sonshines59 at gmail.com
Fri Jul 14 17:35:02 UTC 2017
This is all blown way out of proportion.
From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karen Rose via nfb-talk
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 11:13 AM
To: Jack Heim
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Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Trumpcare
Or is that in fact the point question mark do they want to kill off tens of thousands of people who they consider undeserving of life – poor people and people of color and people with disabilities…? Karen
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> On Jul 14, 2017, at 10:06 AM, Jack Heim <john at johnheim.com> wrote:
> Well, it is fair to say that there will be tens of thousands of premature deaths if the Republicans get their bill passed. The death rate dropped a huge amount after Massachusets passed it's health care bill. Estimates based on that predict about 28,000 additional deaths per year based on the House version of the Republican health care bill. As a mathematician and a quasi-scientist, I know those numbers are very rough. But to say that tens of thousands of people will die every year is not unrealistic.
> I'd like everyone on this list to think about that... Our representatives in Washington are considering makeing changes to our system that would cause tens of thousands of premature deaths every year. How in the world did we get into a position where legislation like that is even contemplated?
> On 07/14/2017 11:03 AM, Karen Rose wrote:
> > I am in similar position to yours – I get healthcare through the work I do and have done. I too would benefit from the Republican murder of 20 Dash 24,000,000 people. However I do not want to be a part of The murder of others simply so that I pay less. Also people do not really understand that no one benefits from the illness of others. The fact that I have insurance and can see a doctor if needed does not prevent me from contracting a contagious disease from someone who cannot. Karen
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >> On Jul 14, 2017, at 6:52 AM, Jack Heim via nfb-talk <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> From Paul Krugman's column in the New York Times today:
> >> "Conservative ideology always denied the proposition that people are entitled to health care; the Republican elite considered and still considers people on Medicaid, in particular, “takers” who are effectively stealing from the deserving rich."
> >> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/13/opinion/trumpcare-mitch-mcconnell-taxes.html?rref=collection%2Fcolumn%2Fpaul-krugman&action=click&contentCollection=opinion®ion=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=collection#continues-post-newsletter
> >> The current version of the Republican health care bill has the change my Senator, Ron Johnson, and Senator Ted Cruz demanded -- it allows companies to charge extra or deny coverage to people with pre-existing conditions. What kind of people could look at a bill that takes health care away from 20+ million people and decide that their main problem with it is that it requires insurance companies to accept people with pre-existing conditions?
> >> Krugman is absolutely right. This has next to nothing to do with the alledged flaws in Obamacare. Various versions of the Republican health care bills have taken coverage away from 20 million to 24 million people. With their darwinistic view of the world, they think that's a good thing. The issue here really is whether we as a country are better off making sure people get health care or not. But you can't make this a stronger nation by taking health care away from 20+ million people.
> >> Note: I get health care through my work. I am not personally a Medicaid recipient. I would actually benefit financially from the Republican health care bill.
> >> --
> >> John Heim
> >> john at johnheim.com
> >> * The Electoral College is like giving one team 6 points for a touchdown and the other team 4. *
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