[nfb-talk] Climate

John Heim john at johnheim.net
Thu Jun 18 02:56:02 UTC 2015 

Come on, Larry, do you really think I was saying you had to change the 
world all by yourself?

When I wrote of your negative attitude, I was talking about your comment 
agreeing with Tom Freeman that the climate wasn't right for getting laws 
passed to get things fixed. First of all, that's not even true. The 
truth is that much of the progress that has been made has been in spite 
of the NFB's efforts to derail it. I know that's hard to hear but it's 
true. I am not questioning the sincerity of those involved but the fact 
is that the NFB has been on the wrong, not to mention the losing side, 
of a lot of battles over the past few years. Secondly, if the climate 
has changed to be against us, lets change it back!

Look at what has happened with gay marriage over the past 2 or 3 years. 
The country did an almost complete about face on that issue over the 
past few years. Any day now, it is probably going to be the law of the 
land. Whatever you think of gay marriage, you have to admit that was in 
incredible turnaround.

And we have one extraordinarily powerful weapon on our side -- the 
truth. The truth has strength. It has power. With it, we can win.

[And no, I am not running for President of the NFB.]

On 06/17/2015 09:36 PM, Larry Wayland via nfb-talk wrote:
> It was a state law passed in Arkansas.  You are right, you don't know me and
> it sure looked as though you were attacking me directly.  I don't know what
> you see im my message that looks like a defeatist attitude. I just said the
> laws are in place and they are not really doing any good.  It looks as
> though the companies are just ignoring them. I agree with you about being
> knocked down a thousand  times. It sure seems that way sometimes, and you
> are right we should not ever accept defeat.
> Larry
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of John Heim
> via nfb-talk
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 9:10 PM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Cc: John Heim
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Climate
>
> First of all, your message is too vague for me to respond to in any
> meaningful way. What law are you talking about?
>
> Secondly, when I said "you", I didn't mean you personally. I meant everyone
> in the NFB. That should have been obvious.  For all I know you personally
> arere on 18 boards of directors and are the president of 23 non-profits.
> That's not the point.
>
> On the other hand, you personally are responsible for helping to prepetuate
> this defeatist attitude.  We can't win if we tell ourselves we are beaten
> before we even start. I personally will never accept that.
> I don't care if I get knocked down a thousand times, I intend to keep
> fighting. And I'll tell you, with iavit.org, sometimes I feel like it's at
> least a thousand times already.
>
> On 06/17/2015 08:52 PM, Larry Wayland via nfb-talk wrote:
>> I did, we worked hard and got a law passed and it worked great for 15
> years.
>> Then a new administration came along and repealed the law. The law was
>> used to successfully sue the state. If we could have gotten other
>> states to pass a similar law it would have worked great, but other
>> states were not able to pass a similar law so companies just refused
>> to update the software we sued over so the reps thought they had to
>> repeal the law to protect the state from other law suits. If other
>> states had passed similar laws they would have been forced to make
>> their software accessible and we would not be in this situation. So
>> maybe you need to get off your butt! and get some laws passed your self!
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of John
>> Heim via nfb-talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 8:18 PM
>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>> Cc: John Heim
>> Subject: [nfb-talk] Climate (was: Medical feeding tube not accessible
>> to a
>> member)
>>
>> So what are you going to do about it? The problem I have with this
>> attitude is that it is so often used as an excuse to not try. Just
>> stop it! Stop! Get off your butts and get to work. Pass a resolution
>> demanding accessible medical devices and then move heaven and earth to
>> get the law passed.  And if you fail, try again only try harder. And
>> if you fail again, try harder still!
>>
>> This is how the world is changed. It's not changed by sitting around
>> and talking about how hard it is to change the world.
>>
>> On 06/17/2015 07:34 PM, Larry Wayland via nfb-talk wrote:
>>> Yes we have those laws,  and yet almost all TV systems are still not
>>> accessible. Blind people are still having trouble with accessibility
>>> in schools and with their jobs. I agree that the political climate is
>>> not good for passing good solid laws at this time and I think it will
>>> be a while before we see any serious improvement.
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of John
>>> Heim via nfb-talk
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 5:39 PM
>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>> Cc: John Heim
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Medical feeding tube not accessible to a
>>> member
>>>
>>> In recent years, Congress has given us an improved ADA and the
>>> Twenty-First Century Communications and Video Accessibility Act. The
>>> Supreme Court signed off on accessible currency. I don't think the
>>> political climate is anywhere near the impediment to progress that
>>> you
>> make it out to be.
>>> On 06/17/2015 03:41 PM, Mike Freeman via nfb-talk wrote:
>>>> IMO it will require Congressional action to mandate accessibility --
>>>> something I deem highly unlikely in the current political climate.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken
>>>> Chrane via nfb-talk
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 1:29 PM
>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>> Cc: Ken Chrane
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Medical feeding tube not accessible to a
>>>> member
>>>>
>>>> Greetings Fellow Federationists:
>>>> An issue of this kind may be brought up at our upcoming NFB
>>>> Convention in Orlando, Florida.
>>>> Please pass the word around.
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Ken Chrane
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Ken Chrane via nfb-talk
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 4:23 PM
>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>> Cc: Ken Chrane
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Medical feeding tube not accessible to a
>>>> member
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Roanna Bacchus via nfb-talk
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 2:07 PM
>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>> Cc: Roanna Bacchus
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Medical feeding tube not accessible to a
>>>> member
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jason thanks for your message.  I do not know if there is a
>>>> machine for feeding that is accessible to the blind.  I've never
>>>> heard of medical tubes being accessible to the blind.  This is an
>>>> interesting issue for your member.
>>>>
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