[nfb-talk] Fw: Contacting the ABC

Cindy Handel cindy425 at verizon.net
Tue Mar 6 01:24:06 UTC 2012

Ray, he either doesn't get that Australia isn't in the United States, or he 
actually thinks that anything Marc Maurer says will make a difference to 
someone there.  I'm sure that they have no idea who Marc Maurer is, and they 
probably don't care...why should they.


-----Original Message----- 
From: Ray Foret Jr
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 7:41 PM
To: NFB Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fw: Contacting the ABC

Oh come on; The Australian Broadcasting company?

The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

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On Mar 5, 2012, at 5:31 PM, Kenneth Chrane wrote:

> Hi Ray, may be some body will broadcast the information on the air.
> May be I will receive an answer from them.
> Ken Chrane
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
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> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 10:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fw: Contacting the ABC
>> The Australian Broadcasting company?  Did you not realize that this is 
>> whom you were contacting?  I know this because in the box which 
>> designates "Last name" they say, "sir name".  What carelessness.
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
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>> On Mar 5, 2012, at 2:18 AM, Kenneth Chrane wrote:
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Australian Broadcasting Corporation" 
>>> <anonymous at your.abc.net.au>
>>> To: <kenneth.chrane at verizon.net>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 10:00 PM
>>> Subject: Contacting the ABC
>>>> Dear Kenneth Chrane
>>>> This email provides a copy of your comments recently submitted to the 
>>>> ABC via the online email form located on this webpage :
>>>> http://abc.net.au/contact.
>>>> Yours sincerely,
>>>> ABC Audience & Consumer Affairs
>>>> **IMPORTANT NOTE: Please do not reply to this message.  You are welcome 
>>>> to submit any further comments you may have using the form available 
>>>> here - http://abc.net.au/contact **
>>>> __________________________________
>>>> First name: Kenneth
>>>> Surname: Chrane
>>>> Email: kenneth.chrane at verizon.net
>>>> Location: O/S
>>>> Response Required: true
>>>> Program: News On The Hour
>>>> Program Date: March 5, 2012
>>>> ABC Service\Network: ABC News 24
>>>> ABC Recipient: ABC News & Current Affairs
>>>> Subject: Letter From President Marc Maurer:
>>>> Your Comments:
>>>> February 23, 2012
>>>> Dear United States Representative:
>>>> I am writing to you in support of H.R. 3086, the Fair Wages for Workers 
>>>> with Disabilities Act of 2011.  If you are already one of the 
>>>> cosponsors of this bill, I thank you.  If you have not signed on as a 
>>>> cosponsor, I urge you to do so as quickly as you can.  I am also 
>>>> writing to you representing disabled Americans who are affected by 
>>>> subminimum wage payments who want this bill to pass.  Furthermore, I am 
>>>> writing to you to sound the alarm against those who say that they know 
>>>> better what to do for the disabled than disabled Americans themselves. 
>>>> They will tell you that disabled Americans cannot speak for themselves 
>>>> and that they have taken on "this burden."  They are trying to deny us 
>>>> our own voice in Congress and we ask you to listen to the people, not 
>>>> to the self-appointed so-called spokesmen of the people.
>>>> The National Federation of the Blind and the growing list of over forty 
>>>> other organizations of disabled Americans that support this legislation 
>>>> are well aware that those of you who are cosponsoring this legislation 
>>>> or considering doing so are receiving considerable pressure from 
>>>> representatives of sheltered workshops and others holding special wage 
>>>> certificates that allow them to pay less than the federal minimum wage. 
>>>> You are being told that the workers who receive subminimum wages in the 
>>>> sheltered workshop system have nowhere else to go, and that their lives 
>>>> would be destroyed by H.R. 3086.  Those of you from Missouri, in fact, 
>>>> may have received a piece of correspondence that asks, "Where will 
>>>> Sammy, Patti, and Becky go when you eliminate their jobs?"  This flyer 
>>>> also contains quotes from parents, siblings, and caregivers of 
>>>> sheltered workshop employees, wondering what H.R. 3086 will mean for 
>>>> their loved ones.
>>>> Whatever the motives of the people behind it, the correspondence is 
>>>> based on outdated ideas about the capacity of workers with disabilities 
>>>> and a misguided commitment to an antiquated model of service to such 
>>>> workers. Rather than participating in a constructive dialogue about 
>>>> what life will be like for workers with disabilities, once the 
>>>> subminimum wage exemption is phased out in three years as required by 
>>>> H.R. 3086, the workshops choose to circulate correspondence meant to 
>>>> pull on your heartstrings, to evoke your pity, and to promote low 
>>>> expectations.
>>>> United States Representative
>>>> February 23, 2012
>>>> Page two
>>>> The argument of the sheltered workshops is that some people, 
>>>> particularly those with severe developmental disabilities, are simply 
>>>> unfit for competitive employment.
>>>> This is simply wrong.  To continue this practice when proven employment 
>>>> strategies exist is inexcusable.
>>>> We are also told that these individuals must be given a choice.  We are 
>>>> all for freedom of choice, but true freedom of choice can only come 
>>>> with unbiased and accurate information.  Do Sammy, Patti, and Becky 
>>>> know that people like them are in fact working in competitive jobs?  Do 
>>>> they know that services like supported employment are already available 
>>>> to help them acquire and keep such jobs?  Do their parents, guardians, 
>>>> and loved ones know this?  My experience tells me that they do not. 
>>>> Rather, they have far more likely been told by sheltered workshop 
>>>> staff-who all too often share society's low expectations for disabled 
>>>> people and have an obvious conflict of interest-that Sammy, Patti, and 
>>>> Becky will never achieve competitive employment and that the sheltered 
