[nfb-talk] respect was RE: guide bots

Anjelina Cruz anjelinac26 at gmail.com
Fri May 31 22:58:25 UTC 2013 

Hi Joshua,
Yep, sounds like you do. :) You definitely don't deserve that type of treatment.

On 5/31/13, Joshua Lester <JLester8462 at pccua.edu> wrote:
> When I did politely refuse his help, he went into a cussing fit!
> I need a new barber!
> Blessings, Joshua
> ________________________________________
> From: nfb-talk [nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Anjelina Cruz
> [anjelinac26 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 5:51 PM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] respect was RE: guide bots
>
> Joshua,
> Yes, I agree respect must be earned however it's also important to
> preserve your own dignity. I can understand your outrage with your
> barber, but you never know when someday he might "get it." Even if he
> insists you take his shoulder you can also take control and politely
> refuse his help. Just as respect is a two-way street, so are our
> reactions to people in general.
>
> On 5/31/13, Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name> wrote:
>> I mostly meant the thing about acting like Democrats, which was just
>> completely uncalled for.
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 31, 2013, at 6:36 PM, Joshua Lester <JLester8462 at pccua.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Mr. Brannan.
>>> I respect those individuals, but when they continue to do the things
>>> that
>>> I respectfully asked them not to do, it turns me off.
>>> This barber is a prime example of that.
>>> Unfortunately, he's the only one in my small town.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: nfb-talk [nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Buddy Brannan
>>> [buddy at brannan.name]
>>> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 5:29 PM
>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] respect was RE: guide bots
>>>
>>> Wow Josh,
>>>
>>> In one respect, you are correct: for respect to be given, it must be
>>> earned. At least, if one acts in a disrespectful fashion, then that
>>> respect hasn't been earned. Sorry to say, I don't see much in this
>>> response that merits respect, as it is itself disrespectful of people
>>> who
>>> don't deserve to be disrespectful. So, on the one hand, respect must be
>>> earned to be given, on the other hand, who acts first? I hope for the
>>> first actor in such situations to be me; in other words, I will give
>>> people the respect due any human being until such time as they prove
>>> that
>>> they aren't worthy of respect by being themselves disrespectful for no
>>> good reason. I see no good reason for your disrespectful post below.
>>> --
>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 31, 2013, at 6:20 PM, Joshua Lester <JLester8462 at pccua.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You guys sound like Democrats!
>>>> Give everything unconditionally!
>>>> Respect is to be earned!
>>>> If you want respect, you must give it!
>>>> We shouldn't give those people respect, if they don't respect us in
>>>> return!
>>>> It's a two-way street!
>>>> I just got a haircut today, and my barber, who has known me since I was
>>>> a
>>>> baby, still insists that I put my hand on his shoulder, instead of just
>>>> letting me use my cane to get into the barbershop!
>>>> He doesn't understand, although I've told him 100 times, that I could
>>>> just use my cane and follow him!
>>>> BTW, putting my hand on his shoulder isn't propper "sighted guide," and
>>>> I've told him that, time and time again, to no avail!
>>>> Like Chris said, I've thrown up my hands, and given up on him!
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> From: nfb-talk [nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Anjelina
>>>> [anjelinac26 at gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 5:09 PM
>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots
>>>>
>>>> Wow! That's quite harsh to call a group of people stupid. Even if they
>>>> don't understand what you think they should.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Anjelina's iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On May 31, 2013, at 3:16 PM, Joshua Lester <JLester8462 at pccua.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That's the term I use for the stupid ones that no matter how many
>>>>> times
>>>>> you correct them, they just don't get it!
>>>>> Good grief!
>>>>> There is a difference between ignorant, and stupid.
>>>>> The ignorant ones actually want to know, but the stupid ones just
>>>>> don't
>>>>> care.
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>> From: nfb-talk [nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sheila
>>>>> Leigland [sleigland at bresnan.net]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 2:11 PM
>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots
>>>>>
>>>>> hi I agree completely on this one. Part of showing respect is not
>>>>> using
>>>>> terms that can e insulting to others.
>>>>> On 5/31/2013 12:18 PM, Eddie Salcido wrote:
>>>>>> I know this message is late, but I'd like to address something that
>>>>>> Joshua
>>>>>> said.  He called sighted people sighties.  How is that different from
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> calling us blinks or blindies?  How can we expect to have a mature
>>>>>> dialogue
>>>>>> with people when we use such terms?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Joshua
>>>>>> Lester
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:02 PM
>>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brian!
>>>>>> It's not that I have all kinds of problems, but it's that the
>>>>>> ignorance
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> getting old!
>>>>>> We need to do more as blind individuals to educate the sighties about
>>>>>> us, so
>>>>>> we don't have to deal with the ignorance for much longer.
>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>> From: nfb-talk [nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Bryan
>>>>>> Schulz
>>>>>> [b.schulz at sbcglobal.net]
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 2:58 PM
>>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> if that gets you torqed, you've got more problems than that!
>>>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <JLester8462 at pccua.edu>
>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 2:45 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi, Mrs. Gloria!
>>>>>>> I get so tired of ignorant ideots calling my cane a "stick!"
>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>>> From: nfb-talk [nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Gloria
>>>>>>> Whipple
>>>>>>> [glowhi at centurylink.net]
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 2:35 PM
>>>>>>> To: 'Misty Dawn Bradley'; 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Misty,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree with you on the GPS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have had people tell me to leave my stick if I am going sighted
