[nfb-talk] APPLICATION FOR LOAN

Chris Nusbaum dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
Thu Mar 7 23:48:29 UTC 2013


Eddie,

That is correct. There is also an affordable option from Serotek (System
Access) as well as a free screen reader called NVDA.

Chris Nusbaum, Co-Chair
Public Relations Committee
Maryland Association of Blind Students
Phone: (443) 547-2409


-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Eddie
Salcido
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 1:01 PM
To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] APPLICATION FOR LOAN

Bryan,
As David pointed out in his last Email, there are now other options
available.  FS is not the only game in town anymore.  Window Eyes has a
monthly plan, and as stated previously, I devices are coming into their own
in terms of accessibility for the blind.  They are miniature computers and
obviously function as multi media units.  Things are getting better.
Eddie

-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan
Schulz
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 5:45 AM
To: NFB Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] APPLICATION FOR LOAN

hi,

are you saying you enjoy continually paying to use a product you have
already purchased?
FS loves you.
Bryan Schulz

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 5:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] APPLICATION FOR LOAN


> It is easy for you guys to criticize assistive technology companies.  Yes,

> much of the stuff is expensive, more than any of us would like.  However, 
> most, or all of you haven't been on the other side of the business and 
> have no real idea as to the expenses of developing, marketing, and 
> supporting assistive technology. It is expensive, blind people are very 
> expensive to market too because there are so few of us and we are all 
> over.  There isn't one easy way to get to most of us.
>
> Finally, there are a variety of different models out there in some areas. 
> There is a decent free screen reader, and some stuff can be paid for by 
> the month. Some of this bitching is just a reflex action I think.
>
> Dave
>
> At 08:47 PM 3/6/2013, you wrote:
>>Loren,
>>
>>I thought about the fact that these companies expect rehab agencies to 
>>take care of the price, but I thought saying that might sound too cynical,

