[nfb-talk] My reasons for reconsideration of joining the NFB, please read.

Tue Jul 17 01:33:51 UTC 2012

As a Gospel music promoter, it bothers me when people use text in E-mails.
I'm tired of BTW, LOL, etc.
That kind of stuff is unprofessional.
I even catch myself, sometimes.
Blessings, Joshua

On 7/16/12, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>
> Amen, bro! Perhaps people no longer have the attention spans to write
> decently.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:57 PM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] My reasons for reconsideration of joining the NFB,
> please read.
>
> For my part, I wish some people would properly punctuate their sentences.
> Using an Iphone or other touch device is no excuse.  I know of lists where,
> let one word be misspelled, let one single punctuation mark be out of
> place,
> and you get thrown off the list.
>
> Honestly, I think people are becoming sloppy with their writing not only
> because they're using short form  writing on a touch screen device; but,
> also, the art of truly good writing is vanishing.  It almost seems as if
> nobody knows how to write correctly anymore;  let alone write well.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
>
> On Jul 16, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>
>> I wish people would spell correctly and do not use short form in typing.
> it makes it sound gibberish to a screen reader without proper words
> written.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: don nepple
>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:14 AM
>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] My reasons for reconsideration of joining the
>> NFB,
> please read.
>>
>>
>> well mike good poast good too have you on bord now on too the radio i
>> have
> too think about i do not have the money too go to nfbn but haveing a
> radistatechen well oi do not know it might be oo cay but then we do have
> news line so has i think about this no.now on too the streem it did not
> work
> for me i think that becuse i did not have cookes that is maby i could
> lissen
> too it.but agan mike glaed too have you on bord get your duse padyed.o wher
> are you frum i am frum idaho.
>>
>>
>>> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 23:16:12 -0500
>>> From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>> To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] My reasons for reconsideration of joining the
> NFB, please read.
>>>
>>> I've noticed something!
>>> They have Dr Jernigan's and Dr Maurer's speeches, but why aren't
>>> there any old recordings of Dr Tenbroek, on the site to listen to?
>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 7/15/12, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>> > Go to the NFB web site, then to "Members" and you'll find links to
>>> > affiliates and divisions.
>>> >
>>> > Mike
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> > [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On Behalf Of qubit
>>> > Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 7:53 PM
>>> > To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] My reasons for reconsideration of joining
>>> > the > NFB, please read.
>>> >
>>> > I disagree -- acbradio is a good resource -- I mean, how many
>>> > thousand people listen to Main "Menu" to get the low down on the
>>> > latest adaptive technology? (Actually I haven't listened to Main
>>> > Menu in quite some time
>>> > --
>>> > is it still on the air?) I haven't listened to any of their other
>>> > programming, but I always thought acbradio was a good resource.
>>> > Now on another note, where do I go to find my local chapter
>>> > website? I haven't paid my dues...
>>> > --le
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>> > To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 4:59 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] My reasons for reconsideration of joining
>>> > the NFB,please read.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Ray has a good point. Further more, why would we want to have a
>>> > radio station, so we can be like the other guys? The NFB does not
>>> > need a radio station, as we are into getting things done. A radio
>>> > station for those > who do not choose to work, which I know is no
>>> > one here, to sit around and listen to. I think the NFB would rather
>>> > try to help put those people to work, making money and income.
>>> >
>>> > 2cents worth,
>>> > Marsha
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> > [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
>>> > Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 5:44 PM
>>> > To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] My reasons for reconsideration of joining
>>> > the NFB,please read.
>>> >
>>> > And, with what money would you fund this radio station and take
>>> > away > help from those blind people who need our help? With what
>>> > money would you > hire the staff, blind or sighted?
>>> >
>>> > Point is this. Just think how much money is being exausted by the
>>> > other folks with their fancy station. To what better use might that
>>> > money be put?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Sincerely,
>>> > The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>> >
>>> > Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>> >
>>> > Skype name:
>>> > barefootedray
>>> >
>>> > On Jul 15, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Why can't the NFB take "Through Our Eyes," and turn it into KNFB
> Radio?
>>> >> The NFB needs its own radio station!
