[nfb-talk] nfb-talk Digest, Vol 46, Issue 35
PATRICK GORMLEY
kk3f at msn.com
Fri Mar 30 01:46:02 UTC 2012
Joshua I think Dr. Nemeth is already doing that on his own. There are a lot
of people working to make math accessible to blind people of all ages people
like Dr. Al Maneki and quite a number of others.
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> 1. Suggestion for this year's convention (Joshua Lester)
> 2. Re: Making Our Homes Comfortable and Accessible to BlindFolks
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> 3. Re: Suggestion for this year's convention (Chris Nusbaum)
> 4. Re: mistake made in jury duty pool; would like advice
> (Chris Nusbaum)
> 5. Re: mistake made in jury duty pool; would like advice
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 16:54:08 -0500
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nfb-talk] Suggestion for this year's convention
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> Who should I contact, in order to suggest that Dr Nemith be able to
> address the convention, this year?
> I'd especially like for him to talk to the children, and encourage
> them, because he may not be with us, much longer, due to his age.
> Thanks, Joshua
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 16:21:15 -0700
> From: <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Making Our Homes Comfortable and Accessible to
> BlindFolks
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> As usual I'm way behind with emails due to getting over computer issues
> but
> I had to respond as this was an interesting post. Having been born blind I
> was reminded repeatedly by my mother that you live in a sighted world and
> how you present yourself and where you live as a blind person impacts how
> the world views you. An example of this conditioning was to be told that
> people don't sit in dark rooms and it is customary to turn on a light
> whether I needed it or not. While I am not much for decorating I make sure
> that my apartment is comfortable for sighted people when they visit. I
> don't
> have a working TV though as I have never been very interested in it and if
> there is a news item or something I bring it up on the internet. An
> awkward
> situation that I have is a sighted friend that when he comes over doesn't
> seem to mind being in the dark and sometimes turns off lights. I find this
> a
> bit strange and don't feel comfortable with it.
> Chuck
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Portillo" <portillo.jim at gmail.com>
> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 2:43 AM
> Subject: [nfb-talk] Making Our Homes Comfortable and Accessible to
> BlindFolks
>
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>>
>>
>> Here's a question that I guess could also be somewhat philosophical in
>> that
>> it will make us think about how we deal with and interact with sighted
>> people.
>>
>>
>>
>> As blind folks, do you think we have a responsibility to not only make
>> our
>> homes comfortable and accessible for us and the folks with whom we live,
>> but
>> also to sighted folks?
>>
>> I've heard comments in the past that basically say that since it's a
>> blind
>> person's home, then the only thing that should be of concern is that
>> things
>> are comfortable and accessible for the blind person.
>>
>>
>>
>> I've been thinking a lot about this over a long period of time. I have
>> some
>> friends that come over, and one in particular who stays in my guest room
>> when he's in town, and when all of that happens, I'm the only blind
>> person
>> around. All of a sudden, I begin to think about lights and the amount of
>> light in a room. I begin thinking of making sure that appliances that
>> are
>> labeled in Braille are done using clear tape so that they can also use
>> them.
>> I even began thinking of the layout of my living room and how one of my
>> friends finally said that it was uncomfortable to do things like watch TV
>> or
>> watch movies, because of how my furniture and TV are placed. People have
>> to
>> face sideways to be able to watch TV. And, my TV is so old that it
>> doesn't
>> support or have HD capabilities.
>>
>>
>>
>> I began wondering about the importance of a blind person having an
>> aesthetically or visually appealing house, not only for himself but also
>> for
>> the sighted friends and family that come to visit. Are we being selfish
>> by
>> not considering these things, or should sighted company learn to live
>> with
>> how we have things and deal with them?
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm beginning to think that if I care about my friends and family, then I
>> should do something to make them feel comfortable in a place where they
>> spend quite a bit of time. But then, where does one draw the line?
