the fiscal cliff, millions of Americans
>>>>> would see their taxes go up and face spending cuts that could bring
>>>>> our nation back into recession. The longer we delay the more damage
>>>>> we do to ourselves and the economy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My principles for avoiding the fiscal cliff are simple. We must have
>>>>> a combination of spending cuts and new revenue to reduce our debt and
>>>>> still grow the economy. We must also protect the social contract
>>>>> between the American people and their government. Medicare and
>>>>> Medicaid need to be reformed and refreshed not gutted or
>>>>> block-granted.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe there are ways to achieve the savings required to avoid the
>>>>> fiscal cliff in a balanced and thoughtful way. We can start by
>>>>> letting the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts expire for households making more
>>>>> than
>>>> $250,000 per year.
>>>>> This could save an estimated $700 billion over 10 years. We can also
>>>>> make thoughtful and balanced cuts to spending - both military and
>>>>> domestic - that will begin to reduce our deficit. That's why I
>>>>> supported the Budget Control Act passed by Congress in 2011 that would
>>>>> require $900 billion in cuts over
>>>>> 10 years.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What we can't do, however, is use across-the-board spending cuts to
>>>>> get us to a balanced budget. It would unfairly harm middle-class
>>>>> families and do nothing to raise the additional revenue needed to
>>>>> reduce the deficit. In Maryland alone, this could result in the loss
>>>>> of tens of thousands of jobs and $3.1 billion to our state economy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I will continue to work with my colleagues in Congress to prevent the
>>>>> fiscal cliff and make thoughtful and balanced changes to our spending
>>>>> policy to reduce our national debt.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks again for getting in touch with me. Knowing of your views is
>>>>> very important to me. Please let me know if I can be of any
>>>>> assistance to you in the future.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> Barbara A. Mikulski
>>>>> United States Senator
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Please do not respond directly to this e-mail. The originating e-mail
>>>>> account is not monitored.
>>>>> If you would like to get in touch with me again, please visit the
>>>>> comments page of my website here.
>>>>> If you would like to get regular updates, please sign up for my
>>>>> E-Newsletter here.
>>>>> Please follow me on Twitter and Facebook.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:17:19 -0800
>>>>> From: "Humberto Avila" <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff
>>>>> and
>>>>> Sequestration
>>>>> Message-ID: <007901cddf29$b0678580$11369080$@gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>
>>>>> And what does this have to do with the NFB? How are we impacted?
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Kenneth Chrane
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 7:12 PM
>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List; NFB of Maryland e-mail list
>>>>> Cc: Blind_Democrats at yahoogroups.com
>>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>>>>> Sequestration
>>>>>
>>>>> Email
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: senator at mikulski.senate.gov
>>>>> To: kenneth.chrane at verizon.net
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:40 AM
>>>>> Subject: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and Sequestration
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Mr. Chrane:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for contacting me about the fiscal cliff and the federal
>>>> deficit.
>>>>> It's good to hear from you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Americans need to have a government on their side that is capable of
>>>>> solving tough problems. That's why Congress must act now to avoid the
>>>>> devastating impact of the fiscal cliff and across-the-board cuts known
>>>>> as
>>>> sequester.
>>>>> Without swift action to avoid the fiscal cliff, millions of Americans
>>>>> would see their taxes go up and face spending cuts that could bring
>>>>> our nation back into recession. The longer we delay the more damage
>>>>> we do to ourselves and the economy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My principles for avoiding the fiscal cliff are simple. We must have
>>>>> a combination of spending cuts and new revenue to reduce our debt and
>>>>> still grow the economy. We must also protect the social contract
>>>>> between the American people and their government. Medicare and
>>>>> Medicaid need to be reformed and refreshed not gutted or
>>>>> block-granted.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe there are ways to achieve the savings required to avoid the
>>>>> fiscal cliff in a balanced and thoughtful way. We can start by
>>>>> letting the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts expire for households making more
>>>>> than
>>>> $250,000 per year.