>>so I didn't point that out.  However, I think there is a lot of truth to 
>>that.
>>
>>Mark Tardif
>>Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>>-----Original Message----- From: Loren Wakefield
>>Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:24 PM
>>To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] APPLICATION FOR LOAN
>>
>>Narrow market is partly true and partly an excuse to charge prices way 
>>past
>>the point of sanity.  These companies also know that rehab funds pay for
>>most of their products.  I have to wonder how many more of us would buy 
>>our
>>own if the prices were lower and we could afford to buy them?
>>
>>Loren
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Eddie
>>Salcido
>>Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 4:51 PM
>>To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] APPLICATION FOR LOAN
>>
>>They will not come down because of narrow market share.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley
>>Bramlett
>>Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:36 AM
>>To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] APPLICATION FOR LOAN
>>
>>Hey,
>>you already got your snow up north; my baby nephew played in the snow in 
>>MA.
>>Now its our turn here in DC. But I'll throw you a cyber snowball! <smile>
>>
>>I'm staying in side and warm unless our power goes out, then no heat. 
>>Also,
>>I'm fortunate my old braillenote still works after it was repaired. I 
>>agree
>>with Kendra, prices need to come down; I cannot afford a new one and vr
>>won't pay for one unless I have a job offer and in this era of job 
>>cutbacks,
>>its very hard to find openings.
>>
>>Anyway, I'll use my braille note to read, take notes and more while 
>>enjoying
>>the snowfall and then go out and play in it maybe.
>>Ashley
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Mark Tardif
>>Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:31 AM
>>To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] APPLICATION FOR LOAN
>>
>>I'm living in northern Maine.  The sun's starting to break through up 
>>here,
>>typical March day, a little cold, windy, but wonderful.  But you people in
>>the D.C. area are stealing all our snow, LOL.  Seriously, we are only
>>supposed to get a little wind from this big storm you guys are getting, no
>>snow.  It's about time the sun came out though, it's been hiding for a
>>while.
>>
>>Mark Tardif
>>Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Ashley Bramlett
>>Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 1:03 AM
>>To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] APPLICATION FOR LOAN
>>
>>Brian,
>>Good points raised. I don't know why nfb discontinued its loan program or
>>when it did so.
>>Someone brought up the fact that jobs were cut due to the budget issues.
>>All nonprofits are cutting back which is not goog for any job seekers.
>>
>>I thought that the loan program was beneficial. Companies charge
>>rediculously high prices for products which most blind people cannot 
>>afford.
>>They don't even offer a payment plan. I also don't like that jaws costs 
>>the
>>same price all these years without working with more mainstream products.
>>such as Visual studio.
>>On a lighter note, for anyone living in the DC area, enjoy the snow and 
>>day
>>off from work or school.
>>
>>Ashley
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Bryan Schulz
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 9:49 PM
>>To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] APPLICATION FOR LOAN
>>
>>hi,
>>
>>agreed, a common example is jaws that has been the same price for ages and
>>is basically the same product every time a new version is released still
>>with zero focus on visual studio.
>>Bryan Schulz
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 7:40 PM
>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] APPLICATION FOR LOAN
>>
>>
>>>Bryan,
>>>
>>>If you are as familiar with all this as you indicate, you already know
>>>that the goal of our car and the Google car are different.  The Google
>>>care drives itself.
>>>The goal of our project was to develop interfaces that allow a blind
>>>person to actually drive a car.  In addition, the interfaces developed
>>>have some possibility of impacting other areas of our lives in terms
>>>of potential travel aids and other areas where tactile feedback might
>>>be useful.
>>>Frankly, I've always
>>>been a little uneasy with us having a loan program.  Why can't some of
>>>the
>>
>>>companies who are profiting from their products do more to help
>>>persons buy their technology.  If we do it, there is no reason for
>>>them to do it.
>>>
>>>Best regards,
>>>
>>>Steve Jacobson
>>>
>>>On Tue, 5 Mar 2013 17:47:56 -0600, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>>
>>>>hi,
>>>
>>>>you are correct sir and i'm not saying it was a mistake, just an
>>>>insane expense and ego probably was a factor in not wanting to share
>>>>technology and press with google.
>>>>i think the google car has a couple hundred thousand test miles from
>>>>running in nevada or california.
>>>>Bryan Schulz
>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 5:31 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] APPLICATION FOR LOAN
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Think he refers to the blind-drivable car.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mike Freeman
>>>>>sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>On Mar 5, 2013, at 14:48, Paul Wick <wickps at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Brian,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What is the $2 million you are referring to?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>To add to what Mr. Freeman said: As you probably know several NFB
>>>>>>employees, many of whom have devoted a good part of their lives to
>>>>>>the Federation lost their jobs last year due to budget reductions.
>>>>>>Running any kind of organization requires setting priorities, and
>>>>>>at least to this rank-and-file member I think our priorities should
>>>>>>be basically as they areG?"that is on activities that keep the NFB
>>>>>>message in the public eye.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Paul
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On 3/5/13, Bryan Schulz <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>it was a choice, we know where 2 mil went.
>>>>>>>Bryan Schulz
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>>>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 3:02 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] APPLICATION FOR LOAN
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It is pretty simple, really. The NFB Board of Directors decided
>>>>>>>>that, given the current financial crunch, we could not afford to
>>>>>>>>continue the loan program. If we all raise more funds for the
>>>>>>>>organization, perhaps we
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>could bring the program back.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Mike Freeman
>>>>>>>>sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Mar 5, 2013, at 10:39, "Powers, Terry (NIH/NCI) [E]"
>>>>>>>><Terry.Powers at nih.gov> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>What was the reason for stopping the loan.  I do not remember
>>>>>>>>>hearing any
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>word of this.  Guess I can not depend on the NFB for any 
>>>>>>>>>assistance.
>>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>was going to, in the near future, maybe.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Terry Powers
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>From: Mike Freeman [mailto:k7uij at panix.com]
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 7:39 PM
>>>>>>>>>To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] APPLICATION FOR LOAN
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Correct.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Mike
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>>>David Andrews
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 3:27 PM
>>>>>>>>>To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] APPLICATION FOR LOAN
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>If I remember correctly, the technology loan program was
>>>>>>>>>discontinued.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Dave
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>At 09:50 AM 2/27/2013, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>Good morning all.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Can anyone tell me who i can contact in order to get an
>>>>>>>>>>application for a loan through the NFB?  I am going to need to
>>>>>>>>>>make sure I have an alternate route for acquiring what I will
>>>>>>>>>>need in order to get through the braille transcription course
>>>>>>>>>>without a lot of static.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I want to purchase a 40-cell braille display because it is hard
>>>>>>>>>>to proofread with an 18-cell display.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Thank you.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>anita
>
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