[nfb-talk] FW: Interesting article on a new trialforsignsin Australia
Mike Freeman
k7uij at panix.com
Mon Jul 29 14:59:30 UTC 2013
Who's gonna write said description ... and who's gonna pay for it? And how
many blind people do you *really* think would be helped?
Why not just ask a trusted friend to go with you to the mall and check it
out? Because maps are no panacea; businesses change too often for easy
updates!
C'mon folks: let's exercise a little Federation ingenuity and get the
information we need ourselves!
Mike Freeman
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From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Powers,
Terry (NIH/NCI) [E]
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 5:43 AM
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Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] FW: Interesting article on a new trialforsignsin
Australia
David;
Why couldn't a mall be required to have a descriptive of their mall on the
internet and a blind person could read it and emboss it, if they want, to
take along. This sure would cut a lot on cost. This way, at least, we
would have a verbal description of the mall and a listing of all the stores,
alphabetical and as they are located in the mall.
Many a time, I have to call a friend and ask, where is the hair cuttery,
since I do not go there very often, and forget which shopping center it is
in, near me.
This would solve a problem like this and I could be oriented to more stores
around me.
Terry Powers
-----Original Message-----
From: David Andrews [mailto:dandrews at visi.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 6:55 PM
To: mike at michaelhingson.com; NFB Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] FW: Interesting article on a new trialforsignsin
Australia
While this all sounds nice, it is unlikely to happen because of our small
numbers, and the expense and effort needed. We are much more likely to have
cell phone-based indoor navigation systems first, as there are a number of
efforts going on in this area.
Dave
At 02:03 PM 7/28/2013, you wrote:
>I think malls could provide proper Braille information through maps or
>handout booklets with maps and descriptions of store locations.
>
>
>Mike Hingson
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley
>Bramlett
>Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 08:40 AM
>To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] FW: Interesting article on a new
>trialforsignsin Australia
>
>I like the idea of a large print and tactile map with braille in the mall.
>However, remember braille takes up more room so it would be impossible
>to fit all braille labels on a map that was in print.
>But, they could certainly include the major stores; also backs of map
>brochures have lots of writing; I believe a list of stores by category
>and such information would be nice to have in braille so we could read
>it just as sighted people do. Such a map or braille list could be
>picked up at guest services if you wanted it.
>I think more tactile maps of hotels and malls would be more useful than
>braille street signs.
>
>Ashley
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Misty Dawn Bradley
>Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 12:46 AM
>To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] FW: Interesting article on a new
>trialforsignsin Australia
>
>It would be nice for the maps found at malls to have Braille, and that
>way one could feel the map and then find the store using the map like
>sighted people can do. Sometimes, in malls, it may be difficult to find
>a Braille sign on the side of a store due to displays sticking out,
>etc. but if the maps were in Braille, that may be useful.
>Misty
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ashley Bramlett
>Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 10:50 PM
>To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] FW: Interesting article on a new trial
>forsignsin Australia
>
>I agree. having them inside a mall or large place like this would be
>more helpful.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Powers, Terry (NIH/NCI) [E]
>Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 9:19 AM
>To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] FW: Interesting article on a new trial for
>signsin Australia
>
>I would rather see them try something, like this, on signage for the
>stores in a mall or shopping senter. This way, I can go to a mall and
>identify any store, on my own. They can do it with rest rooms, why not
each store!
>Verbal street signs, sure would be nicer, but most likely are out of
>our budget. Braille signs are going to be hard to find and which sign
>is for which street? Kids can and wind can, cause signs to turn
>direction. I am not sure if I could depend on braille signs, unless
>there was a way for them to stay stable.
>Hight is also another problem. I would like to see more effort made on
>labeling the address of buildings and room numbers and store names.
>
>Terry Powers
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: d m gina [mailto:dmgina at samobile.net]
>Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 4:05 PM
>To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] FW: Interesting article on a new trial for
>signs in Australia
>
>yes I am getting shorter and shorter, I'm sure they are way above my head.
>Now that cracks me up.
>
>Original message:
> > I have. As a rule, street signs tend to be mounted on poles and are
> > quite high up: more so than merely reaching a hand up would permit
> > feeling. That's another reason why Braille street signs ain't gonna
work.
>
>
> > Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the
> > blind built-in!
> > Sincerely,
> > The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> > Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>
> > On Jul 22, 2013, at 2:38 PM, d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net> wrote:
>
> >> I have never seen a street sign, are they on the same pole as a
> >> light pole?
> >> That would be most entertaining.
>
> >> Original message:
> >>> Hi Everyone,
>
> >>> The following article was sent to me by a friend. Maybe the local
> >>> county government is considering placing Braille signage for
> >>> street
>signs.
>
> >>> I would like to know the federation thoughts on this topic.