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyway, hope you don't mind the question. Just curious what other blind
>> folks (especially those who are totally blind) think.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 20:25:06 -0400
> From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Suggestion for this year's convention
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> Contact Dr. Maurer directly by phone at 410-659-9314 or by email
> at officeofthepresident at nfb.org. If you call by phone, press 0
> for the operator and ask for Dr. Maurer; he doesn't have an
> extension. When I asked him at our last Greater Baltimore
> chapter meeting about getting in touch with him, he said he pays
> more attention to the phone than email, so the phone might be
> your best option.
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> Sent from my BrailleNote
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
> sent: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 16:54:08 -0500
> Subject: [nfb-talk] Suggestion for this year's convention
>
> Who should I contact, in order to suggest that Dr Nemith be able
> to
> address the convention, this year?
> I'd especially like for him to talk to the children, and
> encourage
> them, because he may not be with us, much longer, due to his age.
> Thanks, Joshua
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 20:25:04 -0400
> From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] mistake made in jury duty pool; would like
> advice
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> Ray,
>
> I recall you mentioning before on either this list or the Blind
> Talk list that you have an iPhone. Would there be an app out
> there for the iPhone which would solve this problem? I recall
> reading something about an OCR app for iOS; this would probably
> solve the problem. Also, if you don't have to read a document
> "on the spot" (in other words, you can take it home with you and
> read it,) you may be able to scan it using a program such as
> Kurzweil 1000 or OpenBook. Just some suggestions!
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> Sent from my BrailleNote
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
> sent: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 19:53:46 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] mistake made in jury duty pool; would
> like advice
>
> mailing is not at all an option. Remember, we're talking about
> documentation presented during the trial. No way they're going
> to take the chance of mailing that. You have to remember that in
> order to gain access to that stuff, you must be sworn to the
> trial.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
>
> Facebook:
> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>
>
>
> On Mar 27, 2012, at 7:22 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>
> Ray, here's the deal!
> If you could have the doccumentation E-mailed to you, you could
> read
> it in Braille, if you have a notetaker, with a Braille display,
> or you
> could Braille it out, with an embosser, if you have one.
> I'd prefer not to do the whole jury thing, based on the visual
> questions.
> I could do civil cases, but stuff like murder trials, where
> everything
> is visual, I wouldn't even do it!
> JMHO!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 3/27/12, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
> Frankly, I feel like shit. I really screwed up. I won't bore
> y'all with
> every detail of what happened; but, it boils down to this.
>
>
> The judge started asking question, and everything was going
> well. Then, he
> asked if we could all read and write the English language.
> Here's where I
> fucked up. YOu see, if your answer was yes, you kept your hand
> down; if
> no, you raised it. forgetting that for the moment, I raised my
> hand. The
> judge then confirmed that I was blind and had counsel approach.
> I was then
> dismissed. didn't even get a chance to explain how I could
> handle stuff.
> So, I tried to save the situation by having it officially
> entered in to the
> court records that I wished for my name to remain in the
> potential jury pool
> for next summons. My only recourse, now, as I see it, is to
> write the judge
> a letter explaining how I would deal with things like that as a
> blind
> person. When I said to the judge, "I want to make it clear that
> I do NOT
> want to have my name removed from the potential jury pool!", the
> judge said,
> "I will certainly not have your name removed. I wish more
> people had your
> attitude.".
> that's why a well written print or typed letter might, I
> feel, make an
> impression on the mind of the judge. e-mail will just simply
> not do; and, a
> phone call would be even worse. What I would like to know is
> this. Given
> the circumstances, such things as the KNFB reader are just not
> feasible
> because I don't have nor can afford one. Human readers seem
> doubtful
> because one would have to be sworn to the trial before dealing
> with
> documentation and other visual evidence. Would it be possible
> for other
> blind people who have successfully served on juries before give
> me advice on
> what I can do to convince the judge of our competence? I
> suspect that with
> the right approach, the judge might be willing to consider what
> I have to
> say. It seems that it always hangs on the visual question.
