[nfb-talk] APPLICATION FOR LOAN

Thu Mar 7 22:49:44 UTC 2013

I agree with you on that one!
Kendra
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From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
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Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] APPLICATION FOR LOAN


> Hello Eddie and everyone,
>
>    Perhaps the sequester will put this to the test. If rehab agencies 
> won't
> have the kind of money they had to purchase access technology if the
> technology vendors want to survive they'll need to lower the prices of 
> their
> products or come up with new ways to allow individuals to buy them 
> directly
> instead of having a rehab agency purchase it for them. These technology
> vendors will need to adapt or they'll find themselves out of business.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Eddie Salcido" <rednexican at socal.rr.com>
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> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 11:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] APPLICATION FOR LOAN
>
>
> I wouldn't say narrow market share is an excuse but as you said, it is 
> part,
> not all of the explanation.  Rehab agencies are mandated to spend a 
> certain
> amount of money and the adaptive tech vendors know this.  So naturally, 
> they
> will keep prices artificially high.  This mandate upon rehab agencies 
> causes
> market distortions that wouldn't otherwise be in place.
> Eddie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mark 
> Tardif
> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 6:47 PM
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> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] APPLICATION FOR LOAN
>
> Loren,
>
> I thought about the fact that these companies expect rehab agencies to 
> take
> care of the price, but I thought saying that might sound too cynical, so I
> didn't point that out.  However, I think there is a lot of truth to that.
>
> Mark Tardif
> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Loren Wakefield
> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:24 PM
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> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] APPLICATION FOR LOAN
>
> Narrow market is partly true and partly an excuse to charge prices way 
> past
> the point of sanity.  These companies also know that rehab funds pay for
> most of their products.  I have to wonder how many more of us would buy 
> our
> own if the prices were lower and we could afford to buy them?
>
> Loren
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Eddie
> Salcido
> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 4:51 PM
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> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] APPLICATION FOR LOAN
>
> They will not come down because of narrow market share.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley
> Bramlett
> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:36 AM
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> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] APPLICATION FOR LOAN
>
> Hey,
> you already got your snow up north; my baby nephew played in the snow in 
> MA.
> Now its our turn here in DC. But I'll throw you a cyber snowball! <smile>
>
> I'm staying in side and warm unless our power goes out, then no heat. 
> Also,
> I'm fortunate my old braillenote still works after it was repaired. I 
> agree
> with Kendra, prices need to come down; I cannot afford a new one and vr
> won't pay for one unless I have a job offer and in this era of job 
> cutbacks,
> its very hard to find openings.
>
> Anyway, I'll use my braille note to read, take notes and more while 
> enjoying
> the snowfall and then go out and play in it maybe.
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Tardif
> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:31 AM
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> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] APPLICATION FOR LOAN
>
> I'm living in northern Maine.  The sun's starting to break through up 
> here,
> typical March day, a little cold, windy, but wonderful.  But you people in
> the D.C. area are stealing all our snow, LOL.  Seriously, we are only
> supposed to get a little wind from this big storm you guys are getting, no
> snow.  It's about time the sun came out though, it's been hiding for a
> while.
>
> Mark Tardif
> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ashley Bramlett
> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 1:03 AM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] APPLICATION FOR LOAN
>
> Brian,
> Good points raised. I don't know why nfb discontinued its loan program or
> when it did so.
> Someone brought up the fact that jobs were cut due to the budget issues.
> All nonprofits are cutting back which is not goog for any job seekers.
>
> I thought that the loan program was beneficial. Companies charge
> rediculously high prices for products which most blind people cannot 
> afford.
> They don't even offer a payment plan. I also don't like that jaws costs 
> the
> same price all these years without working with more mainstream products.
> such as Visual studio.
> On a lighter note, for anyone living in the DC area, enjoy the snow and 
> day
> off from work or school.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bryan Schulz
> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 9:49 PM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] APPLICATION FOR LOAN
>
> hi,
>
> agreed, a common example is jaws that has been the same price for ages and
> is basically the same product every time a new version is released still
> with zero focus on visual studio.
> Bryan Schulz
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 7:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] APPLICATION FOR LOAN
>
>
>> Bryan,
>>
>> If you are as familiar with all this as you indicate, you already know
>> that the goal of our car and the Google car are different.  The Google
>> care drives itself.
>> The goal of our project was to develop interfaces that allow a blind
>> person to actually drive a car.  In addition, the interfaces developed
>> have some possibility of impacting other areas of our lives in terms
>> of potential travel aids and other areas where tactile feedback might
>> be useful.
>> Frankly, I've always
>> been a little uneasy with us having a loan program.  Why can't some of
>> the
>
>> companies who are profiting from their products do more to help
>> persons buy their technology.  If we do it, there is no reason for
>> them to do it.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve Jacobson
>>
>> On Tue, 5 Mar 2013 17:47:56 -0600, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>
>>>hi,
>>
>>>you are correct sir and i'm not saying it was a mistake, just an
>>>insane expense and ego probably was a factor in not wanting to share
>>>technology and press with google.
>>>i think the google car has a couple hundred thousand test miles from
>>>running in nevada or california.
>>>Bryan Schulz
>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 5:31 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] APPLICATION FOR LOAN
>>
>>
>>>> Think he refers to the blind-drivable car.
>>>>
>>>> Mike Freeman
>>>> sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 5, 2013, at 14:48, Paul Wick <wickps at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Brian,
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the $2 million you are referring to?
>>>>>
>>>>> To add to what Mr. Freeman said: As you probably know several NFB
>>>>> employees, many of whom have devoted a good part of their lives to
>>>>> the Federation lost their jobs last year due to budget reductions.
>>>>> Running any kind of organization requires setting priorities, and
>>>>> at least to this rank-and-file member I think our priorities should
>>>>> be basically as they areG?"that is on activities that keep the NFB
>>>>> message in the public eye.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/5/13, Bryan Schulz <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>> hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it was a choice, we know where 2 mil went.
>>>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 3:02 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] APPLICATION FOR LOAN
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is pretty simple, really. The NFB Board of Directors decided
>>>>>>> that, given the current financial crunch, we could not afford to
>>>>>>> continue the loan program. If we all raise more funds for the
>>>>>>> organization, perhaps we
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> could bring the program back.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike Freeman
>>>>>>> sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 5, 2013, at 10:39, "Powers, Terry (NIH/NCI) [E]"
>>>>>>> <Terry.Powers at nih.gov> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What was the reason for stopping the loan.  I do not remember
>>>>>>>> hearing any
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> word of this.  Guess I can not depend on the NFB for any 
>>>>>>>> assistance.
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> was going to, in the near future, maybe.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Terry Powers
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Mike Freeman [mailto:k7uij at panix.com]
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 7:39 PM
>>>>>>>> To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] APPLICATION FOR LOAN
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Correct.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>> David Andrews
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 3:27 PM
>>>>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] APPLICATION FOR LOAN
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If I remember correctly, the technology loan program was
>>>>>>>> discontinued.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At 09:50 AM 2/27/2013, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Good morning all.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can anyone tell me who i can contact in order to get an
>>>>>>>>> application for a loan through the NFB?  I am going to need to
>>>>>>>>> make sure I have an alternate route for acquiring what I will
>>>>>>>>> need in order to get through the braille transcription course
>>>>>>>>> without a lot of static.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I want to purchase a 40-cell braille display because it is hard
>>>>>>>>> to proofread with an 18-cell display.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> anita
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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