[nfb-talk] Fwd: Mandalay Bay discussion

Michael Bullis bullis.michael at gmail.com
Fri Jul 27 20:07:38 UTC 2018


I've been trying to sort all of this out in my mind.  I go to hotels all the time that do reprehensible things.  Some are run by the mob.  Some are not environmentally friendly in their practices.  Others hire illegal aliens to work for them.  And, worst of all, most of them underpay their staff outrageously showing great profits for stockholders but expecting me to tip cleaning staff to make up for what they don't pay.
After some research, I am quite offended by what Mandolay Bay is doing in order to avoid lawsuits.  It may not work, by the way.  They may get refused in federal court.  This is quite a novel legal tactic that could simply be struck down and they'll be right back where they were but with egg on their faces for such a publicly stupid stunt.

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Judy and all,

Judy, you don't trust the hotel? What have they done to earn your distrust? Did the hotel staff do anything that prolonged or enhanced the shooting? That is for the courts and both sides to discuss and decide. >From some news reports late last year, if correct, I think I may have an answer, but I don't know.

Do you distrust the hotel staff because of the law suit? Why given the post from Michael A. I wrote my original post because I am seeing wording from listers that is growing more and more angry. This does not help. We are all entitled to our opinions and we have the right to express them in the appropriate places including this list. However, we can go overboard and the discussion can degenerate into a kind of mob mentality where we accomplish nothing.

Several have suggested that President Riccobono should be contacted. Sure if you wish. However, do you really think he is unaware of the discussions and views on this list? He may not personally read the list, but never think for a moment that he has not been made privy to the thoughts of listers.

If you want to say that I am naïve and a Pollyanna to think that he knows of the discussion and that he is not thinking about whether or how to respond then anyone is welcome to express that opinion. At the same time, I have been a part of this organization for 46 years and I have spent much time observing the political process and behavior of our leaders. The teachings of Dr. tenBroek, Dr. Jernigan and Dr. Maurer all tell me that President Riccobono has been taught to keep his finger on the pulse, if you will, of what is going on within the movement. For my part I am confident that President Riccobono will conduct himself appropriately concerning this situation. Again, have faith in our leaders and don't even suddenly distrust the Mandalay Bay hotel over legal maneuvering which may well be in the best interest of everyone. Don't suddenly assume that the staff is against guests and people. That is unfair and unwarranted. 


Best Regards,


Michael Hingson

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I agree with you 100 percent.  Nevertheless, I don't trust that hotel.

Judy


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Everyone,

Clearly this is a hot issue. We do not know all the details of the MGM litigation, but it does seem to me that their tactic is, while possibly an interesting legal maneuver, less than totally ethical. At the same time, our president, Marc Riccobono, entered into a contract with the Mandalay Bay probably before the litigation came down. No matter what, we have a contract and the opportunity to hold our next National convention in Las Vegas. Let's keep our eye on our issues and withhold judgement. We succeed because we keep our eyes on what is important to us.

This is not to say that, given the litigation, we might need to select a different location. Such is extremely difficult. Sometimes we need to make choices. I assure you that no matter the litigation people continue to visit the Mandalay Bay an stay there.

Let's be patient. President Riccobono will do the right thing and he will respond when he deems it appropriate. We spoke and elected him president. Let him lead. 


Best Regards,


Michael Hingson

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I would  like to know what the view of our national leaders is about this.  This troubles me very much!
Sherri

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Amen, Judy!



Mark Tardif
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Hi,

If the owners would pull something like this toward the victims, what other lapses of conscience might they have regarding our organization?  It makes me wonder if they are sue-happy?  I don't mean to be unfair, but to me, suing the victims, of all people, who don't need any more on their plate right now, seems unconscionable.

Judy


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I had wondered the same thing Dan.  I hope we made the deal before the shootings and the actions of the hotel against the victims.
Sherri

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Yes, I didn't make that connection right away either, so you aren't the only one.

Judy


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Isn't the connection rather obvious?

I had not realized until I saw these news reports that the hotel we are using for our 2019 convention is the same hotel that the Las Vegas shooter used to massacre more 58 people in injure hundreds more. I had not made the connection. The reason it has resurfaced in the news is that the hotel's owners are suing the victims of the shooting, to stop them from claiming damages from the hotel, if the hotel is found to be culpable. This seems to be kind of a slimy move on the part of a hotel, with which the NFB is contracting with.

Maybe we reached out to them before the shootings -- or at least before those callous pre-emptive law suits?  Or, maybe this is why the NFB is getting such good rates?

Dan Hicks
Treasurer, Tampa Bay Chapter
National Federation of the Blind of Florida

“The best way to predict the future is to create it.”
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Just what, I wonder, has this got to do with blindness or us?


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