[Nfbc-info] Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 108, Issue 22
Dennis Russak via Nfbc-info
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Sun May 25 20:21:06 UTC 2014
Hello again, NFBC.,
I picked up everybody's response just now and am responding immediately.
I was glad to just get Jim's response to my observation about theft. No, I sure don't feel shot down at all, and I'm glad to be able to finally participate in these conversations. Jim, you are right. Credit cards do not have pictures on them. We do not have our smart cards up and running yet here in Sacramento, but we probably will toward either the middle or end of the summer.
Currently, we do have to pay only $3 for our photo ID's from Regional transit. Each month we go down to the sales office and get a sticker affixed to the card, which serves as a monthly pass. I don't think we have to go through some of the hoops you guys have to go through, but I don't remember what I had to do. Again, good luck down there. Dennis Russak
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> 1. The Compass Cards of San Diego's Public Transportation
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> 2. Re: The Compass Cards of San Diego's Public Transportation
> (Lisa Irving via Nfbc-info)
> 3. Re: The Compass Cards of San Diego's PublicTransportation
> (Rob Kaiser via Nfbc-info)
> 4. Re: The Compass Cards of San Diego's Public Transportation
> (Jim Barbour via Nfbc-info)
> 5. Re: The Compass Cards of San Diego's Public Transportation
> (Lisa Irving via Nfbc-info)
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> Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 11:27:15 com0700
> From: Dennis Russak via Nfbc-info <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> To: nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Nfbc-info] The Compass Cards of San Diego's Public
> Transportation
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> Good morning NFBC.,
>
> I'd like to comment on the problems being discussed by our good friends down in the San Diego area regarding photographs on their subsidized transit cards.
>
> I understand, Lisa, your feelings on this matter. I tend to agree with Jim Barber, though, not only for the reasons he has stated, but for another reason none of you may have thought of, and that is the problem of outright theft. If someone lifts your card from you, they cannot use it because your picture is on the card, entitling only you to use it. Further, in order to prevent theft _all such cards (both full-fare and subsidized) should have one's photograph on it, which should prevent the singling out of any class of people altogether. I'm the representative from our River City chapter on the Mobility Advisory Council for Regional Transit which serves Sacramento County. I'd like to hear what everyone thinks.
>
> Good luck in solving the problems down there, and we're behind you guys all the way.
> Dennis Russak
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 16:11:41 com0700
> From: Lisa Irving via Nfbc-info <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> To: "'Ationfb of California List'" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] The Compass Cards of San Diego's Public
> Transportation
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> Hi Dennis and all others,
>
>
> Yes Dennis, I agree that everyone needs to have his or her photo on their
> bus pass card. I did go to the transit store and attempted to pay for the
> required photograph. However, the letter from my eye doctor would not
> suffice. In San Diego, one must show a letter from Social Security or a
> Medicare card, or have "/her doctor complete MTS paperwork. I learned the
> subsidized cards are not based on income. The discount is based on what's
> called "graded disabilities". The representative asked me why I didn't have
> my Medicare card with me. Well, I don't carry my social security number with
> me. How does your city handle subsidized cards?
>
> Lisa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dennis
> Russak via Nfbc-info
> Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 11:27 AM
> To: nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Nfbc-info] The Compass Cards of San Diego's Public Transportation
>
> Good morning NFBC.,
>
> I'd like to comment on the problems being discussed by our good friends
> down in the San Diego area regarding photographs on their subsidized transit
> cards.
>
> I understand, Lisa, your feelings on this matter. I tend to agree with Jim
> Barber, though, not only for the reasons he has stated, but for another
> reason none of you may have thought of, and that is the problem of outright
> theft. If someone lifts your card from you, they cannot use it because your
> picture is on the card, entitling only you to use it. Further, in order to
> prevent theft _all such cards (both full-fare and subsidized) should have
> one's photograph on it, which should prevent the singling out of any class
> of people altogether. I'm the representative from our River City chapter on
> the Mobility Advisory Council for Regional Transit which serves Sacramento
> County. I'd like to hear what everyone thinks.
>
> Good luck in solving the problems down there, and we're behind you guys
> all the way.
> Dennis Russak
>
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> Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 16:23:38 com0700
> From: Rob Kaiser via Nfbc-info <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> To: "'Ationfb of California List'" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] The Compass Cards of San Diego's
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> In Orange County, I believe all we need is info from the doctor. When
> applications are filled out for Access (our Pera Transit company) we fill
> out the application and get a note from a coctor.
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lisa Irving via Nfbc-info
> Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 4:11 PM
> To: 'Ationfb of California List'
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] The Compass Cards of San Diego's
> PublicTransportation
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> Hi Dennis and all others,
>
>
> Yes Dennis, I agree that everyone needs to have his or her photo on their
> bus pass card. I did go to the transit store and attempted to pay for the
> required photograph. However, the letter from my eye doctor would not
> suffice. In San Diego, one must show a letter from Social Security or a
> Medicare card, or have "/her doctor complete MTS paperwork. I learned the
> subsidized cards are not based on income. The discount is based on what's
> called "graded disabilities". The representative asked me why I didn't have
> my Medicare card with me. Well, I don't carry my social security number with
> me. How does your city handle subsidized cards?
>
> Lisa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dennis
> Russak via Nfbc-info
> Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 11:27 AM
> To: nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Nfbc-info] The Compass Cards of San Diego's Public Transportation
>
> Good morning NFBC.,
>
> I'd like to comment on the problems being discussed by our good friends
> down in the San Diego area regarding photographs on their subsidized transit
> cards.
