[nfb-talk] language discussion

Ray Foret jr rforetjr at att.net
Tue Jul 23 02:03:12 UTC 2013


Not only that, but, like I said, you'd have to reach your hand way way up.  Now, I ask you, how's that going to look?


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Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
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On Jul 22, 2013, at 8:55 PM, "Michael Hingson" <Mike at michaelhingson.com> wrote:

> How are you going to find them?  How can you read them from any distance
> away so you know what to do before you get to the intersection and then have
> to locate the sign, possibly in a crowd of people?  While Braille is great,
> what we need is ALL the value of a street sign including distance detection
> which is better obtained through other means. 
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> 
> Michael Hingson
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna Givens
> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 06:36 PM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] language discussion
> 
> Why?
> 
> Anna E Givens
> 
> On Jul 22, 2013, at 8:20 PM, "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
> 
>> They're impractical.
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna 
>> Givens
>> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 5:14 PM
>> To: mike at michaelhingson.com; NFB Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] language discussion
>> 
>> I don't know much about it, but it is an interesting idea.  It might 
>> be nice to have signs that blind people can read.  Sighted people get 
>> them, why don't we?
>> 
>> Anna E Givens
>> 
>> On Jul 22, 2013, at 6:25 PM, "Michael Hingson" 
>> <Mike at michaelhingson.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Ah, but you'd be surprised how different wording is in different
>> countries.
>>> I have never heard Australians say "orientated", but I guess it is
>> possible.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Prows, Bennett (HHS/OCR)
>>> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 12:49 PM
>>> To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] FW: Interesting article on a new trial for 
>>> signs
>> in
>>> Australia
>>> 
>>> Pet Peeve, ... orientate is not a word.  One would be oriented, or 
>>> would
>> get
>>> oriented, orient him/herself to the surroundings, , but never orientated.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m 
>>> gina
>>> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 12:38 PM
>>> To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] FW: Interesting article on a new trial for 
>>> signs
>> in
>>> Australia
>>> 
>>> I have never seen a street sign, are they on the same pole as a light
>> pole?
>>> That would be most entertaining.
>>> 
>>> Original message:
>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> 
>>>> The following article was sent to me by a friend. Maybe the local 
>>>> county government is considering placing Braille signage for street
>> signs.
>>> 
>>>> I would like to know the federation thoughts on this topic.
>>> 
>>>> Yasmin Reyazuddin
>>>> Aging & Disability Services
>>>> Montgomery County Government
>>>> Department of Health & Human Services
>>>> 401 Hungerford Drive (3rd floor)
>>>> Rockville MD 20850
>>>> 240-777-0311 (MC311)
>>>> 240-777-1556 (personal)
>>>> 240-777-1495 (fax)
>>>> office hours 8:30 am 5:00 pm
>>>> Languages English, Hindi, Urdu, Braille
>>> 
>>>> This message may contain protected health information or other 
>>>> information that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the 
>>>> intended recipient, please contact the sender by return mail and 
>>>> destroy any copies of this material.
>>> 
>>>> Thank you.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> http://www.guidedogs.com.au/news-and-events/news/20-06-2013/sydneysi
>>>> de rs -with-impaired-vision-to-trial-new-braille-street-signs
>>> 
>>>> Top of Form
>>> 
>>>> Sydneysiders with impaired vision to trial new Braille street signs
>>> 
>>>> 20 June, 2013
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Walking around Sydney can be easy if you can see to read the street 
>>>> signs, but imagine how you'd go if you were blind or vision impaired?
>>> 
>>>> With the incidence of vision loss increasing, Guide Dogs NSW/ACT has 
>>>> welcomed a City of Sydney initiative to trial Braille and tactile 
>>>> street signs that provide people who are blind or vision impaired 
>>>> with information on where they are.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Today, Guide Dogs NSW/ACT clients who use guide dogs or long canes 
>>>> to help them get around will participate in the trial at Circular Quay.
>>>> It will involve them testing and providing feedback on the 
>>>> legibility of prototype street signs that provide location 
>>>> information in Braille and tactile raised lettering.
>>> 
>>>> Guide Dogs NSW/ACT clients and Community Education staff have played 
>>>> a key role in the City of Sydney's consultation process on the 
>>>> development of the new Braille and tactile street signs, which will 
>>>> replace existing signage that has worn-out from use since they were 
>>>> installed in the 1990s.
>>> 
>>>> "The trial will ensure that the best possible Braille and tactile 
>>>> street sign products and designs are used so that people who are 
>>>> blind or vision impaired can easily and independently access the 
>>>> City of
>>> Sydney,"
>>>> says Jennifer Moon, Community Education Coordinator for Guide Dogs 
>>>> NSW/ACT.
>>> 
>>>> "The Braille and tactile street signs are an important enhancement 
>>>> to the specialized work our Orientation and Mobility Instructors do. 
>>>> They provide training to people with impaired vision that enables 
>>>> them to move around their environments safely and on their own."
>>> 
>>>> After the trial, it is proposed that a new network of Braille and 
>>>> tactile street signs will be placed next to pedestrian crossing 
>>>> buttons on traffic light poles through the CBD. They aim to give 
>>>> pedestrians with vision loss the confidence that they will be able 
>>>> to
>>> 'orientate'
>>>> themselves throughout their journey and at their destination.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Guide dog handler Nicole Holmes (pictured above), who has been part 
>>>> of the consultation process, knows only too well how important it is 
>>>> to have the right Braille and tactile street signs in place.
>>> 
>>>> "The ability to identify my location or where I am in such a busy 
>>>> city like Sydney most importantly eases my stress while I'm trying 
>>>> to negotiate the environment," says Nicole, whose vision is impaired 
>>>> due to Retinopathy of Prematurity.
>>> 
>>>> "Braille and tactile signage is also useful in reassuring me that I 
>>>> am heading in the right direction to my destination so it 
>>>> complements the assistance that I get from my long cane or guide 
>>>> dog. I'm really pleased that the City of Sydney is trialing the 
>>>> Braille street signs because as vision impairment can differ between 
>>>> people, we need to make sure the end product will be useful for as 
>>>> many people with vision impairment as possible."
>>> 
>>>> Research predicts that the number of people in NSW and the ACT aged 
>>>> over
>>>> 40 with impaired vision is set to rise to 100,000 by 2020 .
>>> 
>>>> Each year, Guide Dogs NSW/ACT provides free services to almost 4,000 
>>>> people of all ages and with any degree of vision loss that might 
>>>> impact their ability to get around independently.
>>> 
>>>> For more information about Guide Dogs NSW/Act's free services visit 
>>>> www.guidedogs.com.au or call 1800 804 805.
>>>> ENDS
>>> 
>>>> MEDIA: Please contact: Sally Edgar, 0413 753 241 or 
>>>> media at guidedogs.com.au
>>> 
>>>> ABOUT GUIDE DOGS NSW/ACT
>>>> Guide Dogs NSW/ACT is the leading provider of guide dogs and 
>>>> orientation and mobility services to enable people with impaired 
>>>> vision to get around their communities independently. Services 
>>>> include providing training and aids including long canes, guide dogs 
>>>> and electronic travel devices such as talking GPS technology. . 
>>>> Visit www.guidedogs.com.au, call 1800 804 805, or follow us on 
>>>> Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/guidedogsnswact?ref=hl>  or 
>>>> Twitter <https://twitter.com/GuideDogsNSWACT> .
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