[nfb-talk] Wanting to See

kaye zimpher kaye.j.zimpher at gmail.com
Sat Jan 7 23:00:44 UTC 2017 

I'm not prejudice, I hate everyone. lol, just kidding. But this message is 
true. I can remember having conversations with people who were amazed and 
angered that someone they knew made a racist statement, but 10 minutes later 
they made a statement about seeing 2 men holding hands. What is that? Aren't 
they, in some way the same, they are at least hurtful.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Buddy Brannan via nfb-talk" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Cc: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Wanting to See


> Oh gosh. Let's see. Of course, there are the usual prejudices that are 
> learned, like race, ethnicity, socioeconomic status. Voice and speech 
> mannerisms, and don't tell me that we don't judge on those! I certainly 
> do, even if unconsciously. Level of education, or perceived level of 
> education. Disability, yes, even that.
>
> Here's what I'm getting at. Human beings judge. Human beings put people 
> into little boxes, sometimes, as I said, unconsciously. Human beings have 
> prejudices, and they're not all based, or, I'd say, in the main, even 
> primarily based, on visual aspects. I'd love to meet the person who 
> doesn't have any prejudices. It's one flaw in being human. We seem to have 
> a need to be better than some other group in some way. The great thing 
> about being human, however, is we can learn to recognize this tendency and 
> actively and consciously work in ourselves to combat it.
>
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: 814-860-3194
> Mobile: 814-431-0962
> Email: buddy at brannan.name
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>
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>
>> On Jan 7, 2017, at 5:02 PM, Jen via nfb-talk <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> "Re: "about a thousand left to go..."
>>
>> Such as?
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy
>> Brannan via nfb-talk
>> Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2017 4:52 PM
>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Wanting to See
>>
>> Well...that's one avenue of judgment down, about a thousand left to go 
>> :-)
>>
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: 814-860-3194
>> Mobile: 814-431-0962
>> Email: buddy at brannan.name
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 7, 2017, at 4:51 PM, Jen via nfb-talk <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Walter,
>>>
>>> On the "blessing" side, I think one of the advantages of blindness is
>> being
>>> unable to judge someone by their looks. Also, I think the way I see 
>>> things
>>> in my mind's eye is more vivid than that of a sighted person. About your
>>> "carnage" comment, I'm glad I couldn't see what was happening on 
>>> September
>>> 11, 2001.
>>>
>>> On the "curse" side, the problem of low expectations is still too
>> frequent,
>>> especially with employment, with seventy percent of working-age blind
>> people
>>> unemployed.
>>>
>>> Jen
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Walter
>>> Mitchell via nfb-talk
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2017 8:54 AM
>>> To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List' <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Walter Mitchell <walterl.mitch2 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Wanting to See
>>>
>>> I have been following this string of messages, but the reply below
>>> encouraged me to reply. I am my own worst critic and greatest fan. I see
>>> perfection in some areas in my life and imperfection in other areas. 
>>> With
>>> that, I believe blindness is as Tony Shelub, the star of the show 
>>> "Monk,"
>>> expressed about his condition on the show; this is a blessing and a 
>>> curse.
>>> It is a blessing for all the carnage we miss that is happening on a 
>>> daily
>>> basis in the world and a curse when the people look at us as incompetent
>> and
>>> dependant on their sight and intellect.
>>>
>>> Yes, it would be great to have my sight back, but the most high has
>> ordained
>>> it to be different from what I want. I have accepted the fact and have
>> moved
>>> on with the help of the NFB and people like each of you. We all have
>>> different opinions of what could or should be, but we all have had a big
>>> gulp of reality. I pray for each of your, peace and safety.
>>>
>>> Living the dream, by raising expectations!
>>>
>>> Much Love,
>>> Walter Mitchell
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Devin
>>> Prater via nfb-talk
>>> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 8:53 PM
>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>> Cc: Devin Prater
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Wanting to See
>>>
>>> Perfection isn't really something that is the same for everyone. I'm
>> pretty
>>> perfect to myself, for example. If we see ourselves with blimishes and
>>> imperfections, we won't be able to see the amazing things about 
>>> ourselves.
>>>
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>>>
>>> On January 6, 2017 7:27:57 PM John Heim via nfb-talk 