>>>>> This could save an estimated $700 billion over 10 years. We can also
>>>>> make thoughtful and balanced cuts to spending - both military and
>>>>> domestic - that will begin to reduce our deficit. That's why I
>>>>> supported the Budget Control Act passed by Congress in 2011 that would
>>>>> require $900 billion in cuts over
>>>>> 10 years.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What we can't do, however, is use across-the-board spending cuts to
>>>>> get us to a balanced budget. It would unfairly harm middle-class
>>>>> families and do nothing to raise the additional revenue needed to
>>>>> reduce the deficit. In Maryland alone, this could result in the loss
>>>>> of tens of thousands of jobs and $3.1 billion to our state economy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I will continue to work with my colleagues in Congress to prevent the
>>>>> fiscal cliff and make thoughtful and balanced changes to our spending
>>>>> policy to reduce our national debt.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks again for getting in touch with me. Knowing of your views is
>>>>> very important to me. Please let me know if I can be of any
>>>>> assistance to you in the future.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> Barbara A. Mikulski
>>>>> United States Senator
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Please do not respond directly to this e-mail. The originating e-mail
>>>>> account is not monitored.
>>>>> If you would like to get in touch with me again, please visit the
>>>>> comments page of my website here.
>>>>> If you would like to get regular updates, please sign up for my
>>>>> E-Newsletter here.
>>>>> Please follow me on Twitter and Facebook.
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> nfb-talk:
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>>>>> rto2%4
>>>>> 0gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:26:49 -0800
>>>>> From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff
>>>>> and
>>>>> Sequestration
>>>>> Message-ID: <FA5FCD01-4B82-498E-9B35-DFB84CD831E3 at panix.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>>
>>>>> Rehab funding.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike Freeman
>>>>> sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 20, 2012, at 19:17, "Humberto Avila"
>>>>> <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> And what does this have to do with the NFB? How are we impacted?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Kenneth Chrane
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 7:12 PM
>>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List; NFB of Maryland e-mail list
>>>>>> Cc: Blind_Democrats at yahoogroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>>>>>> Sequestration
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Email
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: senator at mikulski.senate.gov
>>>>>> To: kenneth.chrane at verizon.net
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:40 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and Sequestration
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Mr. Chrane:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for contacting me about the fiscal cliff and the federal
>>>>> deficit.
>>>>>> It's good to hear from you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Americans need to have a government on their side that is capable of
>>>>> solving
>>>>>> tough problems. That's why Congress must act now to avoid the
>>>>>> devastating impact of the fiscal cliff and across-the-board cuts
>>>>>> known as
>>>> sequester.
>>>>>> Without swift action to avoid the fiscal cliff, millions of Americans
>>>>> would
>>>>>> see their taxes go up and face spending cuts that could bring our
>>>>>> nation back into recession. The longer we delay the more damage we
>>>>>> do to
>>>>> ourselves
>>>>>> and the economy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My principles for avoiding the fiscal cliff are simple. We must have
>>>>>> a combination of spending cuts and new revenue to reduce our debt and
>>>>>> still grow the economy. We must also protect the social contract
>>>>>> between the American people and their government. Medicare and
>>>>>> Medicaid need to be reformed and refreshed not gutted or
>>>>>> block-granted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I believe there are ways to achieve the savings required to avoid the
>>>>> fiscal
>>>>>> cliff in a balanced and thoughtful way. We can start by letting the
>>>>>> 2001 and 2003 tax cuts expire for households making more than
>>>>>> $250,000 per
>>>>> year.
>>>>>> This could save an estimated $700 billion over 10 years. We can also
>>>>>> make thoughtful and balanced cuts to spending - both military and
>>>>>> domestic -
>>>>> that
>>>>>> will begin to reduce our deficit. That's why I supported the Budget
>>>>> Control
>>>>>> Act passed by Congress in 2011 that would require $900 billion in
>>>>>> cuts
>>>>> over
>>>>>> 10 years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What we can't do, however, is use across-the-board spending cuts to
>>>>>> get us to a balanced budget. It would unfairly harm middle-class
>>>>>> families and do nothing to raise the additional revenue needed to
>>>>>> reduce the deficit. In Maryland alone, this could result in the loss
>>>>>> of tens of thousands of jobs and $3.1 billion to our state economy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will continue to work with my colleagues in Congress to prevent the
>>>>> fiscal
>>>>>> cliff and make thoughtful and balanced changes to our spending policy
>>>>>> to reduce our national debt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks again for getting in touch with me. Knowing of your views is
>>>>>> very important to me. Please let me know if I can be of any
>>>>>> assistance to you
>>>>> in
>>>>>> the future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> Barbara A. Mikulski
>>>>>> United States Senator
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please do not respond directly to this e-mail. The originating e-mail
>>>>>> account is not monitored.
>>>>>> If you would like to get in touch with me again, please visit the
>>>>>> comments page of my website here.
