[nfb-talk] Wanting to See

Buddy Brannan buddy at brannan.name
Sat Jan 7 23:28:12 UTC 2017


> On Jan 7, 2017, at 6:00 PM, kaye zimpher via nfb-talk <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I'm not prejudice, I hate everyone. 


LOL! I should have expected that. (Actually, I've said that myself a time or two!) 

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> On Jan 7, 2017, at 6:00 PM, kaye zimpher via nfb-talk <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I'm not prejudice, I hate everyone. lol, just kidding. But this message is true. I can remember having conversations with people who were amazed and angered that someone they knew made a racist statement, but 10 minutes later they made a statement about seeing 2 men holding hands. What is that? Aren't they, in some way the same, they are at least hurtful.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buddy Brannan via nfb-talk" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
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> Cc: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 5:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Wanting to See
> 
> 
>> Oh gosh. Let's see. Of course, there are the usual prejudices that are learned, like race, ethnicity, socioeconomic status. Voice and speech mannerisms, and don't tell me that we don't judge on those! I certainly do, even if unconsciously. Level of education, or perceived level of education. Disability, yes, even that.
>> 
>> Here's what I'm getting at. Human beings judge. Human beings put people into little boxes, sometimes, as I said, unconsciously. Human beings have prejudices, and they're not all based, or, I'd say, in the main, even primarily based, on visual aspects. I'd love to meet the person who doesn't have any prejudices. It's one flaw in being human. We seem to have a need to be better than some other group in some way. The great thing about being human, however, is we can learn to recognize this tendency and actively and consciously work in ourselves to combat it.
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>> 
>>> On Jan 7, 2017, at 5:02 PM, Jen via nfb-talk <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> "Re: "about a thousand left to go..."
>>> 
>>> Such as?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy
>>> Brannan via nfb-talk
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2017 4:52 PM
>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Wanting to See
>>> 
>>> Well...that's one avenue of judgment down, about a thousand left to go :-)
>>> 
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>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 7, 2017, at 4:51 PM, Jen via nfb-talk <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Walter,
>>>> 
>>>> On the "blessing" side, I think one of the advantages of blindness is
>>> being
>>>> unable to judge someone by their looks. Also, I think the way I see things
>>>> in my mind's eye is more vivid than that of a sighted person. About your
>>>> "carnage" comment, I'm glad I couldn't see what was happening on September
>>>> 11, 2001.
>>>> 
>>>> On the "curse" side, the problem of low expectations is still too
>>> frequent,
>>>> especially with employment, with seventy percent of working-age blind
>>> people
>>>> unemployed.
>>>> 
>>>> Jen
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Walter
>>>> Mitchell via nfb-talk
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2017 8:54 AM
>>>> To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List' <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Walter Mitchell <walterl.mitch2 at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Wanting to See
>>>> 
>>>> I have been following this string of messages, but the reply below
>>>> encouraged me to reply. I am my own worst critic and greatest fan. I see
>>>> perfection in some areas in my life and imperfection in other areas. With
>>>> that, I believe blindness is as Tony Shelub, the star of the show "Monk,"
>>>> expressed about his condition on the show; this is a blessing and a curse.
>>>> It is a blessing for all the carnage we miss that is happening on a daily
>>>> basis in the world and a curse when the people look at us as incompetent
>>> and
>>>> dependant on their sight and intellect.
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, it would be great to have my sight back, but the most high has
>>> ordained
>>>> it to be different from what I want. I have accepted the fact and have
>>> moved
>>>> on with the help of the NFB and people like each of you. We all have
>>>> different opinions of what could or should be, but we all have had a big
>>>> gulp of reality. I pray for each of your, peace and safety.
>>>> 
>>>> Living the dream, by raising expectations!
>>>> 
>>>> Much Love,
>>>> Walter Mitchell
>>>> Member, NFB Ohio, Cincinnati chapter, Diabetes Action Network Ohio
>>>> Coordinator, NFB NEWSLINE Registered Ohio
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>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Devin
>>>> Prater via nfb-talk
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 8:53 PM
>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>> Cc: Devin Prater
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Wanting to See
>>>> 
>>>> Perfection isn't really something that is the same for everyone. I'm
>>> pretty
>>>> perfect to myself, for example. If we see ourselves with blimishes and