>
> So, there's my sucky day.
>
> Oh if only I had kept my damn hand down!!
>
>
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
>
> Facebook:
> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 20:05:22 -0500
> From: Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net>
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] mistake made in jury duty pool; would like
> advice
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> No to both. The Iphone 3GS has a camera which does not have high enough
> resolution for OCR apps. As for taking the docment home, absolutely no
> way at all. you must remember, there is too high a chance that unsworn
> individuals could potentially get access to that stuff.
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
>
> Facebook:
> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>
>
>
> On Mar 29, 2012, at 7:25 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote:
>
>> Ray,
>>
>> I recall you mentioning before on either this list or the Blind Talk list
>> that you have an iPhone. Would there be an app out there for the iPhone
>> which would solve this problem? I recall reading something about an OCR
>> app for iOS; this would probably solve the problem. Also, if you don't
>> have to read a document "on the spot" (in other words, you can take it
>> home with you and read it,) you may be able to scan it using a program
>> such as Kurzweil 1000 or OpenBook. Just some suggestions!
>>
>> Chris Nusbaum
>>
>> Sent from my BrailleNote
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net
>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>> sent: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 19:53:46 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] mistake made in jury duty pool; would like advice
>>
>> mailing is not at all an option. Remember, we're talking about
>> documentation presented during the trial. No way they're going to take
>> the chance of mailing that. You have to remember that in order to gain
>> access to that stuff, you must be sworn to the trial.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>>
>> Facebook:
>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 27, 2012, at 7:22 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>
>> Ray, here's the deal!
>> If you could have the doccumentation E-mailed to you, you could read
>> it in Braille, if you have a notetaker, with a Braille display, or you
>> could Braille it out, with an embosser, if you have one.
>> I'd prefer not to do the whole jury thing, based on the visual questions.
>> I could do civil cases, but stuff like murder trials, where everything
>> is visual, I wouldn't even do it!
>> JMHO!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 3/27/12, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
>> Frankly, I feel like shit. I really screwed up. I won't bore y'all with
>> every detail of what happened; but, it boils down to this.
>>
>>
>> The judge started asking question, and everything was going well. Then,
>> he
>> asked if we could all read and write the English language. Here's where
>> I
>> fucked up. YOu see, if your answer was yes, you kept your hand down; if
>> no, you raised it. forgetting that for the moment, I raised my hand.
>> The
>> judge then confirmed that I was blind and had counsel approach. I was
>> then
>> dismissed. didn't even get a chance to explain how I could handle stuff.
>> So, I tried to save the situation by having it officially entered in to
>> the
>> court records that I wished for my name to remain in the potential jury
>> pool
>> for next summons. My only recourse, now, as I see it, is to write the
>> judge
>> a letter explaining how I would deal with things like that as a blind
>> person. When I said to the judge, "I want to make it clear that I do NOT
>> want to have my name removed from the potential jury pool!", the judge
>> said,
>> "I will certainly not have your name removed. I wish more people had
>> your
>> attitude.".
>> that's why a well written print or typed letter might, I feel, make an
>> impression on the mind of the judge. e-mail will just simply not do;
>> and, a
>> phone call would be even worse. What I would like to know is this.
>> Given
>> the circumstances, such things as the KNFB reader are just not feasible
>> because I don't have nor can afford one. Human readers seem doubtful
>> because one would have to be sworn to the trial before dealing with
>> documentation and other visual evidence. Would it be possible for other
>> blind people who have successfully served on juries before give me advice
>> on
>> what I can do to convince the judge of our competence? I suspect that
>> with
>> the right approach, the judge might be willing to consider what I have to
>> say. It seems that it always hangs on the visual question.
>>
>> So, there's my sucky day.
>>
>> Oh if only I had kept my damn hand down!!
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>>
>> Facebook:
>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>>
>>
>>
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