>>>> workshop is the best they can hope for.  In short, what they have been 
>>>> told is neither accurate nor unbiased.
>>>> Despite the manipulative tone of the correspondence, however, it is 
>>>> fair enough to ask what will happen to Sammy, Patti, and Becky and 
>>>> others like them if this bill passes.  I believe that the answer to 
>>>> this question is limited only by the spirit, ambition, and imagination 
>>>> of disabled workers themselves, and by our willingness as a society to 
>>>> work hard to help them succeed in their goals.  I believe that disabled 
>>>> workers can do far better than receiving pennies per hour.  Under this 
>>>> bill, they will either earn real wages in the workshops that currently 
>>>> employ them, or they will receive the training and support that they 
>>>> need to obtain competitive employment somewhere else.  Imagine for a 
>>>> moment that all of the government and philanthropic resources that are 
>>>> currently supporting the sheltered workshop system were redirected to 
>>>> finding real employment opportunities for people with disabilities.  If 
>>>> they were, I suspect that solutions as yet undreamt of would emerge to 
>>>> help such
>>>> individuals succeed in competitive employment situations.
>>>> The sheltered workshop industry has existed for over seventy years. 
>>>> Many argue that it is an acceptable status quo, which must not be 
>>>> changed.  We reject this formulation.  Even if you believe that those 
>>>> of us advocating against subminimum wages do not have all the answers, 
>>>> this is no excuse for allowing the system to continue.  The current 
>>>> practice of paying subminimum wages is unfair, discriminatory, and 
>>>> immoral, and no amount of hand-wringing about what may follow it can 
>>>> change that. Please do not simply let inertia direct our course.  We 
>>>> are urging you and other willing partners, including any from the 
>>>> sheltered workshop industry, to work with us to find real solutions for 
>>>> people like Sammy, Patti, and Becky, rather than shrugging your
>>>> United States Representative
>>>> February 23, 2012
>>>> Page three
>>>> shoulders and saying that the exploitation must continue because we as 
>>>> a society will not expend the effort to come up with anything better.
>>>> There was a time in our nation's history when African-Americans were 
>>>> believed to have limited capacity and were fit only for slave labor on 
>>>> plantations.  There was a time when women were thought capable only of 
>>>> maintaining the family home, and thus were not even permitted to vote. 
>>>> Fortunately we realized as a nation that it was bigotry and low 
>>>> expectations that were defining the roles of African-Americans and 
>>>> women rather than their true capabilities.  We realized, albeit 
>>>> belatedly, that America would be a better nation if the true capacities 
>>>> of these citizens were unleashed.  Americans with disabilities are now 
>>>> calling upon our fellow citizens to realize that the soft bigotry of 
>>>> low expectations is condemning workers with disabilities to near-slave 
>>>> labor, and that the system that arises from these low expectations must 
>>>> be abolished.
>>>> H.R. 3086 allows for a grace period of three years before sheltered 
>>>> workshops and other nonprofit employers currently holding special wage 
>>>> certificates must begin to pay their workers at least the federal 
>>>> minimum wage.  This is plenty of time for sheltered workshops to study 
>>>> the business models of similar entities that are already paying their 
>>>> employees competitive wages and make adjustments to their own policies 
>>>> and practices.  Meanwhile, policy makers can redirect resources to 
>>>> enhance programs like supported employment, and create new solutions, 
>>>> to help workers with disabilities transition to real work for real 
>>>> wages.
>>>> As for freedom of choice: I am a person with a disability.  I have been 
>>>> blind all of my life.  I know the pain and despair that comes with low 
>>>> expectations and prejudice.  Fortunately, I was given the opportunity 
>>>> to make real choices about my life and career, and to experience the 
>>>> joy of the accomplishments that can only come through full and equal 
>>>> participation in society.  I want Sammy, Patti, and Becky to have the 
>>>> choices that I had.  If workers with disabilities truly want to stay in 
>>>> the sheltered workshop that currently employs them, or a facility like 
>>>> it, then no one will prohibit them from doing so.  However, if H.R. 
>>>> 3086 is enacted, wherever they choose to work, they will receive real 
>>>> wages that allow them to live fuller lives.  They will know the 
>>>> satisfaction of receiving the equal pay for equal work that they 
>>>> deserve, in addition to any satisfaction that they may receive from 
>>>> getting out of the house and being among their friends.  They will no 
>>>> longer be dependent upon
>> the
>>>> resources of their loved ones or on public assistance in order to buy 
>>>> the things they need.  They will have disposable income to spend in the 
>>>> community, thereby contributing to our society and its economy.  They 
>>>> will go from a subsistent existence to one in which they can enjoy 
>>>> taking in a movie with their friends, an occasional restaurant meal, 
>>>> and all of the other small pleasures of life that other American 
>>>> workers take for granted.  They will become free people with real 
>>>> choices, not virtual slaves with false ones.
>>>> United States Representative
>>>> February 23, 2012
>>>> Page four
>>>> On behalf of the National Federation of the Blind, the over forty other 
>>>> organizations that support this bill, and the millions of disabled 
>>>> people we represent, we urge you to join us in our effort to change the 
>>>> paradigm of low expectations and kindly meant but devastating 
>>>> exploitation that has too long dominated the lives of over three 
>>>> hundred thousand Americans with disabilities.  We ask you to express 
>>>> the courage to support H.R. 3086 and the creativity to seek solutions 
>>>> that allow Americans with disabilities to become productive citizens. 
>>>> I thank you for your attention to this urgent matter.
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Marc Maurer, President
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