>>> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I, fortunately, am perfect except for the fact that I am blind.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 01/06/2017 07:08 PM, Devin Prater via nfb-talk wrote:
>>>>> I think it's mostly about how you view yourself. I'm fat, at around
>>>>> 235 pounds, and have been blind since birth. I accept both my big
>>>>> belly, and blind eyes, so I don't worry about either, which leads to
>>>>> much less stress on that front.
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> On January 6, 2017 6:52:28 PM John Heim via nfb-talk
>>>>> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey, I didn't insert the word "defective" into this debate. My point
>>>>>> has been that you can even say I am defective and it means nothing to
>>> me.
>>>>>> Defective, disabled, handicapped -- I don't care.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 01/06/2017 06:43 PM, kaye zimpher via nfb-talk wrote:
>>>>>>> First I want to say, that having read the original post, I am
>>>>>>> wondering how we got from "are feelings normal" to "we are all
>>> defective morons."
>>>>>>> Well, John didn't say moron, that was a joke, but that is just to
>>>>>>> say it has stretched the topic a bit. But enough of that, now on to
>>>>>>> my response to Jen.
>>>>>>> Personally, I too have been blind from birth. I actually can't
>>>>>>> remember a time that I ever wanted to see. There was a time, when I
>>>>>>> was much younger that I did not accept myself, or my place in life,
>>>>>>> but as I got older, and realized a few things, I have grown to love
>>>>>>> my life as a blind person.
>>>>>>> I have found that many of the things that people "wish they could
>> see,"
>>>>>>> I already have a basis for in my mind, and like you, I don't want
>>>>>>> to ruin that. I am a perfectly capable person, and I would not
>>>>>>> want, at the age of 46, to take the time to truly relearn life.
>>>>>>> Also, and here's where many may disagree, I am a believer in God,
>>>>>>> and I truly believe that He made me this way for his reasons. It is
>>>>>>> upon me to accept those reasons and live the life He asks of me.
>>>>>>> I've been asked before if I feel that God will heel me. I usually
>>>>>>> say that if he sees the need, he definitely has the power, but I
>>>>>>> believe this is exactly who he wants me to be. Why would I challenge
>>> that?
>>>>>>> When it comes to conveniences, I feel that much of what a sighted
>>>>>>> person does, I also do. Have you ever lived in New York? Nobody
>>>>>>> there drives, they all take the subway or cab, or now Uber, so how
>>>>>>> is that different from me? I watch TV, I listen to books, and while
>>>>>>> many sighted folks don't listen to audio books, some do. I cook,
>>>>>>> clean, work, complain about my relationship, my job and the state
>>>>>>> of the world, and I crave snack foods when I'm dieting. *smile* So
>>>>>>> having said all this, I find my life to basically be the same as
>>> everyone else's.
>>>>>>> As for whether or not your feelings are normal. They are your
>>>>>>> feelings, so they are your normal. Only you can feel the way you
>>>>>>> do, and noone can take it away or tell you not to. It is all in how
>>>>>>> you deal with those feelings that matters.
>>>>>>> Sorry for the long post. Everyone have a great weekend.
>>>>>>> Kaye in Jacksonville Florida, where it is *not* snowing!
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jen via nfb-talk"
>>>>>>> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Cc: "Jen" <spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 8:30 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] Wanting to See
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As I posted on my "driverless cars" thread, I'm totally blind from
>>>>>>>> birth.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have always been interested in visual things. They include
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * pictures, especially pictures of pictures
>>>>>>>> * colors
>>>>>>>> * the sky
>>>>>>>> * videos
>>>>>>>> * light and the various ways it can be manipulated, like with
>>>>>>>> shadows and optical illusions
>>>>>>>> * rainbows
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ... and so many others.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now here's my question. I wish I could see sometimes. Is this
>>>>>>>> normal for a blind person? I'm not consumed by these feelings. I
>>>>>>>> don't feel sorry for myself for being blind, and I have
>>>>>>>> incorporated alternative techniques into my life. So personally, I
>>>>>>>> consider myself as a well-adjusted blind person.
>>>>>>>> At the same time though, I wouldn't want my sight back because,
>>>>>>>> since I've never had it, everything would be too much clutter for
>>>>>>>> me. Also, I have my own pictures of visual things in my mind's
>>>>>>>> eye, and I wouldn't want to ruin them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My family and friends, who are sighted, tell me it is normal to
>>>>>>>> have these feelings. But it would be great to get some feedback
>>>>>>>> from my fellow Federationists.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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