>
> I understand, Lisa, your feelings on this matter. I tend to agree with Jim
> Barber, though, not only for the reasons he has stated, but for another
> reason none of you may have thought of, and that is the problem of outright
> theft. If someone lifts your card from you, they cannot use it because your
> picture is on the card, entitling only you to use it. Further, in order to
> prevent theft _all such cards (both full-fare and subsidized) should have
> one's photograph on it, which should prevent the singling out of any class
> of people altogether. I'm the representative from our River City chapter on
> the Mobility Advisory Council for Regional Transit which serves Sacramento
> County. I'd like to hear what everyone thinks.
>
> Good luck in solving the problems down there, and we're behind you guys
> all the way.
> Dennis Russak
>
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> Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 00:16:16 com0700
> From: Jim Barbour via Nfbc-info <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> To: Dennis Russak via Nfbc-info <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] The Compass Cards of San Diego's Public
> Transportation
> Message-ID: <20140525071615.GF4748 at barcore.com>
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> Hey Dennis and Everyone,
>
> In the bay area, we have what's called the clipper card, which provides all transit riders prepaid access to Bart, Caltrain, Muni, and various bus systems.
>
> One thing that's really nice about the unsubsidized clipper cards is that you can just order them online, or pick one up at a Walgreens store and load cash onto it.
>
> I don't know if photographs are required for subsidized clipper cards. I do know that the process for getting one is more onerous since you must prove your disability in person.
>
> If everyone needed to have a photo taken to be placed on their clipper cards, this would dramatically slow adoption since each rider would need to go somewhere where they can get a photo taken.
>
> I've also used other cards, such as the oyster card in London, which don't require photos for much the same reasons.
>
> Theft is no more likely for a transit card than for a credit card, which also mostly don't have photos.
>
> Sorry to shoot this down, but I'm not a fan.
>
> Take Care,
>
> Jim
>
> On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 11:27:15AM com0700, Dennis Russak via Nfbc-info wrote:
> > Good morning NFBC.,
> >
> > I'd like to comment on the problems being discussed by our good friends down in the San Diego area regarding photographs on their subsidized transit cards.
> >
> > I understand, Lisa, your feelings on this matter. I tend to agree with Jim Barber, though, not only for the reasons he has stated, but for another reason none of you may have thought of, and that is the problem of outright theft. If someone lifts your card from you, they cannot use it because your picture is on the card, entitling only you to use it. Further, in order to prevent theft _all such cards (both full-fare and subsidized) should have one's photograph on it, which should prevent the singling out of any class of people altogether. I'm the representative from our River City chapter on the Mobility Advisory Council for Regional Transit which serves Sacramento County. I'd like to hear what everyone thinks.
> >
> > Good luck in solving the problems down there, and we're behind you guys all the way.
> > Dennis Russak
> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 02:49:31 com0700
> From: Lisa Irving via Nfbc-info <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> To: "'Ationfb of California List'" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] The Compass Cards of San Diego's Public
> Transportation
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> Jim, I respectfully disagree with you, my friend. More and more credit cards
> are offering the option to include a photo I.D. This is to prevent
> fraudulent use of the card. For example, Wells Fargo VISA has this as an
> option.
>
> Please feel free to drop into any of our chapter meetings. Email me off line
> for more info.
>
> Lisa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim
> Barbour via Nfbc-info
> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 12:16 AM
> To: Dennis Russak via Nfbc-info
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] The Compass Cards of San Diego's Public
> Transportation
>
> Hey Dennis and Everyone,
>
> In the bay area, we have what's called the clipper card, which provides all
> transit riders prepaid access to Bart, Caltrain, Muni, and various bus
> systems.
>
> One thing that's really nice about the unsubsidized clipper cards is that
> you can just order them online, or pick one up at a Walgreens store and load
> cash onto it.
>
> I don't know if photographs are required for subsidized clipper cards. I do
> know that the process for getting one is more onerous since you must prove
> your disability in person.
>
> If everyone needed to have a photo taken to be placed on their clipper
> cards, this would dramatically slow adoption since each rider would need to
> go somewhere where they can get a photo taken.
>
> I've also used other cards, such as the oyster card in London, which don't
> require photos for much the same reasons.
>
> Theft is no more likely for a transit card than for a credit card, which
> also mostly don't have photos.
>
> Sorry to shoot this down, but I'm not a fan.
>
> Take Care,
>
> Jim
>
> On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 11:27:15AM com0700, Dennis Russak via Nfbc-info wrote:
> > Good morning NFBC.,
> >
> > I'd like to comment on the problems being discussed by our good friends
> down in the San Diego area regarding photographs on their subsidized transit
> cards.
> >
> > I understand, Lisa, your feelings on this matter. I tend to agree with
> Jim Barber, though, not only for the reasons he has stated, but for another
> reason none of you may have thought of, and that is the problem of outright
> theft. If someone lifts your card from you, they cannot use it because your
> picture is on the card, entitling only you to use it. Further, in order to
> prevent theft _all such cards (both full-fare and subsidized) should have
> one's photograph on it, which should prevent the singling out of any class
> of people altogether. I'm the representative from our River City chapter on
> the Mobility Advisory Council for Regional Transit which serves Sacramento
> County. I'd like to hear what everyone thinks.
> >
> > Good luck in solving the problems down there, and we're behind you guys
> all the way.
> > Dennis Russak
> >
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