[nfbcs] web browser problem?

Fri Apr 19 17:09:58 UTC 2013

		Tracy,

It is kind of hard to know if what you are seeing is unusual.  However, if you are running Internet Explorer, there is a version 
that causes it to run without any add-ins.  Trying that version to see if the results change would be worth while.  In windows 7, 
you can go to the start menu search box and type in internet expl and you should beable to press DOWN ARROW and find the "Internet 
Explorer No Add-ins" option.  If that changes what you get, then it is possible that you have an add-in or plug-in that is making 
some kind of decision for you and you'll have to look at your add-ins and disable them until you find the offending one.  Toolbars 
are usually the most suspicious.  You could also check to be sure that something didn't change your proxy settings in Internet 
Explorer.  That is one trick that malware sometimes uses, and it may not always be detected.  Also, did you download the SendSpace 
thing that gives you faster free downloads?  If so, that could be causing a problem because it has the ability to display ads.

I say it is hard to know if what you are seeing is a problem because there is so much variability in web pages now.  Some Google 
ads will look like the search results that you want, so you need to be sure you have pressed the key to jump to headings until you 
get to search results.  There is also no guarantee that a search result won't point to a page that is displaying an ad.  In 
general, There are often ads before and after search results.  Also, it is not uncomon for a web page to make certain keywords 
links to jump to other relevant or not-so-relevant pages.  

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 11:54:53 -0400, Tracy Carcione wrote:

>Mike, are you saying you see links in the descriptions of TV listings?  I 
>wondered if it was the craze for putting ads everywhere, or just my problem.

>I don't think my Google problem is random ads, because I point to the link I 
>want before entering, and I've tried insert-escape or insert-tab to be sure 
>Jaws is seeing what it's saying. Unless Google is randomly taking over.
>Tracy

>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 11:35 AM
>Subject: Re: [nfbcs] web browser problem?

>> tracy:
>> These links are not a problem. It is current fashion to make a link be 
>> only part of a sentence. Contrary to current thinking, it is the sighted, 
>> not the blind, who have problems with object permanence. They can't 
>> remember where their backarrow or scroll keys are. Thus, they usually want 
>> to sea links both at top and bottom of page. The paradigm of one link 
>> equals one line is far in the cyberpast.
>> As for your Google problem. I suspect the page is drawn differently and 
>> dynamically each time you do a search. Until the Internet goes back to 
>> having NSF run the backbone, which, I suspect will be never, we are stuck 
>> with randomly-placed ads and their whole reason for being is *not* to be 
>> easily ignored which they could be were their page placement predictable.
>> Ah, free enterprise!
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>>
>>
>> On Apr 19, 2013, at 7:30, "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not sure if this is a problem or not, or what to do about it.  I have 
>>> been having a problem with Google, where, the first time I get results 
>>> and choose a link, I get a bunch of ads instead of what I want.  The 
>>> second time I try, I get the link I want.  This is despite using various 
>>> ways to be sure I'm actually on the link I think I am, recommended by 
>>> this list before.  I think it is something called "click&jump".  Anyway, 
>>> I disabled 3rd party cookies, and installed Spybot Search & Destroy, 
>>> which hunted out a number of minor threats. The problem persists, but not 
>>> as bad.
>>> My question is this:
>>> When I go to a website, I see a lot of what seem to me to be extra links, 
>>> which I bet would go to ads, if I clicked on them.
>>> For example, on NFB Newsline Online, at the bottom, there is a bit that 
>>> says "contact by phone:" and the number.  For me, "phone" is a separate 
>>> link. This doesn't seem right, and it makes reading pages kind of a pain, 
>>> since there are a lot of lines with these odd links.
>>> Another example is, if I'm reading the TV listings on Newsline, and, say, 
>>> the show description says "the team investigates an insurance salesman 
>>> who may be a serial killer", "insurance" will be a link.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know what I'm talking about, and if it's a problem, and, if 
>>> so, what to do about it?
>>> Thanks.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
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