[nfbcs] Voiceover with Word

Tracy Carcione carcione at access.net
Fri Dec 28 15:26:40 UTC 2012 

Thanks for all the info, everyone.
It seems you are saying that a Mac user using Pages and a Windows user using 
Word can share the same doc seamlessly.  Is that correct?
Thanks.
Tracy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gabe Vega" <theblindtech at gmail.com>
To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Voiceover with Word


> yes, documents created in word or pages and and/or reversed keep their 
> visual integrity. another freebee. :-)
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> On Dec 27, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Jim Barbour <jbar at barcore.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey Everyone,
>>
>> Tracy, I hope we have answered your question, which is that you should be 
>> able to do what you want but using something other than MS word for OSX.
>>
>> The rest of this email is aimed mostly a Gabe, but I'm posting it 
>> publicly.
>>
>> Gabe, I'm taking slight offense at your post, given that it was my post 
>> you replied to. You imply, but don't actually call out, that my guesswork 
>> was misleading.  I do admit to not researching everything I wrote here, 
>> which I made clear with phrases like "I think". However, I don't think 
>> you and I actually disagree about anything here, so I'm not sure what 
>> information I gave out you feel was misleading.
>>
>> Stripping away the implications about misleading guesswork, what I see 
>> is...
>>
>> * There are non-word programs that support reading and editing doc and 
>> docx files.
>>
>>  Yep, we agree about that.  As I said, Tracy's sister can write documents 
>> in word and Tracy can read them using one of the OSX word processors.
>>
>> * Pages and word have feature parity.
>>
>>  I'll take your word for this.
>>
>> And then, there was my other question.
>>
>> Can Pages, or other non MS-word word processors, modify documents 
>> originally created in MS word without the MS word user noticing unwanted 
>> visual formatting changes?
>>
>> This is the one I'm really not sure about, and the one that you didn't 
>> comment on.
>>
>> Thanks Everyone,
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 10:02:23AM -0700, Gabe Vega wrote:
>>> I write this, only so that you will get professional expert advice with 
>>> out all the guessing that has been going on here. I would hate for you 
>>> to be lead down the wrong path.
>>>
>>> 1. mac os and most if not all apps on it support the Doc and the Docx 
>>> files. Doc is used commonly but the new word format Docx is coming in to 
>>> the mainstream and Mac OS supports them both for reading and writing and 
>>> editing. you can use apps like Text Edit which is simular in 
>>> functionality as Wordpad, Itext Express which is a free powerful 
>>> wordprecessor simular to word. or Pages with is $15.00 which has most if 
>>> not better features than word. and all these support read and write word 
>>> files.
>>>
>>> 2. not all apps support the advanced formatting that word does, such as 
>>> foot notes, tracking of edits ETC only an app called Pages does and runs 
>>> about $15.
>>>
>>> if you have any more questions, my company provides support to 
>>> individuals and VR Case Clients as well as companies. visit our website 
>>> for more information
>>> http://commtechusa.net
>>> or feel free to give us a call at (623) 565-9357.
>>> Gabe Vega
>>> CEO
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>>> On Dec 27, 2012, at 8:35 AM, Jim Barbour <jbar at barcore.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Howdy,
>>>>
>>>> I think the more interesting question is can the word processors on the 
>>>> Mac read docx files produced in microsoft word.  I think they can, 
>>>> which means that tracy's sister can still write documents in word and 
>>>> tracy can read them using something like textedit.
>>>>
>>>> I think the real problem with MS word and OSX is when a non-microsoft 
>>>> program modifies and resaves docx files, little things get changed such 
>>>> as default fonts.  This makes it tough to do collaborative work on a 
>>>> document when multiple people are writing the document, one using word 
>>>> and one using something else.  Also, most non-microsoft word processors 
>>>> don't support the track changes feature.
>>>>
>>>> Take Care,
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 09:43:39AM -0500, Ryan Mann wrote:
>>>>> If she writes a document in TextEdit, she will be able to send it to 
>>>>> people using Windows and they will be able to edit it in Word. 
>>>>> TextEdit saves documents in Ritch Text format which is a format that 
>>>>> both Word and TextEdit can work with.
>>>>> Ryan
>>>>> follow me on Twitter @progressivecat.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 27, 2012, at 8:46 AM, "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, that's very helpful.
>>>>>> My sister wants to share her docs with a variety of people, so she 
>>>>>> has been using Word.  Do the other doc types supported by VO work for 
>>>>>> people using Windows, for instance?  If she wrote a doc in Text Edit 
>>>>>> and sent it to me, who uses Windows, would I be able to easily read 
>>>>>> it, possibly edit it, and send it back to her?
>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Mann" <rmann0581 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Cc: <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 3:25 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Voiceover with Word
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Microsoft Office is not accessible with VoiceOver on the Mac.  There 
>>>>>>> are other alternative word processors such as Nisus Writer or 
>>>>>>> TextEdit which comes with the Mac.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Dec 26, 2012, at 3:06 PM, "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My sister is trying to use Voiceover with her Mac and Word 2011 for 
>>>>>>>> OSX.
>>>>>>>> It is on, and announces the open doc, but it doesn't echo typing or 
>>>>>>>> read
>>>>>>>> any of the actual document.
>>>>>>>> Does VO work with Word?  Is there a way to make it read the doc?
>>>>>>>> We looked at VO Help, but it doesn't discuss Word at all, that we 
>>>>>>>> saw.
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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