>>> >> Thanks, Joshua
>>> >>
>>> >> On 7/15/12, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
>>> >>> Not to mention which, the ACB complained when we set up our NFB
>>> >>> Newsline service. Jallous maybe because we were the ones who did it.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I might point out that we stream our national conventions now;
>>> >>> and, the stream actually works.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Sincerely,
>>> >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Skype name:
>>> >>> barefootedray
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Jul 15, 2012, at 4:05 PM, Roger devin Prater wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Well, I've also thought about joining the NFB, because they
>>> >>>> actually provide services like the NFB newsline and things like
>>> >>>> that, and I don't really know of any that the ACB provides
>>> >>>> besides their ACB >>>> radio
>>> > thing.
>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester"
>>> >>>> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>> >>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 12:00 PM
>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] My reasons for reconsideration of
>>> >>>> joining the
>>> > NFB,
>>> >>>> please read.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Glad to hear this!
>>> >>>> Welcome to the NFB!
>>> >>>> Another convert here!
>>> >>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On 7/15/12, Michael Capelle <michael.capelle at charter.net> wrote:
>>> >>>>> Hello.
>>> >>>>> This is going to be a long post, and a lot of heads will turn,
>>> >>>>> I'm
>>> > sure.
>>> >>>>> For many years, a lot of people will know, that I was heavilly
>>> >>>>> involved in the American Council of the Blind, (ACB). Well,
>>> >>>>> this years
>>> > convention
>>> >>>>> definitely decided for me, read on, and you will find out why.
>>> >>>>> Now, before I continue, I want everyone to remember, that I'm
>>> >>>>> not trying to bash ACB, just speaking my opinion. First of all,
>>> >>>>> the biggest complaint I had, was I felt the
>>> >>>>> conference/convention was very disorganized. The roll call of
>>> >>>>> states, seemed very disorganized, and
>>> > honestly, the "fat"
>>> >>>>> jokes were getting very old. Then, on monday, the door prize
>>> >>>>> people
>>> > were
>>> >>>>> not even ready, to hand out door prizes. I just felt it was not
>>> >>>>> good as in previous years. Now, on to the biggest complaint. as
>>> >>>>> some of you know, we are in the process of passing a bill, for
>>> >>>>> the subminimum
>>> > wages.
>>> >>>>> Basically, making it illegal to pay blind persons less money
>>> >>>>> then their sighted colleagues. The following information,
>>> >>>>> below, is taken from the publication. The NFB, (national
>>> >>>>> Federation of the
>>> >>>>> Blind) definitely supports this, and so do I, again, see below.
>>> >>>>> Voice of the Nation's Blind
>>> >>>>> National Federation of the Blind Logo Marc Maurer, President
>>> >>>>> 200 East Wells Street
>>> >>>>> at Jernigan Place
>>> >>>>> Baltimore, MD 21230
>>> >>>>> Phone 410 659 9314 Fax 410 685 5653 www.nfb.org The Fair Wages
>>> >>>>> for Workers with Disabilities Act of 2011 H.R. 3086 Disabled
>>> >>>>> workers have been unfairly excluded from the federal minimum
>>> >>>>> wage for 74 years, and today over 300,000 disabled workers are
>>> >>>>> working for subminimum wages.
>>> >>>>> Section 14(c) of the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA)
>>> >>>>> discriminates against people with disabilities. This section
>>> >>>>> allows the Secretary of Labor to grant special wage
>>> >>>>> certificates to employers, permitting them to pay their workers
>>> >>>>> with disabilities less than the minimum wage,
>>> > often
>>> >>>>> in sheltered work environments. In some instances disabled
>>> >>>>> workers are being paid pennies per hour.
>>> >>>>> This discrimination is rooted in low expectations based on
>>> >>>>> misconceptions about the capabilities of disabled people. The
>>> >>>>> law falsely implies that people with disabilities cannot be
>>> >>>>> productive employees, and subminimum wage employers prey on
>>> >>>>> society's
>>> > misconception
>>> >>>>> that disabled people are incapable of being competitively
>>> >>>>> employed.
>>> >>>>> In reality, when provided the proper rehabilitation training
>>> >>>>> and tools, workers with disabilities can be productive and
>>> >>>>> financially
>>> > independent.
>>> >>>>> Subminimum wage supports an outdated business model that
>>> >>>>> fosters the underemployment of workers with disabilities.
