[nfbcs] Tabbing to Disabled Web Controls

[Jude DaShiell]

On Thu, 4 Apr 2013, Nicole Torcolini wrote:

> JMHO, it is not over kill when it is easy to implement and if it makes a
> difference in user satisfaction, especially when you are working with a code
> library for making web controls that has a basic function for disabling
> controls that changes the ARIA hidden attribute and the tabIndex but that is
> perfectly capable of altering the default behavior based on something that
> is easily discernable, such as ARIA role.
> 
> Nicole
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
> Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 11:03 AM
> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Tabbing to Disabled Web Controls
> 
> At some point, we have to figure out when we're over-managing.  Does it
> really matter that much if one approach is much more work than another?
> There are so many roadblocks to accessibility, that it seems like overkill
> to me to define accessibility at this level when either approach is
> workable.  This assumes, of course, that disabled controls that are grayed
> out or whatever are identified by the screen reader.  
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Steve Jacobson
> 
> On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 17:48:21 -0700, Mike Freeman wrote:
> 
> >I agree with David andrews; if you can't activate controls, there's no 
> >reason to be able to tab to them.
> 
> >Mike
> 
> 
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim Barbour
> >Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 5:41 PM
> >To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
> >Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Tabbing to Disabled Web Controls
> 
> >Hmmm, I think I'm in the other camp.  I definately think they should be 
> >read as "dimmed", but if users are tabbing around they might want to 
> >know that there is a submit button there, but that you can't activiate it
> yet.
> 
> >Jim
> 
> >On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 07:36:47PM -0500, David Andrews wrote:
> >> No, they should just show up as dimmed, and since you can't do 
> >> anything with them you probably shouldn't be able to tab to them.
> >> 
> >> Dave
> >> 
> >> At 09:04 PM 3/31/2013, you wrote:
> >> >The other day, at work, some of us who work on or are interested in 
> >> >web accessibility were discussing whether or not it should be 
> >> >possible to tab to a web control, such as a button or a checkbox, 
> >> >that is disabled. The two scenarios that we discussed are:
> >> >1. There is a web form that has text fields that must be filled in 
> >> >with certain types of information, and the submit button is disabled 
> >> >until the requirements are met.
> >> >2. There is a form with radio buttons. Depending on which radio 
> >> >buttons are checked, certain checkboxes are enabled or disabled.
> >> >I am curious to know what people think of this. Should it be 
> >> >possible to tab to the disabled submit button in the first scenario? 
> >> >The disabled checkboxes in the second scenario? Should there be a 
> >> >standard for different control types--such as button vs. checkbox, 
> >> >or is this something that really should be decided on a case by case
> basis?
> >> >
> >> >Nicole
> >> 
> >> 
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Better to always be able to tab to controls whether or not you can do 
anythithing with them or not because that way the web page presents a 
consistent geography for navigation and not a geography that changes as 
conditions change on a form.

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