[nfb-talk] Alright, from another passionate liberal.RE: nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 62

[Gloria Whipple]

He did.

Gloria Whipple


-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ray Foret
Jr
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 07:32
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Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Alright, from another passionate liberal.RE:
nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 62

Don't you know the meaning of the word "STOP"?  I thought Dave explisitly
and specifically asked this thread to seace.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!

On Dec 28, 2012, at 9:27 AM, "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net> wrote:

> The best solution of course would to get both sides to cooperate and to
come up with something we could live with.  I think the issue is that most
folks on iether side are sighted and overlook us!  Banding together is
essential but so are the differences!  We have to deal with both sides and
convince each that we demand respect!
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todor Fassl" <fassl.tod at gmail.com>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 9:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Alright,from another passionate liberal.RE:
nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55,Issue 62
> 
> 
>> I like how everyone on this list takes their own off-topic shots and then
says lets stick to blindness related topics.
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett"
<bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 6:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Alright,from another passionate liberal.RE:
nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55,Issue 62
>> 
>> 
>>> Hey Mike,
>>> thanks for saying that the NY times can be considered propoganda too.
>>> Its just an opinion after all.
>>> So lets try and stick to blindness topics now. I suppose we have to
bring politics into it  some because SSI is a federally funded thing. But
hope we can cover the topic with facts backing positions up and
>>> not name calling political parties.
>>> Ashley
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 2:09 PM
>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Alright,from another passionate liberal.RE:
nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55,Issue 62
>>> 
>>> Amen!
>>> 
>>> Mike Freeman
>>> sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Dec 27, 2012, at 10:54, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Yes, I will and do in fact confirm this.  And, as Mike will doubtless
confirm, I am quite conservative.  Yet, the fact remains, that while we may
disagree about many points, we seem, (or so it seems to me) to agree with
respect to many blindness matters.  We also agree-I believe I may safely
say-that you appeaer not to be willing to do what both Mike and I are asking
you.  Forget it.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>>>> 
>>>> On Dec 27, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Truth is in the eye of the beholder. Since you refuse to grasp or seem
unwilling or incapable of admitting this and dropping the subject, you
should know that I've suggested to Dave Andrews that this list be moderated
for a week or two. In saying this, you should know that I'm quite liberal as
Ray will confirm.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mike Freeman
>>>>> sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 27, 2012, at 10:20, "Todor Fassl" <fassl.tod at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Well, you can label CBS and the New York Times as propoganda outlets
but that would be incorrect.  Just saying something doesn't make it true.
Again, Fox News is openly trying to persuade it's viewers to vote
conservative. That's why it's a propoganda outlet.  It's not my opinion that
Fox News is trying to persuade people to vote conservative, they say so
themselves all the time.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Is CBS and the New York Times openly trying to persuade people to
vote liberal? Well, not openly. At worst, you can claim that they are doing
so as the result of the human weakness of letting their biases influence
which facts they consider relevant. But they are not deliberately trying to
persuade people to vote for liberals.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Of course, the NYT probably endorsed Barack Obama for President. But,
at least theoretically, that isn't supposed to influence their reporting.
You can argue that as a practical matter it does. But that would be
debatable. It is not debatable that Fox News is trying to persuade people to
vote for conservatives and is, therefore, a propoganda outlet. That's just a
fact.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 12:01 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Alright,from another passionate liberal.RE:
nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55,Issue 62
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You're not getting it: there are those who consider CBS News and the
NY Times as propaganda organs also and all the more shameful for not
admitting it. Since we discuss our common connection, blindness, here and
are loath to pay for a debating society here, especially when such debates
do little more than generate controversy and division, it's better to keep
to blindness.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Mike Freeman
>>>>>>> sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Dec 27, 2012, at 9:41, "Todor Fassl" <fassl.tod at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Well, I mainly just want to nake the distinction between Fox News
and other news sources clear.  It's up to the reader to decide the
significance. It's not a matter of opinion that Fox News is trying to
persuade people to vote conservative. They say so themselves practically
every day. By definition, that makes them a propoganda outlet, not a news
source.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> There may be value in reading "The Daily Worker" from the Communist
Party. You may learn things you wouldn't have learned otherwise. Never the
less, it's propoganda. So is Fox News.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> You may learn something from listening to Fox News. And I can't
tell people not to listen to them. That's really none of my business. But
the fact is that Fox News is absolutely, positively, definately not the
conservative equivalent of CNN or NPR or CBS or the New York Times.
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