>>>> imperfections, we won't be able to see the amazing things about ourselves.
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> On January 6, 2017 7:27:57 PM John Heim via nfb-talk <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I, fortunately, am perfect except for the fact that I am blind.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 01/06/2017 07:08 PM, Devin Prater via nfb-talk wrote:
>>>>>> I think it's mostly about how you view yourself. I'm fat, at around
>>>>>> 235 pounds, and have been blind since birth. I accept both my big
>>>>>> belly, and blind eyes, so I don't worry about either, which leads to
>>>>>> much less stress on that front.
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On January 6, 2017 6:52:28 PM John Heim via nfb-talk
>>>>>> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hey, I didn't insert the word "defective" into this debate. My point
>>>>>>> has been that you can even say I am defective and it means nothing to
>>>> me.
>>>>>>> Defective, disabled, handicapped -- I don't care.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 01/06/2017 06:43 PM, kaye zimpher via nfb-talk wrote:
>>>>>>>> First I want to say, that having read the original post, I am
>>>>>>>> wondering how we got from "are feelings normal" to "we are all
>>>> defective morons."
>>>>>>>> Well, John didn't say moron, that was a joke, but that is just to
>>>>>>>> say it has stretched the topic a bit. But enough of that, now on to
>>>>>>>> my response to Jen.
>>>>>>>> Personally, I too have been blind from birth. I actually can't
>>>>>>>> remember a time that I ever wanted to see. There was a time, when I
>>>>>>>> was much younger that I did not accept myself, or my place in life,
>>>>>>>> but as I got older, and realized a few things, I have grown to love
>>>>>>>> my life as a blind person.
>>>>>>>> I have found that many of the things that people "wish they could
>>> see,"
>>>>>>>> I already have a basis for in my mind, and like you, I don't want
>>>>>>>> to ruin that. I am a perfectly capable person, and I would not
>>>>>>>> want, at the age of 46, to take the time to truly relearn life.
>>>>>>>> Also, and here's where many may disagree, I am a believer in God,
>>>>>>>> and I truly believe that He made me this way for his reasons. It is
>>>>>>>> upon me to accept those reasons and live the life He asks of me.
>>>>>>>> I've been asked before if I feel that God will heel me. I usually
>>>>>>>> say that if he sees the need, he definitely has the power, but I
>>>>>>>> believe this is exactly who he wants me to be. Why would I challenge
>>>> that?
>>>>>>>> When it comes to conveniences, I feel that much of what a sighted
>>>>>>>> person does, I also do. Have you ever lived in New York? Nobody
>>>>>>>> there drives, they all take the subway or cab, or now Uber, so how
>>>>>>>> is that different from me? I watch TV, I listen to books, and while
>>>>>>>> many sighted folks don't listen to audio books, some do. I cook,
>>>>>>>> clean, work, complain about my relationship, my job and the state
>>>>>>>> of the world, and I crave snack foods when I'm dieting. *smile* So
>>>>>>>> having said all this, I find my life to basically be the same as
>>>> everyone else's.
>>>>>>>> As for whether or not your feelings are normal. They are your
>>>>>>>> feelings, so they are your normal. Only you can feel the way you
>>>>>>>> do, and noone can take it away or tell you not to. It is all in how
>>>>>>>> you deal with those feelings that matters.
>>>>>>>> Sorry for the long post. Everyone have a great weekend.
>>>>>>>> Kaye in Jacksonville Florida, where it is *not* snowing!
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jen via nfb-talk"
>>>>>>>> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Cc: "Jen" <spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 8:30 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] Wanting to See
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> As I posted on my "driverless cars" thread, I'm totally blind from
>>>>>>>>> birth.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I have always been interested in visual things. They include
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> * pictures, especially pictures of pictures
>>>>>>>>> * colors
>>>>>>>>> * the sky
>>>>>>>>> * videos
>>>>>>>>> * light and the various ways it can be manipulated, like with
>>>>>>>>> shadows and optical illusions
>>>>>>>>> * rainbows
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ... and so many others.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Now here's my question. I wish I could see sometimes. Is this
>>>>>>>>> normal for a blind person? I'm not consumed by these feelings. I
>>>>>>>>> don't feel sorry for myself for being blind, and I have
>>>>>>>>> incorporated alternative techniques into my life. So personally, I
>>>>>>>>> consider myself as a well-adjusted blind person.
>>>>>>>>> At the same time though, I wouldn't want my sight back because,
>>>>>>>>> since I've never had it, everything would be too much clutter for
>>>>>>>>> me. Also, I have my own pictures of visual things in my mind's
>>>>>>>>> eye, and I wouldn't want to ruin them.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> My family and friends, who are sighted, tell me it is normal to
>>>>>>>>> have these feelings. But it would be great to get some feedback
>>>>>>>>> from my fellow Federationists.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
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