[nfb-talk] Guide Bots

Fri May 31 19:16:18 UTC 2013

That's the term I use for the stupid ones that no matter how many times you correct them, they just don't get it!
Good grief!
There is a difference between ignorant, and stupid.
The ignorant ones actually want to know, but the stupid ones just don't care.
Blessings, Joshua
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From: nfb-talk [nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sheila Leigland [sleigland at bresnan.net]
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 2:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots

hi I agree completely on this one. Part of showing respect is not using
terms that can e insulting to others.
On 5/31/2013 12:18 PM, Eddie Salcido wrote:
> I know this message is late, but I'd like to address something that Joshua
> said.  He called sighted people sighties.  How is that different from people
> calling us blinks or blindies?  How can we expect to have a mature dialogue
> with people when we use such terms?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua
> Lester
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:02 PM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots
>
> Brian!
> It's not that I have all kinds of problems, but it's that the ignorance is
> getting old!
> We need to do more as blind individuals to educate the sighties about us, so
> we don't have to deal with the ignorance for much longer.
> Blessings, Joshua
> ________________________________________
> From: nfb-talk [nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Bryan Schulz
> [b.schulz at sbcglobal.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 2:58 PM
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> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots
>
> hi,
>
> if that gets you torqed, you've got more problems than that!
> Bryan Schulz
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <JLester8462 at pccua.edu>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 2:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots
>
>
>> Hi, Mrs. Gloria!
>> I get so tired of ignorant ideots calling my cane a "stick!"
>> Blessings, Joshua
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>> From: nfb-talk [nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Gloria Whipple
>> [glowhi at centurylink.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 2:35 PM
>> To: 'Misty Dawn Bradley'; 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots
>>
>> Hi Misty,
>>
>> I agree with you on the GPS.
>>
>> I have had people tell me to leave my stick if I am going sighted guide
>> with
>> them. I tell them that my so called stick is part of me. I don't leave
>> home
>> without it.
>>
>> Gloria Whipple
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Misty
>> Dawn
>> Bradley
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:42
>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots
>>
>> I am the same way. I have been using my cane since I was in kindergarten
>> or
>> first grade, which is about 20 years ago, so I don't feel right when I
>> don't
>>
>> have my cane with me. I also like the challenge of figuring out things on
>> my
>>
>> own, although it is nice to have a GPS sometimes, but it is not a
>> necessity.
>> Misty
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gloria Whipple" <glowhi at centurylink.net>
>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots
>>
>>
>>> I am not sure about this. I am so use to using my cane and like it.
>>>
>>> Gloria Whipple
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve
>>> Jacobson
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:28
>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots
>>>
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> To me, the idea of a device that is responsible for guiding, even if made
>>> simpler as described here, adds so much complexity and
>>> size that really has limited advantage to my way of thinking.  A small
>>> device that could be mounted on a cane or connected to a
>>> dog's leash to detect objects and provide feedback would provide most of
>>> what a guiding device would without the size and other
>>> complicating issues.  Why does it have to aim itself at all if the blind
>>> person were to receive enough information to do the
>>> aiming from a smaller travel aid?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 28 May 2013 11:24:59 -0400, Michael Bullis wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've been thinking about a new travel device lately and would be
>>>> interested
>>>> in any feedback members might have.
>>>> I've been wondering lately if there is enough reasonably priced portable
>>>> processing power available to make a guide bot.
>>> >From looking on the web there are a few projects, mostly not very
>>>> efficient
>>>> ones.  There is a company called nst that is working on it but expects to
>>>> bring a product to market in the 2020's.  The reason most projects are so
>>>> difficult is that they are spending inordinate amounts of time and money
>>>> teaching the guide bots to climb stairs and fully "lead" the blind
>>>> person.
>>>> We know this is unnecessary.
>>>> If you remove the necessity to "lead" the blind person the project
>>>> becomes
>>>> much simpler.
>>>> The device doesn't need to climb stairs.  The blind person can simply
>>>> lift
>>>> it up or down.  This assumes of course that it is a lightweight  device.
>>>> For example, suppose you have a two wheeled device with two forward
>>>> facing
>>>> cameras  and a handle on it that you direct.  You push the device down
>>>> the
>>>> sidewalk let's say.  When it detects an object that you should go around,
>>> to
>>>> the left, the left wheel has a brake on it.  When the left brake engages
>>> and
>>>> slows the left wheel, the device naturally turns that direction.  The
>>>> same
>>>> thing happens if you want to go right.  If there's a curb coming, both
>>>> wheels slowly engage their brakes.
>>>> At any time, if you as the person in charge wish to override the braking,
>>>> you simply give a quick shove to the device.
>>>> The blind person provides the forward motion, eliminating any need for
>>>> motive power.  The only thing the device needs power for is processing
>>>> and
>>>> braking.
>>>> Whether verbally, or with a small keypad, you tell the device what you
>>>> want
>>>> it to do.  If the device is going to talk to you at all it needs to be
>>>> through an open-ear earbud.  But this may be unnecessary.
>>>> I believe it would require two cameras for measuring distance and for
>>>> scanning both in front and to the sides.
>>>> In order for the device to be practical it would have to solve problems
>>> that
>>>> the cane and most dogs don't solve.  That is, it would have to detect
>>>> objects at head height.  And, it would have to be fast.  The thing that
>>>> limits a cane user in new territory is the necessity of slowing down
>>>> while
>>>> detecting an object and moving around it.
>>>> I place a list of things below that are within reach of today's
>>>> technology
>>>> but I'm not sure if they are within the practical financial boundaries of
>>>> a
>>>> marketable device.
>>>> I thought those of you who think about matters like this might weigh in
>>>> on
>>>> this and let me know.
>>>> Here is my list of things the device could do.
>>>> 1.  avoiding objects-people and other interferences to the path of travel
>>>> 2.  Detecting objects as high as one's head.
>>>> 3.  identifying curbs and ramps
>>>> 4.  recognizing intersecting sidewalks or other paths of travel
>>>> 5.  finding doors
>>>> 6.  locating up or down stairs
>>>> 7.  locating elevators
>>>> 8.  locating elevator buttons
>>>> 9.  finding restrooms
>>>> 10.  finding empty urinals
>>>> 11.  finding empty seats on busses or in conference rooms
>>>> 12.  returning to an already found seat
>>>> 13.  finding a bus stop
>>>> 14.  finding a specific address
>>>> 15.  following an indicated person
>>>> I'd be interested in feedback on this idea.
>>>> If you wish to write me off-line, do so at
>>>> mbullis at imagemd.org
>>>> Thanks for your thinking.
>>>> Mike
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