[nfb-talk] Jimmy Kimmel Video--Blind Ref

Tue Jun 18 17:24:02 UTC 2013

Thank you, Ray.  And I certainly remember Good and Evil, that certainly 
crossed the line in a big way.

Mark Tardif
Nuclear arms will not hold you.
-----Original Message----- 
From: Ray Foret jr
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 12:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Jimmy Kimmel Video--Blind Ref

As am I Mark.  Frankly, (and mind you I'd love to hear from Mike and the 
other leadership on this one) I wonder if perhaps we aren't being a wee bit 
too sensitive about this.  Now, of course, it goes without saying that stuff 
like "Good and Evil" was not good and deserved what we gave it:  still and 
all, I feel that Mark has some very salient points to make.

Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!
Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!

On Jun 18, 2013, at 9:49 AM, "Sherri" <flmom2006 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm totally with you Mark.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark Tardif" <markspark at roadrunner.com>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 7:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Jimmy Kimmel Video--Blind Ref
>
>
> This could be a cool opportunity.  I think sometimes there is a delicate
> line between something that is really meant to be funny and something that
> can be taken as offensive.  I think one of the important points to 
> consider
> is that the reason many of us might be angry over something like this is
> that we think it plays upon stereotypes about blind people that we are
> trying to educate the sighted public about.  And I think, whether we like 
> it
> or not, a lot of people see entertainment as a kind of education.  In 
> other
> words, people who don't know better will take this kind of entertainment 
> and
> believe the stereotypes it portrays, which is a setback for us.  On the
> other hand, I have worked with perfectly intelligent people who did not 
> have
> these negative stereotypes about blind people, people who treated me very
> much as an equal, who expected me as a coworker to take responsibilities
> like everyone else on the team, and they wondered when Mr. Magoo presented
> problems for us, what the fuss was about.  And it occurred to me that 
> these
> particular individuals obviously knew better than to use this kind of
> strange entertainment to educate themselves about blind people, they just
> saw this as entertainment, not a means of education.  This causes me to
> wonder if maybe we don't give our sighted friends enough credit for having
> the intelligence to sort out the absurd from reality.  So, after all this, 
> I
> really don't know where I stand regarding this video.
>
> Mark Tardif
> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Ray Foret jr
> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 10:30 PM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Jimmy Kimmel Video--Blind Ref
>
> Absurd it may well be:  nevertheless, I maintain that it's an oportunity 
> to
> discuss a serious point.  Let me phrase the question about as bluntly as I
> can.  Do we really believe we are normal or do we not.  IF so, why can we
> not maintain a balance between something which is not funny and deserves 
> our
> attack and something truly funny and laugh at it?  To speak candidly, I 
> sort
> of suspect at times that we have a problem with that.  But, what say the
> group members here?  Oh, one vitally important thing.  Please, no personal
> attacks on this.  I'm not out to attack anyone or to respond to personal
> attacks.  I'd like us to really explore this because I kind of suspect 
> that
> maybe we should.  IF this dies, it dies;  still, what say y'all?
>
>
> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
> built-in!
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>
> On Jun 17, 2013, at 9:22 PM, "Brian Miller" <brianrmiller88 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> This piece is intended as a farce; it's making fun of all those
>> uber-inspirational  movies.  It's meant to be more absurd than anything
>> else.
>>
>> Apparently all his calls are spot on, which I suppose is meant to be even
>> funnier.
>>
>> The end of the piece is interesting in that someone shouts at him asking
>> if
>> he's blind, and he turns around and takes off his glasses in a super
>> smooth
>> way and says "As a matter of fact, I am."  His eyes are clear and bright,
>> not discolored in some fake blind way.
>>
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of Steven Johnson
>>> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 7:11 PM
>>> To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Jimmy Kimmel Video--Blind Ref
>>>
>>> Actually, the intent was similar to the NFL fill-in refs
>>> where they were essentially making horrible calls at a recent
>>> NBA playoff game.  Lot's of people jumped on board, and
>>> dressed as blind refs for Halloween.  Sometimes, I think that
>>> the blind community might be a little super-sensative
>>> regarding non-malicious attempts to make people laugh as
>>> here, the target was not the blind, but the refs.  For the
>>> NFB to respond would really make the NFB appear to be just
>>> exactly what I eluded to...super-sensative.  I am not
>>> condoning it, but when you are dealing with comedians,
>>> anyone, any culture is and can be the intended, or in this
>>> case, the untended perceived target.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just my opinion, Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of Ray Foret jr
>>> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 12:01 PM
>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Jimmy Kimmel Video--Blind Ref
>>>
>>> Even without being able to see the video, I can guess that it
>>> is most likely supposed to bill itself as a heart warming
>>> story but is anything but.  Past rediculous.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility
>>> for the blind built-in!
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>>>
>>> On Jun 17, 2013, at 8:42 AM, "Sherri" <flmom2006 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Has anyone seen the Jimmy Kimmel Video about the blind
>>> basketball ref?
>>>> It's supposed to be a spoof movie trailer for Will Smith. I
>>> don't know
>>>> all the things in it, but I did listen to it and it could
>>> be seen as
>>>> quite degrading to blind people. Has NFB launched any kind of a
>>>> protest about this. Here's the link.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2knpkdjMAsE
>>>> Sherri Brun
>>>> flmom2006 at gmail.com
>>>> Character is the side of yourself you choose to show the world.
>>>> Integrity is what you do, what you say and how you act when
>>> you think
>>>> no one is paying attention.
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