>>>>>> If you would like to get regular updates, please sign up for my
>>>>> E-Newsletter
>>>>>> here.
>>>>>> Please follow me on Twitter and Facebook.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> rto2%4
>>>>>> 0gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:58:49 -0600
>>>> From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>>>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 40
>>>> Message-ID: <004501cddfce$bd59d310$380d7930$@charter.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> Chris,
>>>>
>>>> The problem in this country is not the revenue coming in, but the
>>>> spending.
>>>> Based on this, our Government needs to be responsible enough to look at
>>>> cuts
>>>> across the board and this includes SSA benefits. My hope that if a
>>>> compromise canot be reached, all programs will be looked at equally as
>>>> far
>>>> as cuts. I have read that implementing a 1% cut across the board in
>>>> all
>>>> Federal programs could get us out of this mess, but no one will pull
>>>> that
>>>> proverbial trigger. Needless to say, chances are that the COLA for SSA
>>>> benefits would be ended just for starters.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> christopher
>>>> nusbaum
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 1:36 PM
>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 40
>>>>
>>>> Ray,
>>>>
>>>> Although this is merely speculation at this point, I agree with you.
>>>> If an agreement is not reached by January 1, and even if an agreement
>>>> is
>>>> reached on this fiscal cliff issue, some government programs will most
>>>> likely be either cut or eliminated. However, it seems that most
>>>> politicians
>>>> think Social Security is an important program, and most of the people
>>>> I've
>>>> heard say they don't want to touch that program. So, I think those of
>>>> you
>>>> on
>>>> SSI or SSDI will not be affected. Still, it might be good to keep an
>>>> eye
>>>> on
>>>> this issue.
>>>>
>>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 21, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I suspect that those of us on SSI and social security will receive our
>>>> checks. Pay no attention to scare tactis which may try to make you
>>>> think
>>>> otherwise. Now, perhaps however, this may have a negative effect on
>>>> long
>>>> term funding of educational programs; which, of course, would not be
>>>> good.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 21, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Robert Ortiz <bobby7391 at optimum.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I saw a message asking what the fiscal cliff has to do with the NFB
>>>>>> and I wanted to answer that question. A WHOLE DAMN LOT ESPECIALLY TO
>>>>>> ANYONE RECEIVING SSI OR SSDI! If an agreement isn't reached by
>>>>>> January 1st for this bologna "Fiscal Cliff" which I'm praying for,
>>>>>> then Social Security WILL NOT BE TOUCHED! But if President Obama and
>>>>>> Nancy Palosi continue to offer the damn republicans a cut in the
>>>>>> Annual Cost of Living Adjustment COLA for all Social Security
>>>>>> recipients, as they have done over the last few days; then all of us
>>>>>> blind SSDI recipients will experience our first real cut in our
>>>>>> Social
>>>> Security benefits. And remember SSDI stands for Social Security
>>>>>> Disability Insurance. And we all paid our FICA taxes over our work
>>>> lives
>>>>>> to receive our DISABILITY INSURANCE! That's right IT'S INSURANCE WE
>>>>>> PAID FOR, NOT A HANDOUT!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I seriously suggest to everyone who reads this to do as I have
>>>>>> done.
>>>>>> Call or email your home state's two senators, your house of
>>>>>> representatives congressman for your county, Senate Majority leader
>>>>>> Harry Reid, House Minority Leader Nancy Palosi, and President Obama
>>>>>> to please not backstab America's blind and disabled!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> nfb-talk-request at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 1:00 PM
>>>>>> To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 40
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Send nfb-talk mailing list submissions to
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and Sequestration
>>>>>> (Kenneth Chrane)
>>>>>> 2. Re: {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>>>>>> Sequestration (Humberto Avila)
>>>>>> 3. Re: {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>>>>>> Sequestration (Mike Freeman)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>>> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 22:11:50 -0500
>>>>>> From: "Kenneth Chrane" <kenneth.chrane at verizon.net>
>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>, "NFB of
>>>>>> Maryland
>>>>>> e-mail list" <nfbmd at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Cc: Blind_Democrats at yahoogroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>>>>>> Sequestration
>>>>>> Message-ID: <CC61E7FF5F26432E9606B39208B1704E at Kens>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Email
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: senator at mikulski.senate.gov
>>>>>> To: kenneth.chrane at verizon.net
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:40 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and Sequestration
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Mr. Chrane:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for contacting me about the fiscal cliff and the federal
>>>> deficit.