>>> >>>>> Section 14(c) was only to be used "to the extent necessary to
>>> >>>>> prevent curtailment of opportunities" for employment of people
>>> >>>>> with disabilities. Instead, subminimum-wage sheltered workshops
>>> >>>>> have eroded into day custody centers, limiting opportunities
>>> >>>>> for workers with disabilities ever to transition into
>>> >>>>> integrated, competitive work. These institutions
>>> > instill
>>> >>>>> a philosophy of incapacity, which becomes a self-fulfilling
>>> >>>>> prophecy resulting in long-term underemployment.
>>> >>>>> The sheltered work system is a cash cow for the subminimum wage
>>> >>>>> employer. Many employers insist that paying the minimum wage to
>>> > disabled
>>> >>>>> employees would result in lack of profitability and a reduction
>>> >>>>> in
>>> > their
>>> >>>>> workforce, but most benefit from philanthropic donations,
>>> >>>>> preferred status when bidding on federal contracts, and federal
> funding.
>>> > Moreover,
>>> >>>>> while their disabled workers receive subminimum wages that are
>>> >>>>> subsidized by Social Security and public assistance, some
>>> >>>>> workshop executives are earning salaries far above industry
>>> >>>>> norms. The economics overwhelmingly favor subminimum wage
>>> >>>>> employers, encouraging the perpetuation of subminimum wage
>>> >>>>> employment and leaving workers with disabilities little to no
>>> >>>>> choice for real
>>> > employment.
>>> >>>>> The Fair Wages for Workers with Disabilities Act of 2011:
>>> >>>>> Discontinues the practice of issuing special wage certificates.
>>> >>>>> The secretary of labor will no longer issue special wage
>>> >>>>> certificates to
>>> > new
>>> >>>>> applicants.
>>> >>>>> Phases out all remaining special wage certificates over a
>>> >>>>> 3-year
>>> > period.
>>> >>>>> Entities currently holding special wage certificates will begin
>>> >>>>> compensating their workers with disabilities at no less than
>>> >>>>> the
>>> > federal
>>> >>>>> minimum wage, using the following schedule:
>>> >>>>> .
>>> >>>>> private for-profit entities' certificates will be revoked after
>>> >>>>> 1 year; .
>>> >>>>> public or governmental entities' certificates will be revoked
>>> >>>>> after
>>> >>>>> 2 years; and .
>>> >>>>> non-profit entities' certificates will be revoked after 3 years.
>>> >>>>> Repeals Section14(c) of the FLSA. Three years after the law is
>>> >>>>> enacted, the practice of paying disabled workers subminimum
>>> >>>>> wage will be officially abolished, and workers with
>>> >>>>> disabilities will no longer be excluded from the workforce
>>> >>>>> protection of a federal >>>>> minimum
>>> > wage.
>>> >>>>> STOP THE DISCRIMINATION
>>> >>>>> PROMOTE EQUAL WORK FOR EQUAL PAY Cosponsor the Fair Wages for
>>> >>>>> Workers with Disabilities Act H.R.
>>> >>>>> 3086 For more information contact:
>>> >>>>> Anil Lewis, Director of Strategic Communications National
>>> >>>>> Federation of the Blind
>>> >>>>> Phone: (410) 659-9314, Extension 2374 E-mail: alewis at nfb.org To
>>> >>>>> cosponsor the bill, contact:
>>> >>>>> James Thomas in Congressman Cliff Stearns's office
>>> >>>>> Phone: (202) 225-5744 E-mail: james.thomas at mail.house.gov
>>> >>>>> -OR-
>>> >>>>> Tim Powers in Congressman Tim Bishop's office
>>> >>>>> Phone: (202) 225-3826 E-mail: tim.powers at mail.house.gov Voice
>>> >>>>> of the Nation's Blind Now, when this was taken up at the ACB's
>>> >>>>> convention, there was a "do
>>> > not
>>> >>>>> pass" recommendation. It went through. This made me very upset,
>>> >>>>> and proves, that in my opinion, ACB does not care about the
>>> >>>>> future of the BLIND. Therefore, I've decided to give the NFB
>>> >>>>> another try, once I can afford to, I will pay my dues, to join
>>> >>>>> NFB.
>>> >>>>> Thanks for reading.
>>> >>>>> Mike.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
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