>
> >>> Yasmin Reyazuddin
> >>> Aging & Disability Services
> >>> Montgomery County Government
> >>> Department of Health & Human Services
> >>> 401 Hungerford Drive (3rd floor)
> >>> Rockville MD 20850
> >>> 240-777-0311 (MC311)
> >>> 240-777-1556 (personal)
> >>> 240-777-1495 (fax)
> >>> office hours 8:30 am 5:00 pm
> >>> Languages English, Hindi, Urdu, Braille
>
> >>> This message may contain protected health information or other
> >>> information that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the
> >>> intended recipient, please contact the sender by return mail and
> >>> destroy any copies of this material.
>
> >>> Thank you.
>
>
>
> >>> http://www.guidedogs.com.au/news-and-events/news/20-06-2013/sydney
> >>> si ders -with-impaired-vision-to-trial-new-braille-street-signs
>
> >>> Top of Form
>
> >>> Sydneysiders with impaired vision to trial new Braille street
> >>> signs
>
> >>> 20 June, 2013
>
>
>
> >>> Walking around Sydney can be easy if you can see to read the
> >>> street signs, but imagine how you'd go if you were blind or vision
impaired?
>
> >>> With the incidence of vision loss increasing, Guide Dogs NSW/ACT
> >>> has welcomed a City of Sydney initiative to trial Braille and
> >>> tactile street signs that provide people who are blind or vision
> >>> impaired with information on where they are.
>
>
>
> >>> Today, Guide Dogs NSW/ACT clients who use guide dogs or long canes
> >>> to help them get around will participate in the trial at Circular
> >>> Quay. It will involve them testing and providing feedback on the
> >>> legibility of prototype street signs that provide location
> >>> information in Braille and tactile raised lettering.
>
> >>> Guide Dogs NSW/ACT clients and Community Education staff have
> >>> played a key role in the City of Sydney's consultation process on
> >>> the development of the new Braille and tactile street signs, which
> >>> will replace existing signage that has worn-out from use since
> >>> they were installed in the 1990s.
>
> >>> "The trial will ensure that the best possible Braille and tactile
> >>> street sign products and designs are used so that people who are
> >>> blind or vision impaired can easily and independently access the
> >>> City of
>Sydney,"
> >>> says Jennifer Moon, Community Education Coordinator for Guide Dogs
> >>> NSW/ACT.
>
> >>> "The Braille and tactile street signs are an important enhancement
> >>> to the specialized work our Orientation and Mobility Instructors do.
> >>> They provide training to people with impaired vision that enables
> >>> them to move around their environments safely and on their own."
>
> >>> After the trial, it is proposed that a new network of Braille and
> >>> tactile street signs will be placed next to pedestrian crossing
> >>> buttons on traffic light poles through the CBD. They aim to give
> >>> pedestrians with vision loss the confidence that they will be able
> >>> to
>'orientate'
> >>> themselves throughout their journey and at their destination.
>
>
>
> >>> Guide dog handler Nicole Holmes (pictured above), who has been
> >>> part of the consultation process, knows only too well how
> >>> important it is to have the right Braille and tactile street signs in
place.
>
> >>> "The ability to identify my location or where I am in such a busy
> >>> city like Sydney most importantly eases my stress while I'm trying
> >>> to negotiate the environment," says Nicole, whose vision is
> >>> impaired due to Retinopathy of Prematurity.
>
> >>> "Braille and tactile signage is also useful in reassuring me that
> >>> I am heading in the right direction to my destination so it
> >>> complements the assistance that I get from my long cane or guide
> >>> dog. I'm really pleased that the City of Sydney is trialing the
> >>> Braille street signs because as vision impairment can differ
> >>> between people, we need to make sure the end product will be
> >>> useful for as many people with vision impairment as possible."
>
> >>> Research predicts that the number of people in NSW and the ACT
> >>> aged over
> >>> 40 with impaired vision is set to rise to 100,000 by 2020 .
>
> >>> Each year, Guide Dogs NSW/ACT provides free services to almost
> >>> 4,000 people of all ages and with any degree of vision loss that
> >>> might impact their ability to get around independently.
>
> >>> For more information about Guide Dogs NSW/Act's free services
> >>> visit www.guidedogs.com.au or call 1800 804 805.
> >>> ENDS
>
> >>> MEDIA: Please contact: Sally Edgar, 0413 753 241 or
> >>> media at guidedogs.com.au
>
> >>> ABOUT GUIDE DOGS NSW/ACT
> >>> Guide Dogs NSW/ACT is the leading provider of guide dogs and
> >>> orientation and mobility services to enable people with impaired
> >>> vision to get around their communities independently. Services
> >>> include providing training and aids including long canes, guide
> >>> dogs and electronic travel devices such as talking GPS technology. .
> >>> Visit www.guidedogs.com.au, call 1800 804 805, or follow us on
> >>> Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/guidedogsnswact?ref=hl> or
> >>> Twitter <https://twitter.com/GuideDogsNSWACT> .
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