>>>>>> It's good to hear from you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Americans need to have a government on their side that is capable of
>>>>>> solving tough problems. That's why Congress must act now to avoid
>>>>>> the devastating impact of the fiscal cliff and across-the-board cuts
>>>> known as sequester.
>>>>>> Without swift action to avoid the fiscal cliff, millions of Americans
>>>>>> would see their taxes go up and face spending cuts that could bring
>>>>>> our nation back into recession. The longer we delay the more damage
>>>>>> we do to ourselves and the economy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My principles for avoiding the fiscal cliff are simple. We must have
>>>>>> a combination of spending cuts and new revenue to reduce our debt and
>>>>>> still grow the economy. We must also protect the social contract
>>>>>> between the American people and their government. Medicare and
>>>>>> Medicaid need to be reformed and refreshed not gutted or
>>>>>> block-granted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I believe there are ways to achieve the savings required to avoid the
>>>>>> fiscal cliff in a balanced and thoughtful way. We can start by
>>>>>> letting the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts expire for households making more
>>>>>> than
>>>> $250,000 per year.
>>>>>> This could save an estimated $700 billion over 10 years. We can also
>>>>>> make thoughtful and balanced cuts to spending - both military and
>>>>>> domestic - that will begin to reduce our deficit. That's why I
>>>>>> supported the Budget Control Act passed by Congress in 2011 that
>>>>>> would require $900 billion in cuts over
>>>>>> 10 years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What we can't do, however, is use across-the-board spending cuts to
>>>>>> get us to a balanced budget. It would unfairly harm middle-class
>>>>>> families and do nothing to raise the additional revenue needed to
>>>>>> reduce the deficit. In Maryland alone, this could result in the loss
>>>>>> of tens of thousands of jobs and $3.1 billion to our state economy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will continue to work with my colleagues in Congress to prevent the
>>>>>> fiscal cliff and make thoughtful and balanced changes to our spending
>>>>>> policy to reduce our national debt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks again for getting in touch with me. Knowing of your views is
>>>>>> very important to me. Please let me know if I can be of any
>>>>>> assistance to you in the future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> Barbara A. Mikulski
>>>>>> United States Senator
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please do not respond directly to this e-mail. The originating e-mail
>>>>>> account is not monitored.
>>>>>> If you would like to get in touch with me again, please visit the
>>>>>> comments page of my website here.
>>>>>> If you would like to get regular updates, please sign up for my
>>>>>> E-Newsletter here.
>>>>>> Please follow me on Twitter and Facebook.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>>> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:17:19 -0800
>>>>>> From: "Humberto Avila" <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> Sequestration
>>>>>> Message-ID: <007901cddf29$b0678580$11369080$@gmail.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And what does this have to do with the NFB? How are we impacted?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Kenneth Chrane
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 7:12 PM
>>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List; NFB of Maryland e-mail list
>>>>>> Cc: Blind_Democrats at yahoogroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>>>>>> Sequestration
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Email
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: senator at mikulski.senate.gov
>>>>>> To: kenneth.chrane at verizon.net
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:40 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and Sequestration
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Mr. Chrane:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for contacting me about the fiscal cliff and the federal
>>>> deficit.
>>>>>> It's good to hear from you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Americans need to have a government on their side that is capable of
>>>>>> solving tough problems. That's why Congress must act now to avoid
>>>>>> the devastating impact of the fiscal cliff and across-the-board cuts
>>>> known as sequester.
>>>>>> Without swift action to avoid the fiscal cliff, millions of Americans
>>>>>> would see their taxes go up and face spending cuts that could bring
>>>>>> our nation back into recession. The longer we delay the more damage
>>>>>> we do to ourselves and the economy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My principles for avoiding the fiscal cliff are simple. We must have
>>>>>> a combination of spending cuts and new revenue to reduce our debt and
>>>>>> still grow the economy. We must also protect the social contract
>>>>>> between the American people and their government. Medicare and
>>>>>> Medicaid need to be reformed and refreshed not gutted or
>>>>>> block-granted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I believe there are ways to achieve the savings required to avoid the
>>>>>> fiscal cliff in a balanced and thoughtful way. We can start by
>>>>>> letting the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts expire for households making more
>>>>>> than
>>>> $250,000 per year.
