[Nfbc-info] websight access

Thu Jun 11 15:27:14 UTC 2009

Chuck and all,

One workaround for Craig's List is to create an account.  Yes, you 
may need some help to get the captia challenge the first time, but 
after that every time you log into Craig's List you'll just enter 
your account with a standard password and be able to post ads without 
captia challenges.

The larger issue of captias in general remains to be solved.  Perhaps 
legislation in California could specify that organizations wishing to 
do business in California may not depend on an entirely-visual (or 
entirely audio, for  that matter) mechanism to verify human 
identity.  The webmasters would be free to use many solutions to the 
ban, but in case of a dispute, perhaps a committee in the California 
Department of Consumer Affairs could be constructed to take disabled 
consumer complaints.  The committee would be staffed with 
Californians with disabilities and would themselves decide if, say, a 
garbled audio captia was satisfactory.  Fiscal impact would be 
minimal as the committee could be volunteer, such as the Rehab 
SRC.  This model for protecting consumer access would look a bit like 
the California Medical Board, called upon to judge practices but not 
specifying in a zillion micro details how industry sets about finding 
humanistic solutions for the captia problem.

Bryan

At 10:48 PM 6/10/2009, you wrote:
>After you post and review your ad you will find a page that shows 
>the word verification format. On that page there is a link that says 
>"Get Audio Challenge." after clicking on this link you will hear 
>audio instructions and you will then hear a series of words which a 
>bit garbled almost sounding like it is coming from a narrative with 
>sound effects in the background. I attempted to create an ad as I'm 
>trying to find homes for kittens and I gave up on attempting to use 
>it after a few tries. I do not consider this format to be 
>satisfactory for screen reader use. apparently this is new since the 
>last time I posted an ad.
>Chuck
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Marianne Haas" 
><braillewoman at earthlink.net>
>To: "'NFB of California List'" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:41 PM
>Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] websight access
>
>
>>How do I get to this audio version?
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
>>Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 10:55 PM
>>To: NFB of California List
>>Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] websight access
>>
>>Craigslist has an audio alternative that works well or at least it did
>>several months ago when I posted an ad.
>>Chuck
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Marianne Haas" 
>><braillewoman at earthlink.net>
>>To: "'NFB of California List'" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 6:41 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] websight access
>>
>>
>>>Hi Carla,
>>>My name is Marianne and I also have not seen this.  Do you know if
>>>craigslist has something like that/  I always have to ask for assistance
>>>if
>>>I want to put an ad up because of copying the numbers I cannot see.
>>>
>>>Marianne
>>>(510) 525-7965
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>On
>>>Behalf Of Karla Gilbride
>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 5:04 PM
>>>To: NFB of California List
>>>Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] websight access
>>>
>>>The New York Times uses it whenever you try to e-mail an article to
>>>someone. That's the main context in which I've experienced it, though
>>>I've seen it on one or two other sites as well.
>>>
>>>Karla Gilbride
>>>John W. Carson Fellowship Attorney
>>>(admitted to practice in NY only)
>>>Disability Rights Advocates
>>>2001 Center Street, Third Floor
>>>Berkeley, California  94704-1204
>>>
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>>>kgilbride at dralegal.org
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>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>On Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 4:39 PM
>>>To: NFB of California List
>>>Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] websight access
>>>
>>>I have never heard it in action. Can you provide a link to a web site
>>>where it is in use.
>>>Chuck
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Karla Gilbride" <kgilbride at dralegal.org>
>>>To: "NFB of California List" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 9:37 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] websight access
>>>
>>>
>>>>What do you all think of the new Re-Captia that uses strings of words
>>>>instead of those number sequences in the garbled voice? The sound
>>>>quality is much better though there is more to copy (usually for or
>>>>five words in the string).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Karla Gilbride
>>>>John W. Carson Fellowship Attorney
>>>>(admitted to practice in NY only)
>>>>Disability Rights Advocates
>>>>2001 Center Street, Third Floor
>>>>Berkeley, California  94704-1204
>>>>
>>>>510-665-8644  ext. 117 (Tel)
>>>>510-665-8716 (TTY)
>>>>510-665-8511 (Fax)
>>>>kgilbride at dralegal.org
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>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>[mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>On Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
>>>>Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 11:12 PM
>>>>To: NFB of California List
>>>>Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] websight access
>>>>
>>>>yes, many of the alternatives to captcha web sites are difficult to
>>>>understand as the voices are garbled and mixed to create the distorted
>>>
>>>>equivalent of what is on the screen. I with perfect above average
>>>>hearing have had to try several times to sign up on several of them so
>>>
>>>>this is not just a problem for deaf-blind people.
>>>>Chuck
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Angela Palmer" <nexaliq at comcast.net>
>>>>To: <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 8:42 PM
>>>>Subject: [Nfbc-info] websight access
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>>reply-type=original
>>>>>Hello,
>>>>>I agree with the below message.  Except I cannot understand what the
>>>>>captcha   word is due to my hearing loss.  I cannot understand a
>>>thing
>>>>the
>>>>>audio says.  And obviously, I cannot see the visual.  Since I have
>>>>>used several sight that uses this to access the final step of an
>>>>>order
>>>>
>>>>>or something I am compleatly unable to access these sights.
>>>>>
>>>>>Angela and Pathfinder
>>>>>we need to be systematically addressing the use of captcha or word
>>>>>verification systems appearing on many types of web sites without
>>>>>audio alternatives. Web designers convince web site owners that this
>>>>>is a deterrent from various types of malicious data being entered on
>>>>web sites.
>>>>>The only thing that it does is restrict access is this type of image
>>>>>is not compatible with screen reading software as a whole.
>>>>>Chuck
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Michael Hingson" <info at michaelhingson.com>
>>>>>To: "'NFB of California List'" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 11:42 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] After Target - was - Re: What about Apple,
>>>>>iTunes,and the iPhone, etc?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Actually,
>>>>>
>>>>>Apple is making iTunes and iPods accessible under agreements reached
>>>>>after the Target litigation was settled.
>>>>>
>>>>>I would like to see us continue after Target and other organizations
>>>>>for continuing to use touch screen POS machines at checkout counters.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Michael Hingson Group
>>>>>"Speaking with Vision"
>>>>>Michael Hingson, President
>>>>>(415) 827-4084
>>>>>info at michaelhingson.com
>>>>>www.michaelhingson.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>for info on the new KNFB Reader Mobile, visit:
>>>>>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>[mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>On
>>>>>Behalf Of Fred Chambers
>>>>>Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 8:04 AM
>>>>>To: NFB of California List
>>>>>Subject: [Nfbc-info] After Target - was - Re: What about Apple,
>>>>>iTunes, and the iPhone, etc?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Now that some of us are receiving checks from the NFB V. TARGET
>>>>>lawsuit, what about all these other inaccessible web sites and
>>>>products?
>>>>>
>>>>>What about Apple?  Their iTunes software, iTunes store, iPod, and
>>>>>iPhone all have access problems.
>>>>>
>>>>>Who is pushing apple?  Do we have a law suit underway?
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>>Fred
>>>>>VP Beach Cities Chapter NFBC
>>>>>
>>>>>
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