>>>>>>> guide
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> them. I tell them that my so called stick is part of me. I don't
>>>>>>> leave
>>>>>>> home
>>>>>>> without it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gloria Whipple
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>> Misty
>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>> Bradley
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:42
>>>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am the same way. I have been using my cane since I was in
>>>>>>> kindergarten
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> first grade, which is about 20 years ago, so I don't feel right when
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> have my cane with me. I also like the challenge of figuring out
>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> own, although it is nice to have a GPS sometimes, but it is not a
>>>>>>> necessity.
>>>>>>> Misty
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Gloria Whipple" <glowhi at centurylink.net>
>>>>>>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:33 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am not sure about this. I am so use to using my cane and like it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gloria Whipple
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>> Jacobson
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:28
>>>>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To me, the idea of a device that is responsible for guiding, even
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>> simpler as described here, adds so much complexity and
>>>>>>>> size that really has limited advantage to my way of thinking.  A
>>>>>>>> small
>>>>>>>> device that could be mounted on a cane or connected to a
>>>>>>>> dog's leash to detect objects and provide feedback would provide
>>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> what a guiding device would without the size and other
>>>>>>>> complicating issues.  Why does it have to aim itself at all if the
>>>>>>>> blind
>>>>>>>> person were to receive enough information to do the
>>>>>>>> aiming from a smaller travel aid?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 May 2013 11:24:59 -0400, Michael Bullis wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've been thinking about a new travel device lately and would be
>>>>>>>>> interested
>>>>>>>>> in any feedback members might have.
>>>>>>>>> I've been wondering lately if there is enough reasonably priced
>>>>>>>>> portable
>>>>>>>>> processing power available to make a guide bot.
>>>>>>>>> From looking on the web there are a few projects, mostly not very
>>>>>>>>> efficient
>>>>>>>>> ones.  There is a company called nst that is working on it but
>>>>>>>>> expects to
>>>>>>>>> bring a product to market in the 2020's.  The reason most projects
>>>>>>>>> are so
>>>>>>>>> difficult is that they are spending inordinate amounts of time and
>>>>>>>>> money
>>>>>>>>> teaching the guide bots to climb stairs and fully "lead" the blind
>>>>>>>>> person.
>>>>>>>>> We know this is unnecessary.
>>>>>>>>> If you remove the necessity to "lead" the blind person the project
>>>>>>>>> becomes
>>>>>>>>> much simpler.
>>>>>>>>> The device doesn't need to climb stairs.  The blind person can
>>>>>>>>> simply
>>>>>>>>> lift
>>>>>>>>> it up or down.  This assumes of course that it is a lightweight
>>>>>>>>> device.
>>>>>>>>> For example, suppose you have a two wheeled device with two
>>>>>>>>> forward
>>>>>>>>> facing
>>>>>>>>> cameras  and a handle on it that you direct.  You push the device
>>>>>>>>> down
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> sidewalk let's say.  When it detects an object that you should go
>>>>>>>>> around,
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> the left, the left wheel has a brake on it.  When the left brake
>>>>>>>>> engages
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> slows the left wheel, the device naturally turns that direction.
>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>> thing happens if you want to go right.  If there's a curb coming,
>>>>>>>>> both
>>>>>>>>> wheels slowly engage their brakes.
>>>>>>>>> At any time, if you as the person in charge wish to override the
>>>>>>>>> braking,
>>>>>>>>> you simply give a quick shove to the device.
>>>>>>>>> The blind person provides the forward motion, eliminating any need
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> motive power.  The only thing the device needs power for is
>>>>>>>>> processing
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> braking.
>>>>>>>>> Whether verbally, or with a small keypad, you tell the device what
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>> it to do.  If the device is going to talk to you at all it needs
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> through an open-ear earbud.  But this may be unnecessary.
>>>>>>>>> I believe it would require two cameras for measuring distance and
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> scanning both in front and to the sides.
>>>>>>>>> In order for the device to be practical it would have to solve
>>>>>>>>> problems
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> the cane and most dogs don't solve.  That is, it would have to
>>>>>>>>> detect
>>>>>>>>> objects at head height.  And, it would have to be fast.  The thing
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> limits a cane user in new territory is the necessity of slowing
>>>>>>>>> down
>>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>>> detecting an object and moving around it.
>>>>>>>>> I place a list of things below that are within reach of today's
>>>>>>>>> technology
>>>>>>>>> but I'm not sure if they are within the practical financial
>>>>>>>>> boundaries of
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> marketable device.
>>>>>>>>> I thought those of you who think about matters like this might
>>>>>>>>> weigh
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> this and let me know.
>>>>>>>>> Here is my list of things the device could do.
>>>>>>>>> 1.  avoiding objects-people and other interferences to the path of
>>>>>>>>> travel
>>>>>>>>> 2.  Detecting objects as high as one's head.
>>>>>>>>> 3.  identifying curbs and ramps
>>>>>>>>> 4.  recognizing intersecting sidewalks or other paths of travel
>>>>>>>>> 5.  finding doors
>>>>>>>>> 6.  locating up or down stairs
>>>>>>>>> 7.  locating elevators
>>>>>>>>> 8.  locating elevator buttons
>>>>>>>>> 9.  finding restrooms
>>>>>>>>> 10.  finding empty urinals
>>>>>>>>> 11.  finding empty seats on busses or in conference rooms
>>>>>>>>> 12.  returning to an already found seat
>>>>>>>>> 13.  finding a bus stop
>>>>>>>>> 14.  finding a specific address
>>>>>>>>> 15.  following an indicated person
>>>>>>>>> I'd be interested in feedback on this idea.
>>>>>>>>> If you wish to write me off-line, do so at
>>>>>>>>> mbullis at imagemd.org
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your thinking.
>>>>>>>>> Mike
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