>>>>>> This could save an estimated $700 billion over 10 years. We can also
>>>>>> make thoughtful and balanced cuts to spending - both military and
>>>>>> domestic - that will begin to reduce our deficit. That's why I
>>>>>> supported the Budget Control Act passed by Congress in 2011 that
>>>>>> would require $900 billion in cuts over
>>>>>> 10 years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What we can't do, however, is use across-the-board spending cuts to
>>>>>> get us to a balanced budget. It would unfairly harm middle-class
>>>>>> families and do nothing to raise the additional revenue needed to
>>>>>> reduce the deficit. In Maryland alone, this could result in the loss
>>>>>> of tens of thousands of jobs and $3.1 billion to our state economy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will continue to work with my colleagues in Congress to prevent the
>>>>>> fiscal cliff and make thoughtful and balanced changes to our spending
>>>>>> policy to reduce our national debt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks again for getting in touch with me. Knowing of your views is
>>>>>> very important to me. Please let me know if I can be of any
>>>>>> assistance to you in the future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> Barbara A. Mikulski
>>>>>> United States Senator
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please do not respond directly to this e-mail. The originating e-mail
>>>>>> account is not monitored.
>>>>>> If you would like to get in touch with me again, please visit the
>>>>>> comments page of my website here.
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>>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>>> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:26:49 -0800
>>>>>> From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> Sequestration
>>>>>> Message-ID: <FA5FCD01-4B82-498E-9B35-DFB84CD831E3 at panix.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rehab funding.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike Freeman
>>>>>> sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2012, at 19:17, "Humberto Avila"
>>>>>> <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And what does this have to do with the NFB? How are we impacted?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>> Kenneth Chrane
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 7:12 PM
>>>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List; NFB of Maryland e-mail list
>>>>>>> Cc: Blind_Democrats at yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>>>>>>> Sequestration
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Email
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: senator at mikulski.senate.gov
>>>>>>> To: kenneth.chrane at verizon.net
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:40 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and Sequestration
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Mr. Chrane:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you for contacting me about the fiscal cliff and the federal
>>>>>> deficit.
>>>>>>> It's good to hear from you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Americans need to have a government on their side that is capable of
>>>>>> solving
>>>>>>> tough problems. That's why Congress must act now to avoid the
>>>>>>> devastating impact of the fiscal cliff and across-the-board cuts
>>>>>>> known
>>>> as sequester.
>>>>>>> Without swift action to avoid the fiscal cliff, millions of
>>>>>>> Americans
>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> see their taxes go up and face spending cuts that could bring our
>>>>>>> nation back into recession. The longer we delay the more damage we
>>>>>>> do to
>>>>>> ourselves
>>>>>>> and the economy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My principles for avoiding the fiscal cliff are simple. We must
>>>>>>> have a combination of spending cuts and new revenue to reduce our
>>>>>>> debt and still grow the economy. We must also protect the social
>>>>>>> contract between the American people and their government. Medicare
>>>>>>> and Medicaid need to be reformed and refreshed not gutted or
>>>> block-granted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I believe there are ways to achieve the savings required to avoid
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>> fiscal
>>>>>>> cliff in a balanced and thoughtful way. We can start by letting the
>>>>>>> 2001 and 2003 tax cuts expire for households making more than
>>>>>>> $250,000 per
>>>>>> year.
>>>>>>> This could save an estimated $700 billion over 10 years. We can
>>>>>>> also make thoughtful and balanced cuts to spending - both military
>>>>>>> and domestic -
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> will begin to reduce our deficit. That's why I supported the Budget
>>>>>> Control
>>>>>>> Act passed by Congress in 2011 that would require $900 billion in
>>>>>>> cuts
>>>>>> over
>>>>>>> 10 years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What we can't do, however, is use across-the-board spending cuts to
>>>>>>> get us to a balanced budget. It would unfairly harm middle-class
>>>>>>> families and do nothing to raise the additional revenue needed to
>>>>>>> reduce the deficit. In Maryland alone, this could result in the
>>>>>>> loss of tens of thousands of jobs and $3.1 billion to our state
>>>>>>> economy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will continue to work with my colleagues in Congress to prevent
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>> fiscal
>>>>>>> cliff and make thoughtful and balanced changes to our spending
>>>>>>> policy to reduce our national debt.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks again for getting in touch with me. Knowing of your views is
>>>>>>> very important to me. Please let me know if I can be of any
>>>>>>> assistance to you
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the future.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> Barbara A. Mikulski
>>>>>>> United States Senator
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please do not respond directly to this e-mail. The originating
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